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mauidex 6/10/2012 3:13pm
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IMO Mike will get help, ala Reed, when he has his "own" program and results, which are starting to get there and warrant it......MC "team" has been way too outspoken on their program..............hopefully he has a continued strong run the rest of the year and everyone looks at him a little different going into 2013............."he" for sure deserves it..........dad not so much........for me
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Park Boys wrote:
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of...
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
cheers_22 wrote:
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority...
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority of the wins.


Dungey didn't miss a race and really didn't have many "bad" crashes.
As far as consistency he's always going to be there so that's why he's a champ
chrisbuehler wrote:
Who won more nationals last year RV or Dungey? Dungey straight walked away at Thunder Valley, shougal, and Millvile when their starts were equal. RV won...
Who won more nationals last year RV or Dungey? Dungey straight walked away at Thunder Valley, shougal, and Millvile when their starts were equal. RV won when Dungey got a bad start, most times. JMO. We know who won the title and that's all that matters
pretty sure it is still rd5 and rv1? Am I wrong? rd5 bandwagon is insane.

and to the dude who asks if i watched supercross..watched the early ones when reed and rv1 dominated then some later ones when rv1 dominated... i think supercross is boring after a while..especially when reed got hurt and rv was on cruise control..dunge was no threat
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my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day they...
my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day
they both are riding with great desire and lesser equipment


a good attitude and heart will overcome equipment 99% of the time....


Tony , mikes father has more heart and desire than his kids....
and if I was tony I would keep reminding them of wasted talent like 338 and Ron lachien
The only thing you said that is remotely accurate is Schwantz riding his lesser equipment. Everything else is hullabaloo.
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fader418 6/10/2012 4:47pm
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Mike deserves the good parts, that would help his confidence too. And we all know what confidence does in this sport...

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Hut wrote:
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local...
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local shop and have it torn down? I don't know how it all works day to day but I doubt that helped his future chances of factory support.
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If people only knew the full story of how all that went down..
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OK I'll bite.... How bout you tell us, we can only go by what the press tells us. You sound like you have some info, I...
OK I'll bite.... How bout you tell us, we can only go by what the press tells us. You sound like you have some info, I would LOVE to hear it. I dig the Allessi's and think that if you can clear it up ya should.
I hate it when people come out with the old elementary school " I have a secret, but I can't tell it... "
The shock story goes like this.....


3 months after breaking his leg at the Suzuki SX track during pre-season testing, Mike went to Waldo mx in North Fla for his first ride to get back into riding slowly. About the time he was just about warmed up, Mike pulled in and said something wasn't right and oil was gushing from the shock. The shock clevis had become disconnected from the shock body, which could have caused a deadly crash.



Tony and the practice mechanic tried to reach the team, but it was a weekend and no one would respond.


They decided to take the shock to a certified suzuki dealer (north Jax moto sports) on the advise of the Alessi's agent. The Suzuki dealer repaired the shock so Mike could continue training, and got a letter from the service manager explaining the reason for the failure (in properly torked loose locking nut and zero lock tite) and the repairs they made to fix the problem. The Alessi's thought they did the right thing, never at any time thinking anything more then repair the shock and return to riding.


end of story!
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cheers_22 wrote:
pretty sure it is still rd5 and rv1? Am I wrong? rd5 bandwagon is insane. and to the dude who asks if i watched supercross..watched the...
pretty sure it is still rd5 and rv1? Am I wrong? rd5 bandwagon is insane.

and to the dude who asks if i watched supercross..watched the early ones when reed and rv1 dominated then some later ones when rv1 dominated... i think supercross is boring after a while..especially when reed got hurt and rv was on cruise control..dunge was no threat
dunge was no threat?.....pretty sure 2 straight up victories and was 2nd in points....also almost caught RV1 while having a broken collarbone...then missed 5 (maybe more)SX races letting said collarbone heal...there goes your logic. RV was on cruise control cause there was no one left.....and yes MA800 is riding awesome!
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cheers_22 wrote:
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable...
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable. rv2, reed, stew, have all proved this. dunge is #4 out of those guys.. Alessi can win and he has proven it before.

this isn't any hate to rd5..speculation and conversation
Park Boys wrote:
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of...
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
cheers_22 wrote:
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority...
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority of the wins.


