USA - the land of motocross

motoBRD
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Edited Date/Time 6/15/2012 1:44am
Yet, no american made bikes! Cannondale was a bit of a joke but good job, good effort. Not the topic at hand, just a side note.

I've been following a few different mx series worldwide - AMA, the GP's, Canadian nationals, and even a little of Australian mx. Following the AMA series most heavily, I've been most surprised at how many high-caliber foreign racers end up here each year, leaving their home series to contest the best racing in existence. In contrast, I don't think any of our top racers ever end up racing anywhere else, making the USA the land of motocross as we know it.

Now for some numbers - national points scored by foreign racers so far this year 2012:

Brett Metcalfe 291pts - Australia
Ken Roczen 180pts - Germany
Marvin Musquin 176pts - France
Chad Reed 128pts - Australia
Michael Byrne 63pts - Australia
Gareth Swanepoel 61pts - South Africa
Martin Davalos 40pts - Ecuador
Cody Mackie 14pts - Australia
Cole Thompson 10pts - Canada
Matt Moss 7pts - Australia ??
Evgeny Mikhaylov 5pts - Russia
Dean Wilson 0pts - Canada

We could list some big names from the past, but these are current. Who is racing professionally throughout the world that is from the US? Probably not big names is my guess.

For current combined AMA national points, check out the link to the blog below.
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6/12/2012 6:21pm
How did Chad score his points?
6/12/2012 6:23pm
RonSkj wrote:
How did Chad score his points?
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MX_Andrew83
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6/12/2012 6:28pm
RonSkj wrote:
How did Chad score his points?
mxrider225 wrote:
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Then Dean should have some points also.
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6/12/2012 6:31pm
Hell we can't even get an American made truck.. Yes they are assembled in the U.S. but 90% of the parts are not American

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6/12/2012 6:32pm
RonSkj wrote:
How did Chad score his points?
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Ohh, My bad.. I thought he said national points.
motoBRD
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6/12/2012 7:05pm
Sorry I didn't preface the post. Combined AMA national points, as in 450SX, 450 MX, 250 MX.
Derpin' DJ
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6/12/2012 7:13pm
A few American companies are developing Electric bikes at the moment. When racing makes the shift to electric bikes, hopefully these companies are large enough to take on the Japs/KTM
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6/12/2012 7:24pm
I wonder who buys the most iphones? Thanks China for making them! Welcome to the consumerist economy!

I still don't understand this retarded "side point".

Are you saying that if you included the combined AMA points this year from US riders it would be less? I have to guess there's a reason you didn't include them in the standings?
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6/12/2012 7:28pm
Derpin' DJ wrote:
A few American companies are developing Electric bikes at the moment. When racing makes the shift to electric bikes, hopefully these companies are large enough to...
A few American companies are developing Electric bikes at the moment. When racing makes the shift to electric bikes, hopefully these companies are large enough to take on the Japs/KTM
hopefully we will never make the transition
BuDz34
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6/12/2012 7:30pm
Derpin' DJ wrote:
A few American companies are developing Electric bikes at the moment. When racing makes the shift to electric bikes, hopefully these companies are large enough to...
A few American companies are developing Electric bikes at the moment. When racing makes the shift to electric bikes, hopefully these companies are large enough to take on the Japs/KTM
hopefully we will never make the transition
Or if we do its well past my time on this place
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6/13/2012 12:16am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2012 12:16am
Edit: wrong topic.
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6/13/2012 12:25am
motoBRD wrote:
Yet, no american made bikes! Cannondale was a bit of a joke but good job, good effort. Not the topic at hand, just a side note...
Yet, no american made bikes! Cannondale was a bit of a joke but good job, good effort. Not the topic at hand, just a side note.

I've been following a few different mx series worldwide - AMA, the GP's, Canadian nationals, and even a little of Australian mx. Following the AMA series most heavily, I've been most surprised at how many high-caliber foreign racers end up here each year, leaving their home series to contest the best racing in existence. In contrast, I don't think any of our top racers ever end up racing anywhere else, making the USA the land of motocross as we know it.

Now for some numbers - national points scored by foreign racers so far this year 2012:

Brett Metcalfe 291pts - Australia
Ken Roczen 180pts - Germany
Marvin Musquin 176pts - France
Chad Reed 128pts - Australia
Michael Byrne 63pts - Australia
Gareth Swanepoel 61pts - South Africa
Martin Davalos 40pts - Ecuador
Cody Mackie 14pts - Australia
Cole Thompson 10pts - Canada
Matt Moss 7pts - Australia ??
Evgeny Mikhaylov 5pts - Russia
Dean Wilson 0pts - Canada

We could list some big names from the past, but these are current. Who is racing professionally throughout the world that is from the US? Probably not big names is my guess.

