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Cygnus
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6/4/2012 4:55pm
Well then it seems there are going to be a bunch of guys that are pissed if they change the track crossing Rule. GuyB even admits to crossing the track during the race because that's the only way we can get good pictures. Is it fair that that one bad apple ruined it for the whole bunch? Should anyone crossing the track while hot lose thier credentials? What do you all think should be done?
6/4/2012 5:10pm
Cygnus wrote:
I just want to know his name so when this kind of shit happens in the future we can give him credit like in king pin...
I just want to know his name so when this kind of shit happens in the future we can give him credit like in king pin and they say wow that guy just pulled a Munson.
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6/4/2012 6:04pm
They just need more awesome big jumps that they can put tunnels under.
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6/4/2012 6:12pm
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The Photog's name IS NOT an issue: the conduct IS & it should be addressed by the Sanctioning Body & Promoters @ the next event...Where they...
The Photog's name IS NOT an issue: the conduct IS & it should be addressed by the Sanctioning Body & Promoters @ the next event...Where they may or may not have a Photog/Press meeting...

At which they may pass out the NEW PHOTO PASSES/CREDENTIALS...
(Or Not passing them to a certain individual, as the case may be...?)

I'm jus' hopin'...
The application already states they can be taken away. DC was right to note that whatever the rules are, they don't substitute for judgment. It would be a real shame if it ended up restricing access and movement that would never create an issue, but we'll see how it plays out.

Safety meetings with photographers were a regular feature last year. The bar is higher to get in this year. You can be pretty confident that the powers that be are going to deal with it. Obviously the race comes first, but hopefully there will be a collaborative effort to make it work safer and better for everyone.

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6/4/2012 6:20pm
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's to various people who need them and be done with it.

People from other countries can cover the races from the press tent and buy photo's from the American Photographers.
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6/4/2012 6:39pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2012 6:39pm
500guy wrote:
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's...
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's to various people who need them and be done with it.

People from other countries can cover the races from the press tent and buy photo's from the American Photographers.
That sounds extreme when you first read it but in all honesty it would probably be a good move for professional photogs. Might have to adjust the number of available vests up and price down though. What do other "Professional" sports do? I don't remember seeing an overwhelming number of people just roaming around the NFL fields.
6/4/2012 6:41pm
500guy wrote:
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's...
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's to various people who need them and be done with it.

People from other countries can cover the races from the press tent and buy photo's from the American Photographers.
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6/4/2012 6:43pm
Shits weak shits weak. That camera guy sux!
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Ummm... let's see: THIS is the first incident in MX that a photographer "got in the way" yes??? I don't remember any other incident but I could be wrong. How many years have we been doing this?

You guys knee-jerk react much. As GuyB pointed out, all the cool photo's we get to see is because of the "access" they have so, unless you want LESS cool shit to look at, by all means, restrict the fuck out of everyone!

All that's needed is a rule that you DON'T walk across the track at any section that is "blind" and LOOK before you do as to not interfere with the racer's.

Call me crazy but that's just how I see it.
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6/4/2012 7:02pm
Dano39 wrote:
Ummm... let's see: THIS is the first incident in MX that a photographer "got in the way" yes??? I don't remember any other incident but I...
Ummm... let's see: THIS is the first incident in MX that a photographer "got in the way" yes??? I don't remember any other incident but I could be wrong. How many years have we been doing this?

You guys knee-jerk react much. As GuyB pointed out, all the cool photo's we get to see is because of the "access" they have so, unless you want LESS cool shit to look at, by all means, restrict the fuck out of everyone!

All that's needed is a rule that you DON'T walk across the track at any section that is "blind" and LOOK before you do as to not interfere with the racer's.

Call me crazy but that's just how I see it.
Yeah, well, the rule "... that you DON'T walk across the track at any section that is "blind" and LOOK before you do as to not interfere with the racer's" was already in effect, but unfortunately that particular guy wasn't thinking about rules at that particular moment and now we are where we are.
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6/4/2012 7:14pm
Dano39 wrote:
Ummm... let's see: THIS is the first incident in MX that a photographer "got in the way" yes??? I don't remember any other incident but I...
Ummm... let's see: THIS is the first incident in MX that a photographer "got in the way" yes??? I don't remember any other incident but I could be wrong. How many years have we been doing this?

You guys knee-jerk react much. As GuyB pointed out, all the cool photo's we get to see is because of the "access" they have so, unless you want LESS cool shit to look at, by all means, restrict the fuck out of everyone!

All that's needed is a rule that you DON'T walk across the track at any section that is "blind" and LOOK before you do as to not interfere with the racer's.

Call me crazy but that's just how I see it.
kardy wrote:
Yeah, well, the rule "... that you DON'T walk across the track at any section that is "blind" and LOOK before you do as to not...
Yeah, well, the rule "... that you DON'T walk across the track at any section that is "blind" and LOOK before you do as to not interfere with the racer's" was already in effect, but unfortunately that particular guy wasn't thinking about rules at that particular moment and now we are where we are.
Yeah, we are, but where we are not is needing a rule. There is a rule (which is always a poor substitute for being alert and exercising judgment). And now we're also at the consequences when the existing rule isn't followed.
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6/4/2012 10:49pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2012 10:50pm
Wow, so it was a photographer, after all. I've gone from being angry to just feeling bad for everyone involved.

