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Hats off to Jeff for staying loyal to his current sponsors and trying to make it as a privateer. I hope that sponsors see his determination and loyalty and take note at contract time.
I spoke out of school in my previous reply (back on page 4)
Jeff Alessi IS NOT working with Fred Bramblett, my apologies to Fred and OMS.
Jeff is working with someone named Allison Turner, who is mentioned in the Press Release. I just need to read stuff and everything will be OK.
Sorry.
Ketchum
Sounds a little weird.
Now take that 320,000, change it into euro, which would be I guess around 190,000euro and he is making similar to a top ten guy in the GPs.
He isn't doing too bad for a privateer.
Geoff
Was Yamaha336 a pro rider or not? Can anyone vouch for this clown?
I have never met Jeff Alessi. Or Tony or Mike.
But I have followed their racing careers for the last few years and am a 100% fan.
I agree with all of you that it is a shame that any rider that has put in the hard work and dedication Jeff has, should not be making BIG money. But MX is not baseball or one of the traditional sports, so there is not BIG money in the sport.
I do not know what pro racer's make. Have no idea. But I am sure it is much less than all us fans on sideline think. I do not know of any ex-racer retiring to their mansions and living the life of luxury after their careers.
So, like most things we know nothing about...We just make it up and figure they are rich. All athletes are rich. And every person who owns his own business is rich. It is an popular misconception.
But I really have NO IDEA what the finances of the Alessi's are, and unless you are their accountant or banker, you probably don't either... So lets drop that line of thinking...
I am an Alessi fan. They provide me with immeasurable excitement and entertainment following their careers and rooting for them.
Can I put a value on what that is worth to me? No.
But it is worth more to me than the price of a movie ticket to watch somebody, who is probably everything I do not want my grandchildren to be, play act a role to entertain me. It is worth more than 2 packs of cigarettes. More than a case of Pepsi...
So to be able to create a site that gives me and other people, who think like me, an opportunity to show some support and try to give back, I thought would be met with open arms.
I am not bucks up.. The most I could donate to help Jeff or anyone else is like $10 (yep yep.. My cheap ass $10 was the first donation). Not enough for the cost of gas for Jeff's race bike for one weekend.
So alone, my contribution is weak and insignificant.
But I thought if I created a site that let other people like me, help however they can, it would benefit Jeff and just as important, give us the satisfaction of feeling like we made a difference.
So it is not just about Jeff. It is about self satisfaction. I am in my 50's and still remember the highlight of my first race in 1970 was not my results... But getting to "help" Tim Hart by putting a rock behind his Montessa's tire while he waited on the uphill start line at the old Saddleback. That memory is PRICELESS.
So the site is about helping Jeff but it really is so much more.
Not sure if this clears any of this up. The Alessi's like all successful people have their haters and nothing I can do will change that.
But please know Jeff had nothing to do with the site. I don't even think he has seen it.
I read the Alessi newsletter saying Jeff was without a ride, I started working on the site as a fan site. I wrote Tony to tell him what I was doing and asked if it would be OK if I put paypal buttons on the site. He wrote back and said it was OK with him and Jeff. Did Jeff really give his blessing? I don't know if he really understood what I was doing. Hopefully when he gets back from NY, he will be surprised by all the support and love he has got and not focus on the couple people who have no idea what they are talking about and just want to hate.
And to the people who do feel negative about the Fan Supported Team concept, you do not have to check the site out or donate anything.
And if they really feel that passionately about it, rather than spending the time to trying to bash Jeff (who had nothing, NOTHING to do with me making the site) They should use that time and energy supporting their favorite rider, contacting people in the industry to tell them to pay the stars of our sport decent wages or some other way that is productive and useful.
And one last thing, All professional athletes careers are paid by the fans.The traditional method is: Company hires a rider and pays for the races. But they get that money by getting us fans to use their product. So they pay the rider to advertise for them, we buy the product and they give pennies of what we gave them to the athlete. I am just trying to cut out the middle man and put all the money in the racers hand instead of a small portion of the sponsors profits.
Or to put it in street terms... I am cutting out the pimp.. for as in all professional sports, the athlete is just meat to grind up and replace when they are no longer useful.
That's it.. Sorry for such a long comment but I wanted everyone to understand my reason for the site and to get off Jeff's back.
And like I have put on the web site, if someone really thinks they have made the sacrifices and put in the hard work Jeff has and they want to try to create a similar site, drop me a line and I will do what I can to help.
Thanks to all the people who have supported Jeff or the site... And to the couple haters.. Thanks too. It takes both sides to have a meaningful debate or discussion. I think you are wrong on this one but I do appreciate you sharing your views.
Darrell Sutherland
staff@TEAM801.com
even if it was 4,000 a week it would only amount to $48,000 tops
If he isn't making enough in sponsorship money to race..well then dude needs new sponsors.
Nice that you like him and want to support him, but this is just the wrong way.
Contrary to what you believe, there is money in mx. Guys like Hansen and J-Law are driving around in over $100,000.00 cars. There is money, and why should Jeff be any different than any other rider out there? Fans are just supposed to give him money because he races? At least the Blair brothers a couple of years ago sold t-shirts to help with their racing.
