So who was the moran...

panic revver 6/4/2012 8:12am
6/4/2012 8:12am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2012 8:13am
DC wrote:
I assure you guys MX Sports is dealing with this. But there is a level of personal responsibility too -- you don't cross the highway at...
I assure you guys MX Sports is dealing with this. But there is a level of personal responsibility too -- you don't cross the highway at rush hour, whether you are a photographer or not. What happened here was a very unfortunate lapse of judgement by someone who really does know better, but made a mistake that has had huge effect on a lot of other people, including James Stewart, and now other photographers....

I remember at the 1993 Budds Creek 250 GP a local news photographer decided to stand in the first turn and got drilled by Jeff Stanton, who had won something like three straight USGP races to that point. It knocked Jeff down and ruined his day. All of the rest of us photographers, along with the guy who got hit, were told to stay off the track.

All of the photographers were told to stay off the track at Thunder Valley too, and most of then obliged the request. This guy did not, and it had a terrible ripple effect. I am not sure how it's going to turn out -- a motocross track is a tough place to shoot, and unlike football, baseball or basketball, it impossible to just be on the outside the whole time and make good photos. So the personal responsibility thing comes into play, and it was played badly in Colorado....

DC
MX Sports
Let that moran watch from his living room from now on.
carlosmacho
Profile picture for user carlosmacho
Posts
1493
Joined
12/8/2009
Location
Lost Wages, NV, USA
carlosmacho 6/4/2012 8:13am
6/4/2012 8:13am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2012 8:14am
No one has answered the question. Who is Moran? I heard he shows up to races and posts a lot on this board but I have not met him. Anyone know this guy?
DC
Profile picture for user DC
Posts
3889
Joined
5/1/2009
Location
Morgantown, WV, USA
DC 6/4/2012 8:14am
6/4/2012 8:14am
As for "certain dads on the infield" it's hard for Troy Dungey or Tony Alessi or Big James Stewart to watch from public grandstands and not get bothered a lot. They all play an integral part of their son's racing program and are also well-known in racing circles, so they get stopped a lot for photos, autographs, well-wishes and more.

We have special zones set up for rider families and all, but they want the ability to follow their son throughout the day. So it's up to their team to give them one of the all-access passes they get.

DC
MX Sports
WhipMeister
Profile picture for user WhipMeister
Posts
5259
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
Big D, TX, USA
WhipMeister 6/4/2012 8:21am
6/4/2012 8:21am
zippy895 wrote:
[img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205402_10150855639723176_680468175_9894034_732481899_n.jpg[/img]
HOF!

Dammit. Now I need a new keyboard.... Silly

The Shop

See All »
FARANG
Profile picture for user FARANG
Posts
861
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
USA
FARANG 6/4/2012 8:43am
6/4/2012 8:43am
kongols wrote:
I think GuyB said it was brazilian photographer.
GuyB wrote:
Correct. Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a...
Correct.

Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a, "Y'all photographers..." That was after he'd reported another photographer for crossing the track.

After I suggested that he not lump us all together, and that if I cross the track I want enough visibility and gap between riders that I can do it at a leisurely stroll, he agreed...so that there was extra time in case I stumbled. We both chuckled at that.

When we were done talking? He walked across the track back to the pits...
Must kinda suck being so pro-Stewart through your site and then getting the finger wagging from his Dad due to some idiot crossing the track.

If i was 'Big' James I'd be buying you a drink for clipping/warning anyone who isn't nut hugging the last couple of years, not 'wagging' the finger due to the actions of someone else. Nice to know your efforts have been appreciated though hey...
mxrider641
Profile picture for user mxrider641
Posts
569
Joined
4/5/2011
Location
Endicott, NY, USA
mxrider641 6/4/2012 8:45am
6/4/2012 8:45am
DC wrote:
I assure you guys MX Sports is dealing with this. But there is a level of personal responsibility too -- you don't cross the highway at...
I assure you guys MX Sports is dealing with this. But there is a level of personal responsibility too -- you don't cross the highway at rush hour, whether you are a photographer or not. What happened here was a very unfortunate lapse of judgement by someone who really does know better, but made a mistake that has had huge effect on a lot of other people, including James Stewart, and now other photographers....

I remember at the 1993 Budds Creek 250 GP a local news photographer decided to stand in the first turn and got drilled by Jeff Stanton, who had won something like three straight USGP races to that point. It knocked Jeff down and ruined his day. All of the rest of us photographers, along with the guy who got hit, were told to stay off the track.

