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Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of Metcalfe. Alessi could be the only title contender for Suzuki now. Why not give him factory support and let the dude ride the wheels off it?

He obviously is determined to do well this year and his finishes are great. Why doesn't Suzuki support him and give him the parts he needs to stay and finish ahead of the Dunge? It's not like they don't have the parts, c'mon. It would be nice if they could understand Alessi needs his program but they could still support him. Either way, he's riding really well and I enjoy him up front and staying off the ground.
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DownSouth 6/10/2012 10:10am
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MCR team owner Mike Genova has been very open about the fact that his team has never been able to get much support from the OEM's. Since that was the case he refused to do free advertising by running yellow bikes with Suzuki logos. They made the choice to go with black "MCR 450's" and the bikes seem to be performing pretty well.
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cheers_22 wrote:
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of...
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of Metcalfe. Alessi could be the only title contender for Suzuki now. Why not give him factory support and let the dude ride the wheels off it?

He obviously is determined to do well this year and his finishes are great. Why doesn't Suzuki support him and give him the parts he needs to stay and finish ahead of the Dunge? It's not like they don't have the parts, c'mon. It would be nice if they could understand Alessi needs his program but they could still support him. Either way, he's riding really well and I enjoy him up front and staying off the ground.
I don't believe there is any combination of parts that would push Mike ahead of Dungey. His Zook seems to be working pretty well as is.
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Not having factory support might give Alessi the added motivation to kick some factory supported ass.
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Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of...
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of Metcalfe. Alessi could be the only title contender for Suzuki now. Why not give him factory support and let the dude ride the wheels off it?

He obviously is determined to do well this year and his finishes are great. Why doesn't Suzuki support him and give him the parts he needs to stay and finish ahead of the Dunge? It's not like they don't have the parts, c'mon. It would be nice if they could understand Alessi needs his program but they could still support him. Either way, he's riding really well and I enjoy him up front and staying off the ground.
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I don't believe there is any combination of parts that would push Mike ahead of Dungey. His Zook seems to be working pretty well as is.
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable. rv2, reed, stew, have all proved this. dunge is #4 out of those guys.. Alessi can win and he has proven it before.

this isn't any hate to rd5..speculation and conversation
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I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable...
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable. rv2, reed, stew, have all proved this. dunge is #4 out of those guys.. Alessi can win and he has proven it before.

this isn't any hate to rd5..speculation and conversation
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
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Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of...
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of Metcalfe. Alessi could be the only title contender for Suzuki now. Why not give him factory support and let the dude ride the wheels off it?

He obviously is determined to do well this year and his finishes are great. Why doesn't Suzuki support him and give him the parts he needs to stay and finish ahead of the Dunge? It's not like they don't have the parts, c'mon. It would be nice if they could understand Alessi needs his program but they could still support him. Either way, he's riding really well and I enjoy him up front and staying off the ground.
my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day
they both are riding with great desire and lesser equipment


a good attitude and heart will overcome equipment 99% of the time....


Tony , mikes father has more heart and desire than his kids....
and if I was tony I would keep reminding them of wasted talent like 338 and Ron lachien
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He needs some factory suspension, his bike has looked horrible the first few races. He's riding well considering but his bike seems to be bouncing around a lot.
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cheers_22 wrote:
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of...
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of Metcalfe. Alessi could be the only title contender for Suzuki now. Why not give him factory support and let the dude ride the wheels off it?

He obviously is determined to do well this year and his finishes are great. Why doesn't Suzuki support him and give him the parts he needs to stay and finish ahead of the Dunge? It's not like they don't have the parts, c'mon. It would be nice if they could understand Alessi needs his program but they could still support him. Either way, he's riding really well and I enjoy him up front and staying off the ground.
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my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day they...
my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day
they both are riding with great desire and lesser equipment


a good attitude and heart will overcome equipment 99% of the time....


Tony , mikes father has more heart and desire than his kids....
and if I was tony I would keep reminding them of wasted talent like 338 and Ron lachien
lechien was not wasted talent you fucking dork. did not reach his full potential maybe but no waste of talent. and to compare 338 to rl is a joke.

"Ron Lechien, one of the few men walking the earth with wins in every major division of this sport—AMA Supercross, and AMA MX Nationals in the 125, 250 and 500 class."
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cheers_22 6/10/2012 11:04am
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I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable...
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable. rv2, reed, stew, have all proved this. dunge is #4 out of those guys.. Alessi can win and he has proven it before.

this isn't any hate to rd5..speculation and conversation
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How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of...
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority of the wins.