Seriously, I like Jeff a lot, but your making him look bad. Wasn't it reported, Tony bought some bikes or something and Jeff already has enough money to finish out the series?
I've met Jeff a bunch of times and he is always super cool. He took some pics with my daughter and made her year. I will always hope he does well, but asking for donations? Thats's a bit much.
Oh and he does have a factory backed brother, factory riders do make some bank.
When was the last time Tony had to work a real job?
I don't know how much money any of the Alessi's have in thier bank account, but I'm guessing it's alot more than I have.
Pit Row
And all this Jeff support money will go exactly where Mike's excess cash went...into the breast enhancement of his girlfriend.
You read the entire response this guy puts up explaining his website, and all you can do is spout something about Reed's earnings last year? WTF??
And as for Geoff....dude, surely you're smarter than to think that these guys are racing 52 weeks a year???
MR
Why so many people would be so butt hurt over someone starting a site to support someone else is beyond me.
I have explained my thinking, both in my first post and on the web site.
Do the ppeople like Yamaha336 bother to read stuff and actually try to understand it.. Or like a lot of people just wantr to spout hate without making the effort to really educate themselves of over constructive advise rather than unsubstansiated critisizim.
I personally am the kind of person, who if I do not understand a word or something.. I look it up. Then I can make an informed decision.. Even if I am wrong at least I am not ignorant.
OK, so I went online to see what a professional motocross riders earns.
It was on Motocross Action.
You could have did it too.
I have posted it below.
Here is the link to the actual site so you don't think I spent the day working with Tony to write the story. LOL http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=news&mod…
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HOW PROFESSIONAL IS AMA PROFESSIONAL MOTOCROSS? WOULD YOU LIKE FRIES WITH THAT TENTH PLACE FINISH?
(2/12/06)
(2/12/2006)
Imagine that you dedicated your life to motocross, skipped college and delayed starting a family to make it as a pro racer. And finally, after years of paying your dues, you have made it to the Big Show? By giving it everything you had, you became the 20th fastest rider in the world in both Supercross and motocross. Congrats! That is an accomplishment that millions of motocrossers would be proud to put on their resumes. When you sit down to fill out your resume for next year, under “Achievements,” you write “Top 20 professional motorcycle racer” “and under “Yearly Income,” you write...what do you write?
ARE YOU TOP 20?
The MXA wrecking crew decided to find out how much money the 20th fastest racer in the world would make. Finishing 20th at an AMA 250 Supercross nets $1460, while finishing 20th at an AMA National gets you $255 a moto (or $510 combined). What does it add up to? If you finished in 20th place at every race, your share of the AMA’s 2005 purse pay out would be $29,480. You read that right! The 20th fastest racer in the world would make just under $30,000 dollars a year in purse money. And he’s living the high life when compared to a 20th place 125 Supercross and 125 National rider. A 125 shoe only pockets $11,240 a year (before taxes).
It’s true, but sad. A pimply-faced kid, serving Big Macs and working part-time makes more money than a top 20 AMA pro (and he doesn't have to clear triples, skim whoops or make it through the first turn alive).
ARE YOU TOP TEN?
We know what you're thinking, 20th place riders don’t deserve to make a lot of money--they are barely making the show. Fair enough, but it should be noted that a NASCAR tire carrier makes $100,000 a year (and he is only carrying the tires, not changing them). Let’s aim higher up the pecking order and say that you rode hard and managed to finish tenth at every 250 Supercross and National in 2005. How much would you make? Believe it or not, moving up ten places only nets you an additional $6920. That's right, the tenth fastest guy only makes $36,400 a year. Not bad if you are in the mail room at a corporation, but after taxes a tenth place AMA professional motorcycle racer will put less that $26,000 in the bank. How does the tenth best 125 rider fair? His salary is below the federal government’s poverty level at $17,520. That’s how much money you could make if you worked a typical job for eight dollars an hour.
WHAT ABOUT TOP FIVE?
It's time to break into the top five. Imagine that you are the fifth fastest 250 guy on the planet. Your share of the purse would be $48,000. That is a little less than what the last place professional golfer makes at one tournament. If you're the fifth fastest 125 guy, you’ll be making $24,000 a year. Not exactly an impressive wage by any stretch of the imagination.
THE WHOLE SHEBANG AND SHE-BUCKS
Okay, now you've finally won the whole shebang. You've beaten Ricky Carmichael and you're the top dog in the 250 class. So how much money did you win? The king of the hill pulls down $228,000 in purse money. That's is one-sixth of what Tiger Woods made last weekend (and one-half of what Jeff Ward got paid for finishing second at the Indy 500 ten years ago). What about the king of the 125 Class? He pockets about one-third of what the 250 Champion makes--$76,000 a year.
Unless you can finish in the top five (in the 250 class), professional motocross pays about as well as being a gardener and no where near as well as other professional sports. For comparison, the 200th best PGA golfer (Brian Korten) made $159,959 last year--and you never heard of him.
If it wasn't for outside money, in the form of factory salaries, clothing deals, win bonuses and the occasional corporate sponsor the the AMA’s 1000 professional license holders would be on food stamps. That said, Ricky Carmichael made $8,000,000 in 2005--$228,000 of it from winning races.
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