Dungey didn't miss a race and really didn't have many "bad" crashes.
As far as consistency he's always going to be there so that's why he's a champ
true champs are the dungeys out there.this is the age of the top riders pushing it to injury.as seen by all of them.dungey injured once, but even that injury was not for a full season.so he does not have that raw speed of some others, but he is doing something right to be a multi champion.
remember the race he did not have a bike at the line?well, he proved that when he must use more speed,he can.
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cheers_22 wrote:
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable...
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable. rv2, reed, stew, have all proved this. dunge is #4 out of those guys.. Alessi can win and he has proven it before.

this isn't any hate to rd5..speculation and conversation
Park Boys wrote:
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of...
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
Common dude... RV wasn't there for most of those Races, nor James, and Chad only half, and was sick when he wasn't he had Dunge handled... It's not an insult, he just hasn't beaten them as much as they've beaten him...

Regardless, Mikey ain't gonna get much faster with a factory bike, and given Genobli's stance on not running yellow or red, i doubt a factory is going to just say here, have a works tranny!
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Bob454 6/10/2012 6:56pm
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cheers_22 wrote:
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority...
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority of the wins.


Dungey didn't miss a race and really didn't have many "bad" crashes.
As far as consistency he's always going to be there so that's why he's a champ
chrisbuehler wrote:
Who won more nationals last year RV or Dungey? Dungey straight walked away at Thunder Valley, shougal, and Millvile when their starts were equal. RV won...
Who won more nationals last year RV or Dungey? Dungey straight walked away at Thunder Valley, shougal, and Millvile when their starts were equal. RV won when Dungey got a bad start, most times. JMO. We know who won the title and that's all that matters
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pretty sure it is still rd5 and rv1? Am I wrong? rd5 bandwagon is insane. and to the dude who asks if i watched supercross..watched the...
pretty sure it is still rd5 and rv1? Am I wrong? rd5 bandwagon is insane.

and to the dude who asks if i watched supercross..watched the early ones when reed and rv1 dominated then some later ones when rv1 dominated... i think supercross is boring after a while..especially when reed got hurt and rv was on cruise control..dunge was no threat
Dungey won the second round? Man are you retarded
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I will agree that Mike is riding really good and should be getting some support from suzuki. I mean, come on, Suzuki is helping some 14 year old snotty nose kid that lives down the road. And he is not finishing second in the worlds best motocross races. They should give some help and have more yellow bikes running around upfront.

BUT Mike will not finish the series ahead of Metty.........

(that should get a rise out of someone.)
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Mike has the ability to run Dungey's pace. He's riding smart and not over his head but he's going to get more confident as the series progresses. He's also going to get faster. Some solid factory parts and tech advice would go a long way in bridging the gap Dungey is enjoying right now.
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cheers_22 wrote:
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of...
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of Metcalfe. Alessi could be the only title contender for Suzuki now. Why not give him factory support and let the dude ride the wheels off it?

He obviously is determined to do well this year and his finishes are great. Why doesn't Suzuki support him and give him the parts he needs to stay and finish ahead of the Dunge? It's not like they don't have the parts, c'mon. It would be nice if they could understand Alessi needs his program but they could still support him. Either way, he's riding really well and I enjoy him up front and staying off the ground.
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I don't believe there is any combination of parts that would push Mike ahead of Dungey. His Zook seems to be working pretty well as is.
cheers_22 wrote:
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable...
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable. rv2, reed, stew, have all proved this. dunge is #4 out of those guys.. Alessi can win and he has proven it before.

this isn't any hate to rd5..speculation and conversation
Tuf is doing the motors I believe.
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Whoever is doing them, is doing a fantastic job. There's def. not shortage of power. Got to agree with earlier posts in that his rear shock seems to be an issue. Def. bounces around more then Dunge's bike. Mike has the speed but if your fighting the bike, your gonna lose. Hope he gets it figured out soon and has a great season. We need him too!!
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Park Boys wrote:
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of...
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
How many of those wins did he beat CR22, RV1, JS7, TC41, ?
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The shock story goes like this..... 3 months after breaking his leg at the Suzuki SX track during pre-season testing, Mike went to Waldo mx in...
The shock story goes like this.....


3 months after breaking his leg at the Suzuki SX track during pre-season testing, Mike went to Waldo mx in North Fla for his first ride to get back into riding slowly. About the time he was just about warmed up, Mike pulled in and said something wasn't right and oil was gushing from the shock. The shock clevis had become disconnected from the shock body, which could have caused a deadly crash.