Dungey didn't miss a race and really didn't have many "bad" crashes.
As far as consistency he's always going to be there so that's why he's a champ
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Lechien was not a wasted talent. He had his demons and was capable of more but he won a lot of races and championships........"wasted" is far from the truth.

MA rode great yesterday! Glad to see that fire / training came together as one yesterday....he looked great.
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exsuzukidealer wrote:
my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day they...
my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day
they both are riding with great desire and lesser equipment


a good attitude and heart will overcome equipment 99% of the time....


Tony , mikes father has more heart and desire than his kids....
and if I was tony I would keep reminding them of wasted talent like 338 and Ron lachien
That's GOLD, Jerry, GOLD!
wired4speed 6/10/2012 12:24pm
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A little factory support would help out any team and rider. Alessi is a factory caliber rider on an outdoor track and played it smart during the sx season and paced himself at the start of the mx season. He can run with Dungey on the right equipment and his confidence is only going to get stronger as the season gets longer. If it's tires, suspension or motor work Suzuki should help out Alessi's team.
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exsuzukidealer wrote:
my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day they...
my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day
they both are riding with great desire and lesser equipment


a good attitude and heart will overcome equipment 99% of the time....


Tony , mikes father has more heart and desire than his kids....
and if I was tony I would keep reminding them of wasted talent like 338 and Ron lachien
Lechien was one of the most talented riders in the world, if not the most talented. Yeah he might not have lived up to his potential but he was a hero! and a even bigger hero today to have overcame his addiction....my hero at least!
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Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local shop and have it torn down? I don't know how it all works day to day but I doubt that helped his future chances of factory support.
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Hut wrote:
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local...
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local shop and have it torn down? I don't know how it all works day to day but I doubt that helped his future chances of factory support.
This^^^, mikes doing well but I believe he's about burnt his bridges everywhere except maybe Kawasaki and Yamaha .
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cheers_22 wrote:
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of...
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of Metcalfe. Alessi could be the only title contender for Suzuki now. Why not give him factory support and let the dude ride the wheels off it?

He obviously is determined to do well this year and his finishes are great. Why doesn't Suzuki support him and give him the parts he needs to stay and finish ahead of the Dunge? It's not like they don't have the parts, c'mon. It would be nice if they could understand Alessi needs his program but they could still support him. Either way, he's riding really well and I enjoy him up front and staying off the ground.
exsuzukidealer wrote:
my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day they...
my opinion on this topic : moto is 90% rider and 10% bike........dungy is a perfect example and so was schwants back in the day
they both are riding with great desire and lesser equipment


a good attitude and heart will overcome equipment 99% of the time....


Tony , mikes father has more heart and desire than his kids....
and if I was tony I would keep reminding them of wasted talent like 338 and Ron lachien
BobbyM wrote:
lechien was not wasted talent you fucking dork. did not reach his full potential maybe but no waste of talent. and to compare 338 to rl...
lechien was not wasted talent you fucking dork. did not reach his full potential maybe but no waste of talent. and to compare 338 to rl is a joke.

"Ron Lechien, one of the few men walking the earth with wins in every major division of this sport—AMA Supercross, and AMA MX Nationals in the 125, 250 and 500 class."
sorry bob, did not mean to hurt your feelings. I will apologize to Ronny on Tuesday when I see him. Are you and 500kook brothers by chance?

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scott_nz 6/10/2012 1:27pm
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Hut wrote:
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local...
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local shop and have it torn down? I don't know how it all works day to day but I doubt that helped his future chances of factory support.
bobby397 wrote:
This^^^, mikes doing well but I believe he's about burnt his bridges everywhere except maybe Kawasaki and Yamaha .
It will be interesting to see where Mike ends up next year, even with these results i do not see him back on one of the Factory teams, with the exception of JGR, where he might fidn a ride, but with his size i am not sure he will suit the YZ450F,

He seems to be going good where he is, and you would presume it is because he is happy thier, maybe with the results they may be able to get a bit more support from Suzuki, and the bikes will start looking like them again,
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Hut wrote:
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local...
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local shop and have it torn down? I don't know how it all works day to day but I doubt that helped his future chances of factory support.
If people only knew the full story of how all that went down..
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cheers_22 wrote:
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable...
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable. rv2, reed, stew, have all proved this. dunge is #4 out of those guys.. Alessi can win and he has proven it before.

this isn't any hate to rd5..speculation and conversation
Park Boys wrote:
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of...
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
cheers_22 wrote:
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority...
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority of the wins.