For current combined AMA national points, check out the link to the blog below.
Foreign riders come to the States because that's where the money is. I'm sure Cairoli is doing pretty well financially, but if you compared his paycheck to RV's, I'm sure it's night and day.
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6/13/2012 12:33am
no American topriders in the G.P.'s in the past ?!!???
what about :
-Brad Lackey
-Donny Schmit
-Trampas Parker
-Danny Laporte
-Bobby Moore
-Mike Brown
-Zach Osbourne
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6/13/2012 3:52am
Sully wrote:
Foreign riders come to the States because that's where the money is. I'm sure Cairoli is doing pretty well financially, but if you compared his paycheck...
Foreign riders come to the States because that's where the money is. I'm sure Cairoli is doing pretty well financially, but if you compared his paycheck to RV's, I'm sure it's night and day.
I'm pretty sure Tony's doing fine,but the USA is where the big money is,the teams can certainly afford to hire a top rider from the MX2 class each year



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6/13/2012 9:01am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
A few American companies are developing Electric bikes at the moment. When racing makes the shift to electric bikes, hopefully these companies are large enough to...
A few American companies are developing Electric bikes at the moment. When racing makes the shift to electric bikes, hopefully these companies are large enough to take on the Japs/KTM
hopefully we will never make the transition
Fear not. You'll still be able to spend money on exhausts:
http://www.turbospoke.com/

6/13/2012 9:11am
just a thought, perhaps it's not about the money and more that nobody wants to leave the good ol US of A, and lose..........

I wish I could insert a whistle here.

Oh, and fair play to Osbourne, I like his style and find myself rooting for him over many others (including Brits) because he is a damn hard rider in our Nationals.
6/13/2012 9:22am
just a thought, perhaps it's not about the money and more that nobody wants to leave the good ol US of A, and lose.......... I wish...
just a thought, perhaps it's not about the money and more that nobody wants to leave the good ol US of A, and lose..........

I wish I could insert a whistle here.

Oh, and fair play to Osbourne, I like his style and find myself rooting for him over many others (including Brits) because he is a damn hard rider in our Nationals.
Respect for calling them "Nationals" rather than "World Championships"

Intelligence....props.
6/13/2012 9:26am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2012 9:28am
errrrm he rides the Nationals here bud, I never mentioned the GP's. Read slower, interpret faster.

come on, it was just for fun after all. I am dying to see the responses from those that just realised this is a valid point.
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6/13/2012 9:29am
just a thought, perhaps it's not about the money and more that nobody wants to leave the good ol US of A, and lose.......... I wish...
just a thought, perhaps it's not about the money and more that nobody wants to leave the good ol US of A, and lose..........

I wish I could insert a whistle here.

Oh, and fair play to Osbourne, I like his style and find myself rooting for him over many others (including Brits) because he is a damn hard rider in our Nationals.
Money is one factor.

But think about this. If you race in the US, everyone speaks English, Food is all governed one government. Food quality is more consistent between chains of restaurants and grocery stores All states have restaurants and bars that have ice and cold beer. No passports going between states, Food, gas, hotels, flights are cheap, taxes are low,

Another reason, you may disagree with this, but if you have an AMA championship, you know you are the fastest in the world, World champ in GPs means you are top 5 in the AMA.

Our top riders do leave the US to ride in Europe and race YOUR tracks. It is called MXON, and they win year after year. They don't need to leave the comfort of the US to prove anything else. The MXON is to show which country is best, and that would be the US.
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6/13/2012 11:34am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2012 11:35am
Here we go again..... MXON is ONE event. Let's put JS on the top step for this year and be done with the outdoors?

You have the biggest rider pool, the biggest pile of money put into it and the most advanced infrastructure build around it. US is the country that put's the most into the sport aswell. Big suprise they all come here and are able to win 1 event a year huh?

We all know it's thanks to the great Belgian, Roger DeCoster, that US still holds the big ole cup! (yes that last one is for fishing)
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6/13/2012 12:02pm
Why is anyone reponding to this oh so tired shit subject?

Guy B. you asked for better quality posts. How about some action here?
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6/13/2012 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2012 12:42pm
just a thought, perhaps it's not about the money and more that nobody wants to leave the good ol US of A, and lose.......... I wish...
just a thought, perhaps it's not about the money and more that nobody wants to leave the good ol US of A, and lose..........

I wish I could insert a whistle here.

Oh, and fair play to Osbourne, I like his style and find myself rooting for him over many others (including Brits) because he is a damn hard rider in our Nationals.
Money is one factor. But think about this. If you race in the US, everyone speaks English, Food is all governed one government. Food quality is...
Money is one factor.

But think about this. If you race in the US, everyone speaks English, Food is all governed one government. Food quality is more consistent between chains of restaurants and grocery stores All states have restaurants and bars that have ice and cold beer. No passports going between states, Food, gas, hotels, flights are cheap, taxes are low,

Another reason, you may disagree with this, but if you have an AMA championship, you know you are the fastest in the world, World champ in GPs means you are top 5 in the AMA.