Tony and the practice mechanic tried to reach the team, but it was a weekend and no one would respond.


They decided to take the shock to a certified suzuki dealer (north Jax moto sports) on the advise of the Alessi's agent. The Suzuki dealer repaired the shock so Mike could continue training, and got a letter from the service manager explaining the reason for the failure (in properly torked loose locking nut and zero lock tite) and the repairs they made to fix the problem. The Alessi's thought they did the right thing, never at any time thinking anything more then repair the shock and return to riding.


end of story!
Thanks for chiming in, Tony. Smile
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fader418 wrote:
How many of those wins did he beat CR22, RV1, JS7, TC41, ?
Uh RV was there for 12ish of them, Reed was there for 10ish of them, JS7 was there for 8ish and TC 3(and a few in the lites as well)
No matter how you cut it hes doing real good. All of them are amazing its time to give Dungey the credit he deserves weather you want to admit it or not he among the all time greats.


Give Mike a Factory Bike, under the tent!!
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It's good to see MA doing well, liked his speech from Moto1.

I personally think he would do better if they didn't run black plastic, absorbs tons of heat and the extra weight from that will slow him down. I studied at Wally Thor School of trucking, so trust me..... I know what I'm talking about.
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fader418 wrote:
How many of those wins did he beat CR22, RV1, JS7, TC41, ?
Let's see here... Beat them all for the 2010 SX Championship, beat Reed for the 2010 MX Championship (and Villopoto too if you think about it), beat Stewart and Canard in the 2011 SX Championship, beat Reed in the 2011 MX Championship, beat Stewart and Reed in the 2012 SX Championship, and is currently beating Stewart for the 2012 MX Championship.

In 2010 he lost to nobody. In 2011 Villopoto and Reed beat him in SX, and Villopoto beat him in MX. Remember that year was plagued by mechanicals. In 2012 Villopoto beat him in SX.

So there's your answer. The only time someone has really had his number was Villopoto this year in SX. Even then he was only 12 points behind before the injury.

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It's good to see MA doing well, liked his speech from Moto1. I personally think he would do better if they didn't run black plastic, absorbs...
It's good to see MA doing well, liked his speech from Moto1.

I personally think he would do better if they didn't run black plastic, absorbs tons of heat and the extra weight from that will slow him down. I studied at Wally Thor School of trucking, so trust me..... I know what I'm talking about.
You are definitely management material.
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Didnt Reed talk about how sweet it was when Factory Honda let loose with the works transmission for him? Maybe a factory tranny in Mikes RM would benefit him? Mike cant set up suspension so I doubt factory suspenders would help.

Its a moot argument as Genova is going the bittermen route and probably wouldnt accept any help if it was offered.

And for the record, count me as someone who thinks Alessi is capable of beating Dunge
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chrisbuehler wrote:
Who won more nationals last year RV or Dungey? Dungey straight walked away at Thunder Valley, shougal, and Millvile when their starts were equal. RV won...
Who won more nationals last year RV or Dungey? Dungey straight walked away at Thunder Valley, shougal, and Millvile when their starts were equal. RV won when Dungey got a bad start, most times. JMO. We know who won the title and that's all that matters
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pretty sure it is still rd5 and rv1? Am I wrong? rd5 bandwagon is insane. and to the dude who asks if i watched supercross..watched the...
pretty sure it is still rd5 and rv1? Am I wrong? rd5 bandwagon is insane.

and to the dude who asks if i watched supercross..watched the early ones when reed and rv1 dominated then some later ones when rv1 dominated... i think supercross is boring after a while..especially when reed got hurt and rv was on cruise control..dunge was no threat
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Dungey won the second round? Man are you retarded
reed air-mailed...GTFO SQUID!
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fader418 wrote:
How many of those wins did he beat CR22, RV1, JS7, TC41, ?
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Let's see here... Beat them all for the 2010 SX Championship, beat Reed for the 2010 MX Championship (and Villopoto too if you think about it)...
Let's see here... Beat them all for the 2010 SX Championship, beat Reed for the 2010 MX Championship (and Villopoto too if you think about it), beat Stewart and Canard in the 2011 SX Championship, beat Reed in the 2011 MX Championship, beat Stewart and Reed in the 2012 SX Championship, and is currently beating Stewart for the 2012 MX Championship.