Dungey didn't miss a race and really didn't have many "bad" crashes.
As far as consistency he's always going to be there so that's why he's a champ
I have yet to see Dungey get smoked on a 450 outdoors, last year if Reed was not up front he was 30 seconds behind RV and RD........ You will never see Dungey do that. That to me is Speed.
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Park Boys wrote:
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of...
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
cheers_22 wrote:
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority...
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority of the wins.


Dungey didn't miss a race and really didn't have many "bad" crashes.
As far as consistency he's always going to be there so that's why he's a champ
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I have yet to see Dungey get smoked on a 450 outdoors, last year if Reed was not up front he was 30 seconds behind RV...
I have yet to see Dungey get smoked on a 450 outdoors, last year if Reed was not up front he was 30 seconds behind RV and RD........ You will never see Dungey do that. That to me is Speed.
I'm not sure which motos you're speaking of..Reed was hurt late of course; however, 22 beat dunge in quite a few motos straight up. Including the first moto at dunge's "hometrack"

you are obviously biased so think what you what. this thread's about Alessi
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cheers_22 wrote:
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority...
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority of the wins.


Dungey didn't miss a race and really didn't have many "bad" crashes.
As far as consistency he's always going to be there so that's why he's a champ
Did you even watch the sx series? Man you are stupid.
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cheers_22 wrote:
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable...
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable. rv2, reed, stew, have all proved this. dunge is #4 out of those guys.. Alessi can win and he has proven it before.

this isn't any hate to rd5..speculation and conversation
Park Boys wrote:
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of...
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
cheers_22 wrote:
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority...
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority of the wins.


Dungey didn't miss a race and really didn't have many "bad" crashes.
As far as consistency he's always going to be there so that's why he's a champ
Who won more nationals last year RV or Dungey? Dungey straight walked away at Thunder Valley, shougal, and Millvile when their starts were equal. RV won when Dungey got a bad start, most times. JMO. We know who won the title and that's all that matters
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Maybe this is all of the past drama of the Alessi clan coming full circle. It seems like almost every factory team they have been involved with they have given grief to. If the suzuki racing and marketing folks decide its worth while I'm sure they will try to convince the bean counters to free up the money to give Mike some help.
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I dont foresee Suzuki EVER giving Mike any support as long as Motoconcepts continues to run Hondas in the 250 class. Its not a matter of how good Mike does, its more a matter of Suzuki's pride. But hey, thats just the way I see it.
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Hut wrote:
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local...
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local shop and have it torn down? I don't know how it all works day to day but I doubt that helped his future chances of factory support.
wawazat wrote:
If people only knew the full story of how all that went down..
OK I'll bite.... How bout you tell us, we can only go by what the press tells us. You sound like you have some info, I would LOVE to hear it. I dig the Allessi's and think that if you can clear it up ya should.
I hate it when people come out with the old elementary school " I have a secret, but I can't tell it... "
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i think i remember Toni Alessi saying the only parts they would like to have kicked down to him would be factory shock and a coil or ignition. may of been some other parts, but i cant remember them now.
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chrisbuehler 6/10/2012 3:06pm
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Mike is doing just fine. I don't see how factory equipment is gonna keep Dungey from smoking his ass by 45 sec. Mike rode good yest no doubt but I guarantee RD knows the score. He could drop the hammer anytime he wants on Mike but I'm sure is conscious of getting taken out. Like I said good on mike for his results so far, he was a fav of mine on the RMZ 09o
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wawazat 6/10/2012 3:13pm
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Hut wrote:
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local...
Mike is doing great right now! That said; last time he had Suzuki Factory Suspension under him didn't his dad take it down to the local shop and have it torn down? I don't know how it all works day to day but I doubt that helped his future chances of factory support.
wawazat wrote:
If people only knew the full story of how all that went down..
B DUB 333 wrote:
OK I'll bite.... How bout you tell us, we can only go by what the press tells us. You sound like you have some info, I...
OK I'll bite.... How bout you tell us, we can only go by what the press tells us. You sound like you have some info, I would LOVE to hear it. I dig the Allessi's and think that if you can clear it up ya should.
I hate it when people come out with the old elementary school " I have a secret, but I can't tell it... "
I do know the story, but I've been here long enough to know, no matter how much knowledge one has on a subject, people won't believe it. Not my story to tell, just don't believe everything you hear about the Alessis.

People on here ran Michael Sleeter off cause they said he didn't know what he was talking about. Go figure..

This place got the jump on the GP coming to Glen Helen, still people here didn't believe it cause it wasn't posted on RacerX yet.

This isn't the board to let shit fly, it will bite you in ass everytime.

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