All of the photographers were told to stay off the track at Thunder Valley too, and most of then obliged the request. This guy did not, and it had a terrible ripple effect. I am not sure how it's going to turn out -- a motocross track is a tough place to shoot, and unlike football, baseball or basketball, it impossible to just be on the outside the whole time and make good photos. So the personal responsibility thing comes into play, and it was played badly in Colorado....

DC
MX Sports
DC,
Thanks for taking the time to give some updates. Sucks for all parties involved...
jndmx
Profile picture for user jndmx
Posts
9691
Joined
1/20/2008
Location
South Kingston, RI, USA
jndmx 6/4/2012 8:48am
6/4/2012 8:48am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2012 8:49am
kongols wrote:
I think GuyB said it was brazilian photographer.
GuyB wrote:
Correct. Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a...
Correct.

Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a, "Y'all photographers..." That was after he'd reported another photographer for crossing the track.

After I suggested that he not lump us all together, and that if I cross the track I want enough visibility and gap between riders that I can do it at a leisurely stroll, he agreed...so that there was extra time in case I stumbled. We both chuckled at that.

When we were done talking? He walked across the track back to the pits...
FARANG wrote:
Must kinda suck being so pro-Stewart through your site and then getting the finger wagging from his Dad due to some idiot crossing the track. If...
Must kinda suck being so pro-Stewart through your site and then getting the finger wagging from his Dad due to some idiot crossing the track.

If i was 'Big' James I'd be buying you a drink for clipping/warning anyone who isn't nut hugging the last couple of years, not 'wagging' the finger due to the actions of someone else. Nice to know your efforts have been appreciated though hey...
Hey Guys........look I found the Moran.....OK maybe not THE moran, but certainly a big one.
panic revver 6/4/2012 8:55am
6/4/2012 8:55am
GuyB wrote:
Correct. Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a...
Correct.

Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a, "Y'all photographers..." That was after he'd reported another photographer for crossing the track.

After I suggested that he not lump us all together, and that if I cross the track I want enough visibility and gap between riders that I can do it at a leisurely stroll, he agreed...so that there was extra time in case I stumbled. We both chuckled at that.

When we were done talking? He walked across the track back to the pits...
FARANG wrote:
Must kinda suck being so pro-Stewart through your site and then getting the finger wagging from his Dad due to some idiot crossing the track. If...
Must kinda suck being so pro-Stewart through your site and then getting the finger wagging from his Dad due to some idiot crossing the track.

If i was 'Big' James I'd be buying you a drink for clipping/warning anyone who isn't nut hugging the last couple of years, not 'wagging' the finger due to the actions of someone else. Nice to know your efforts have been appreciated though hey...
jndmx wrote:
Hey Guys........look I found the Moran.....OK maybe not THE moran, but certainly a big one.
Definitely a big moran. Let's hope Gibby strips this moran of his posting credentials.
Cygnus
Profile picture for user Cygnus
Posts
14845
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
Hanover, CO, USA
Cygnus 6/4/2012 9:25am
6/4/2012 9:25am
Why all the secrecy in releasing a name? Does anyone really think someone will hurt this Moran? Will we ever know? Has his credential been pulled? Will he be crossing a track near you anytime soon? Inquiring minds want To know.
mtnr
Profile picture for user mtnr
Posts
289
Joined
3/29/2010
Location
., ID, USA
mtnr 6/4/2012 10:21am
6/4/2012 10:21am
Correct spelling is Moron......
kongols
Profile picture for user kongols
Posts
24222
Joined
9/22/2009
Location
Riga, LV
kongols 6/4/2012 10:23am
6/4/2012 10:23am
mtnr wrote:
Correct spelling is Moron......
slipdog
Profile picture for user slipdog
Posts
10054
Joined
7/25/2009
Location
Nor Cal, CA, USA
slipdog 6/4/2012 10:30am
6/4/2012 10:30am
mtnr wrote:
Correct spelling is Moron......
bvm111
Profile picture for user bvm111
Posts
10119
Joined
7/1/2008
Location
Las Vegas, NV, USA
bvm111 6/4/2012 10:34am
6/4/2012 10:34am
mtnr wrote:
Correct spelling is Moron......
wow... really?
GuyB
Profile picture for user GuyB
Posts
35722
Joined
7/10/2006
Location
Aliso Viejo, CA, USA
GuyB 6/4/2012 10:35am
6/4/2012 10:35am
FARANG wrote:
Must kinda suck being so pro-Stewart through your site and then getting the finger wagging from his Dad due to some idiot crossing the track. If...
Must kinda suck being so pro-Stewart through your site and then getting the finger wagging from his Dad due to some idiot crossing the track.