Our top riders do leave the US to ride in Europe and race YOUR tracks. It is called MXON, and they win year after year. They don't need to leave the comfort of the US to prove anything else. The MXON is to show which country is best, and that would be the US.
Yes Money:

And you've just given all those reasons as to why it should be much easier for current top American riders to win their own series against foreign import riders Whistling

Yes Money:

And you've just given all those reasons as to why it could be much harder for current top American riders to leave their own series and win a GP series while being a foreign import rider Whistling

The former sounds plausable and logic to some I'm sure,maybe not to yourself as the mindset doesn't expand to it being even a possibiliy

The latter hasn't happened and may not happen,unless it does it's very difficult to predict,in fact it's actually,technically impossible to do so,

just some open minded thinking,I'm sure some can may see Smile
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6/13/2012 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2012 12:44pm
All states have restaurants and bars that have ice and cold beer.

We have Ice and cold beer in Europe Laughing Wink
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6/13/2012 12:57pm
PaleBlue wrote:
Why is anyone reponding to this oh so tired shit subject?

Guy B. you asked for better quality posts. How about some action here?
Could not agree more.. same old drivel. Seems to be entering every thread these days. Makes this place look like a joke sometimes. And its just a select few, there are some real cool people in here that like to talk moto and probably a lot more who would love to talk moto but dont bother because of all the tedious crap that goes on.. and on
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6/13/2012 1:21pm
Money is one factor. But think about this. If you race in the US, everyone speaks English, Food is all governed one government. Food quality is...
Money is one factor.

But think about this. If you race in the US, everyone speaks English, Food is all governed one government. Food quality is more consistent between chains of restaurants and grocery stores All states have restaurants and bars that have ice and cold beer. No passports going between states, Food, gas, hotels, flights are cheap, taxes are low,

Another reason, you may disagree with this, but if you have an AMA championship, you know you are the fastest in the world, World champ in GPs means you are top 5 in the AMA.

Our top riders do leave the US to ride in Europe and race YOUR tracks. It is called MXON, and they win year after year. They don't need to leave the comfort of the US to prove anything else. The MXON is to show which country is best, and that would be the US.
Hmmm...not travelled much outside the US, have you?
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6/13/2012 1:22pm
Barrett57 wrote:
All states have restaurants and bars that have ice and cold beer.

We have Ice and cold beer in Europe Laughing Wink
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6/13/2012 1:37pm
PaleBlue wrote:
Why is anyone reponding to this oh so tired shit subject?

Guy B. you asked for better quality posts. How about some action here?
CBird81 wrote:
Could not agree more.. same old drivel. Seems to be entering every thread these days. Makes this place look like a joke sometimes. And its just...
Could not agree more.. same old drivel. Seems to be entering every thread these days. Makes this place look like a joke sometimes. And its just a select few, there are some real cool people in here that like to talk moto and probably a lot more who would love to talk moto but dont bother because of all the tedious crap that goes on.. and on
I agree. The chest pounding usa vs gp posts should be clipped on the spot or it will never end. Both series are great and have great talent. Not to hard to enjoy both. Both equal in my book.
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6/13/2012 5:42pm
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I agree. The chest pounding usa vs gp posts should be clipped on the spot or it will never end. Both series are great and have...
I agree. The chest pounding usa vs gp posts should be clipped on the spot or it will never end. Both series are great and have great talent. Not to hard to enjoy both. Both equal in my book.
+1000
MX fans should never forget or lose respect for the place where the sport originated.
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6/13/2012 6:26pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2012 6:30pm
If it wasn't for Roger DeCoster and Sylvain Geboers you guys never knew what real motocross was! We stupid Europeans learned you guys how to ride a dirtbike! Biggest mistake in motocross history!

carlosmacho proved how smart he is with his story about food, beer and other stuff like passports! Damn!
If you never been outside the US then you have nothing to compare with... Have you ever been to Spain, France, Italy, ...
Al those countries have very good food! America is know about there fried food!
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6/13/2012 8:09pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2012 8:11pm
MXMattii wrote:
If it wasn't for Roger DeCoster and Sylvain Geboers you guys never knew what real motocross was! We stupid Europeans learned you guys how to ride...
If it wasn't for Roger DeCoster and Sylvain Geboers you guys never knew what real motocross was! We stupid Europeans learned you guys how to ride a dirtbike! Biggest mistake in motocross history!

carlosmacho proved how smart he is with his story about food, beer and other stuff like passports! Damn!
If you never been outside the US then you have nothing to compare with... Have you ever been to Spain, France, Italy, ...
Al those countries have very good food! America is know about there fried food!
Lol, biggest mistake? I think you're taking it a bit too far. Everyone should respect each series as they are both equally talented.

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