In 2010 he lost to nobody. In 2011 Villopoto and Reed beat him in SX, and Villopoto beat him in MX. Remember that year was plagued by mechanicals. In 2012 Villopoto beat him in SX.

So there's your answer. The only time someone has really had his number was Villopoto this year in SX. Even then he was only 12 points behind before the injury.
in 2010 nobody was there? stew, reed two birds one stone..rv2 st. louis?? c'mon
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in 2010 nobody was there? stew, reed two birds one stone..rv2 st. louis?? c'mon
Dungey races for championships, not individual race wins or speed. Did you forget he was 12 points ahead of Villopoto with 4 races to go before that crash in Saint Louis?
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Think RC is getting better parts than MA?
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reed air-mailed...GTFO SQUID!
I don't know what air mailed means but I think you should check these results....http://www.supercross.com/race-results?eventId=20 , in case the link does not work check the results for the Phoenix sx....aka the second round, I think you will see a pumpkin on top Spode (or possibly troll) because no one can actually be that stupid and still be able to make an account here
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I'd say a factory transmission would help a little and some titanium parts to lighten up the bike would also help
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Whoever is doing them, is doing a fantastic job. There's def. not shortage of power. Got to agree with earlier posts in that his rear shock...
Whoever is doing them, is doing a fantastic job. There's def. not shortage of power. Got to agree with earlier posts in that his rear shock seems to be an issue. Def. bounces around more then Dunge's bike. Mike has the speed but if your fighting the bike, your gonna lose. Hope he gets it figured out soon and has a great season. We need him too!!
I'm gonna go out on a limb here..... After watching the race this weekend, I'd say mike needs a new riding coach. He's a great rider so don't get me wrong and flame me.... Looking at his riding style he appears to be way too rigid on the bike and its visible that he is fighting the bike due to not being fluid and one with the bike. Imo it doesn't matter if he's in better shape than a navy seal, fighting the bike to go fast will wear anyone out. There is a distinct difference between mike and most other top riders style that appears they are using much less energy. Even if he got a factory Suzuki bike I highly doubt he would do any better. I know my opinion won't fly with 99% of you on here but just watch and study the way he rides the bike its been mentioned before on here that he has a little old school style and watching him ride shows this. I don't think he is doing anything wrong but he isn't going as fast as he probably could go IF he worked with a former champ like a lot of younger riders are doing these days...... Just a shot in the dark bec I know the alessi program works well but he doesn't move around on the bike very much he fights it back into wherever he wants it to go. I think if he opened up to someone like DV and worked on fluidity he would be much more successful. Can't say that will ever happen but it might be the factor he could use to get that edge to win....... Just a theory but just watch him ride next weekend and its been like that his entire career so its nothing new with the MCR bike, even when he was factory Suzuki he looked the same. Maybe he should give it a shot for a year and see what happens
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Park Boys wrote:
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of...
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
fader418 wrote:
How many of those wins did he beat CR22, RV1, JS7, TC41, ?
All those guys suck. Every last one of them. I will give them credit when they can finally beat me! Till then, I am the king.
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in 2010 nobody was there? stew, reed two birds one stone..rv2 st. louis?? c'mon
TDeath21 wrote:
Dungey races for championships, not individual race wins or speed. Did you forget he was 12 points ahead of Villopoto with 4 races to go before...
Dungey races for championships, not individual race wins or speed. Did you forget he was 12 points ahead of Villopoto with 4 races to go before that crash in Saint Louis?
you're right. he does..he's a smart rider. but he finished 3rd in 2011 behind rv1 and 22...

i agree with you..you have good opinions.
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cheers_22 wrote:
in 2010 nobody was there? stew, reed two birds one stone..rv2 st. louis?? c'mon
TDeath21 wrote:
Dungey races for championships, not individual race wins or speed. Did you forget he was 12 points ahead of Villopoto with 4 races to go before...
Dungey races for championships, not individual race wins or speed. Did you forget he was 12 points ahead of Villopoto with 4 races to go before that crash in Saint Louis?
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you're right. he does..he's a smart rider. but he finished 3rd in 2011 behind rv1 and 22...

i agree with you..you have good opinions.
Face it the only reason RV2 won it was because of a Derailed Chain in SX and a bike that ran out of gas in MX, or wouldnt start and didnt make it to the line at southwick take ur pick Smile Smile Smile

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