If i was 'Big' James I'd be buying you a drink for clipping/warning anyone who isn't nut hugging the last couple of years, not 'wagging' the finger due to the actions of someone else. Nice to know your efforts have been appreciated though hey...
I assumed part of it was in jest, and part of it was serious. Either way, I didn't take it personally.

It's also not a matter of being pro- or anti- anyone. We tend to cover the riders that people are most interested in.
GuyB
Profile picture for user GuyB
Posts
35722
Joined
7/10/2006
Location
Aliso Viejo, CA, USA
GuyB 6/4/2012 10:37am
6/4/2012 10:37am
Cygnus wrote:
Why all the secrecy in releasing a name? Does anyone really think someone will hurt this Moran? Will we ever know? Has his credential been pulled...
Why all the secrecy in releasing a name? Does anyone really think someone will hurt this Moran? Will we ever know? Has his credential been pulled? Will he be crossing a track near you anytime soon? Inquiring minds want To know.
No secrecy on my end. I don't know the guy.

I will say, however, that the bigfoot photo made me laugh.
Cygnus
Profile picture for user Cygnus
Posts
14845
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
Hanover, CO, USA
Cygnus 6/4/2012 10:56am
6/4/2012 10:56am
Cygnus wrote:
Why all the secrecy in releasing a name? Does anyone really think someone will hurt this Moran? Will we ever know? Has his credential been pulled...
Why all the secrecy in releasing a name? Does anyone really think someone will hurt this Moran? Will we ever know? Has his credential been pulled? Will he be crossing a track near you anytime soon? Inquiring minds want To know.
GuyB wrote:
No secrecy on my end. I don't know the guy.

I will say, however, that the bigfoot photo made me laugh.
Not singling you out. Just wondering why it's such a big secret?
GuyB
Profile picture for user GuyB
Posts
35722
Joined
7/10/2006
Location
Aliso Viejo, CA, USA
GuyB 6/4/2012 11:09am
6/4/2012 11:09am
Cygnus wrote:
Not singling you out. Just wondering why it's such a big secret?
Define why you think it's a big secret? I don't think it's any mystery...much less a big one. Or is it because there hasn't been a press release, wanted poster, or his name in an article?

I couldn't tell you the name of half the American guys in the press room on any given weekend, much less the name of foreign press. I assume it's the same for much of the rest of the guys in there.

Pit Row

See All »
Cygnus
Profile picture for user Cygnus
Posts
14845
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
Hanover, CO, USA
Cygnus 6/4/2012 11:20am
6/4/2012 11:20am
Cygnus wrote:
Not singling you out. Just wondering why it's such a big secret?
GuyB wrote:
Define why you think it's a big secret? I don't think it's any mystery...much less a big one. Or is it because there hasn't been a...
Define why you think it's a big secret? I don't think it's any mystery...much less a big one. Or is it because there hasn't been a press release, wanted poster, or his name in an article?

I couldn't tell you the name of half the American guys in the press room on any given weekend, much less the name of foreign press. I assume it's the same for much of the rest of the guys in there.
Just because of past things like this getting swept under the rug. If this was a guy in bounds and hit by a WR in an nfl game your damn sure his name would have been released to the public. It makes our sport look very unprofessional. Not that it is.
FreshTopEnd
Profile picture for user FreshTopEnd
Posts
13255
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Sacramento, CA, USA
FreshTopEnd 6/4/2012 11:25am
6/4/2012 11:25am
I don't think it matters who it is. It's cautionary tale about being aware of the situation and acting accordingly, even if you're in a hurry. No photographers ever want to be the story. And I think there's a difference between making a mistake, which anyone can do with a lapse, and fundamentally lacking judgment. This sounds like it was a case of the former, because the latter group (like the guy you caught at the start at Hangtown Gibby) don't seem to last.