You have to be able to cross the track to get good shots. It's just a fact.

Are we going to have each mag with an inside guy and an outside guy?

'Official' photographer-approved turns and jumps?

What a mess. So sorry this happened.
6/5/2012 2:26am
500guy wrote:
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's...
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's to various people who need them and be done with it.

People from other countries can cover the races from the press tent and buy photo's from the American Photographers.
HAHA! Are you saying some pro photog from europe should sit in the tent and scramble after the first photographer that enters the tent so he gets first dibs? Would he be able to take long-range shots from the media tent as well or would that be too dangerous? Maybe just keep him inside the tent with lap ticker-only access.
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6/5/2012 3:54am
500guy wrote:
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's...
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's to various people who need them and be done with it.

People from other countries can cover the races from the press tent and buy photo's from the American Photographers.
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6/5/2012 4:26am
I seen photogs cross the track a number of times in front of riders not as close as a call to stewies(on a jump landing) but coming out of corners an shit all at thunder valley.. But I'll be going to the high point national so I'll be looking for the change! I always believed this was an issue an I believe they should be on a tighter leash an have to use tunnels an such more..
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6/5/2012 5:14am Edited Date/Time 6/5/2012 5:15am
500guy wrote:
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's...
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's to various people who need them and be done with it.

People from other countries can cover the races from the press tent and buy photo's from the American Photographers.
Not sure if serious....
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6/5/2012 5:16am
YEAH !!!!!!


They should also make it so the fans have to be at least 200 yards away from the track also, and ban those who get any closer, then create a website so they can post there names publicly and be shamed by all the pitchfork toting neckbeards.


Right guys?
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6/5/2012 5:43am
500guy wrote:
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's...
just ban cameras from the events, charge the photogs 20k for a vest and only have 10 or 12 available So they can sell the photo's to various people who need them and be done with it.

People from other countries can cover the races from the press tent and buy photo's from the American Photographers.
Like anyone or any publication would pay $20K for a vest?

This is publicity for the series, you don't charge the media to cover it.
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6/5/2012 6:00am
6 pages and none of you have blamed DDavis for this world changing catastrophic event.....shame on all of you......
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6 pages and none of you have blamed DDavis for this world changing catastrophic event.....shame on all of you......
........or Yamaha.
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6/5/2012 3:42pm
Sup beeches?!

None of you got it right. It was really me in disguise, no one found out...

This situation is one you always keep in mind when near a track, beause you never want to be the a-hole that affects the outcome of a pro race. Crossing in front of the leaders is already a well-known "never do." But, it happened and Stewart got screwed just when he was making the summer about twice as interesting as it would have been without him. Sux for everyone, especially him.

The series folks are under a lot of pressure and will have to make some visible changes after this, but I hope they dont over-react like SX did when some local newspaper yoyo photohound got landed on when he was standing in a stupid place. SX clamped down hard and ruind it for everyone. They made track maps and shooting the US Open was a waste of time, everyone hated it.

SX always had a strict no-crossing rule, even when obviously there is a clear track. You cross they walk you out. I saw it happen. It's not that hard to manage.

Nats are much more wide open, and officials don't look twice when you cross, because they do it too. I'm pretty sure the guy that crossed in front of James knows better and wasn't paying attention. Everyone already knows you don't get on a track when the leaders are coming, sheesh.

The people that are whining about who is on the track need to relax. When the race is over, all you have is TV, memories, sunburn, souvenirs, and pics.

No one is making enough money to support huge fees for media, thats silly. It's not like there are dozens of people at each event making a killing. The pie isn't very big.

The responsibility for the track during a race is the sanctioning body's. It's up to them to have rules and have people in place to enforce things. It's none of my business but I hope MX doesn't over react like SX. They can borrow the one rule about if you cross at the wrong time, you get walked out and, hopefully not just tell people to stay away.
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6/5/2012 4:00pm
We still mad at the photog?

And Jay, that was some funny shit. You caught limit on one cast.
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6/5/2012 4:15pm
Ummm, hey, did anybody check if the wacky cross-rutting Brazilian photo guy with the fresh wax-job snap a pic of

James coming towards him ? I know it may seem insignificant to those with simple minds, but for those, like me,

with a scientific, logical cranium - that is sometimes fuzzy with beer-sauce, it seems quite topical. Ole'.
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6/5/2012 5:30pm
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We still mad at the photog?

And Jay, that was some funny shit. You caught limit on one cast.
Yeah, but it was recycled. He throws that one out every time. Smile Poor guy is short on material.
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6/5/2012 5:43pm
If it were a Brazilian photographers blame whoever issued him a track pass.Those people have no sense of safety
In Brazil MXof tracks has evolved to the point of leather helmets on board oval tracks here.
In his country they would have a ez up set up selling nachos at the point of the track where he slipped.

Whoever gave him the pass should have known to restriction his access to shooting from the parking lot.
To be fair, are we sure it was a Brazilian photographer?
We could be barking up the wrong tree. It could have been a tall Mexican crossing the track to get his weed wacker
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6/5/2012 5:52pm
We will never know who it was. At this point I am really thinking it was mufuckin big foot!

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