And, after watching the second moto broadcasts, I think it's worth paying attention to where the TV cameras are as well as the riders (riders first, though!!)
toroP
Profile picture for user toroP
Posts
4488
Joined
4/6/2009
Location
Cincinnati, OH, USA
toroP 6/4/2012 11:41am
6/4/2012 11:41am
It's sad, all the name calling here. It's a rather mild situation, this track crossing. A bad choice, not criminal.
And James and every other rider regularly deal with more urgent distractions from other riders, (mistakes,crashes, etc), without crashing.

People here are just always looking for an excuse to tee off on someone.
panic revver 6/4/2012 11:48am
6/4/2012 11:48am
toroP wrote:
It's sad, all the name calling here. It's a rather mild situation, this track crossing. A bad choice, not criminal. And James and every other rider...
It's sad, all the name calling here. It's a rather mild situation, this track crossing. A bad choice, not criminal.
And James and every other rider regularly deal with more urgent distractions from other riders, (mistakes,crashes, etc), without crashing.

People here are just always looking for an excuse to tee off on someone.
In your opinion it is mild, that doesn't mean it is in the same for others. You play it down, others will play it up.

I could be wrong but you seem to be looking for an excuse to voice your opinion that it was James' and only Jame's fault.
ns503
Profile picture for user ns503
Posts
4585
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
NS Toolies, CA
ns503 6/4/2012 11:48am
6/4/2012 11:48am
I have confidence in the proper beat down being given by the proper authorities. Don't think there's any need for an Interweb induced lynching from releasing a name.
Retired
Profile picture for user Retired
Posts
6
Joined
6/4/2012
Location
Broken Arrow, OK, USA
Retired 6/4/2012 12:32pm
6/4/2012 12:32pm
does anyone remember when someone crossed in front of REYNARD at High Point. I think it was a flagger
RexBackman 6/4/2012 12:49pm
6/4/2012 12:49pm
FYI Retired, I believe a Dirt Digger ATV and Reynard collided with each other at Hangtown when he was privateering.
Hut
Profile picture for user Hut
Posts
10281
Joined
4/27/2010
Location
USA
Hut 6/4/2012 12:56pm
6/4/2012 12:56pm
mtnr wrote:
Correct spelling is Moron......
kardy
Profile picture for user kardy
Posts
1232
Joined
8/2/2006
Location
Newport, OR, USA
kardy 6/4/2012 1:32pm
6/4/2012 1:32pm
Retired wrote:
does anyone remember when someone crossed in front of REYNARD at High Point. I think it was a flagger
Yea, and the flagger was riding an ATV at the time...

The Brazilian dude made a supremely dumb move by crossing the track there for sure, but only James really knows if it lead to his crash.

I think everyone that's normally down on the track shooting expects some big changes beginning at High Point...
carlosmacho
Profile picture for user carlosmacho
Posts
1493
Joined
12/8/2009
Location
Lost Wages, NV, USA
carlosmacho 6/4/2012 1:41pm
6/4/2012 1:41pm
toroP wrote:
It's sad, all the name calling here. It's a rather mild situation, this track crossing. A bad choice, not criminal. And James and every other rider...
It's sad, all the name calling here. It's a rather mild situation, this track crossing. A bad choice, not criminal.
And James and every other rider regularly deal with more urgent distractions from other riders, (mistakes,crashes, etc), without crashing.

People here are just always looking for an excuse to tee off on someone.
Bet you would see it different if you were trying to make money, satisfy sponsors and win a race and someone runs in front of you, distracts you and possibly takes you out of the season. If it is your mistake that is one thing, but someone being where they ought not to be causing this problem for you. It would be quite different. Name calling is lame, agreed, by downplaying what happened is almost worse.
Cygnus
Profile picture for user Cygnus
Posts
14845
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
Hanover, CO, USA
Cygnus 6/4/2012 2:05pm
6/4/2012 2:05pm
I just want to know his name so when this kind of shit happens in the future we can give him credit like in king pin and they say wow that guy just pulled a Munson.
TeamGreen
Profile picture for user TeamGreen
Posts
37086
Joined
11/25/2008
Location
Thru-out, CA, USA
TeamGreen 6/4/2012 4:48pm
6/4/2012 4:48pm
The Photog's name IS NOT an issue: the conduct IS & it should be addressed by the Sanctioning Body & Promoters @ the next event...Where they may or may not have a Photog/Press meeting...

At which they may pass out the NEW PHOTO PASSES/CREDENTIALS...
(Or Not passing them to a certain individual, as the case may be...?)

I'm jus' hopin'...

Post a reply to: So who was the moran...