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Edited Date/Time 5/21/2012 5:50am
ok,so per js7,suzuki is not paying him bonus' or a payck. till 2013.
what did the cat rake in with the 2 first place motos .
answer,redbull and the likes give him $ for winning a single race?
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5/20/2012 1:14pm Edited Date/Time 5/20/2012 1:15pm
I would be very surprise if Suzuki doesn't give him bonuses for the wins or if he gets the title.

That being said he's probably still getting close to $500 from his other sponsors: Redbull, Nike, Answer, Bell, and JSE especially if he gets the title.
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5/20/2012 1:18pm
he commented ,suzuki ....no paycheck or bonus' till 2013.
he didnt break it down regarding kind of bonus'
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5/20/2012 1:25pm Edited Date/Time 5/20/2012 1:54pm
zippy895 wrote:
he commented ,suzuki ....no paycheck or bonus' till 2013.
he didnt break it down regarding kind of bonus'
Right. But consider this. Just because Suzuki doesn't pay him bonuses, doesn't mean that Nike, Red Bull, Oakley, Bell Helmets, Answer Racing, etc. aren't.
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5/20/2012 1:32pm
I'll bet he made out with a cool $100.00 after that race.

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5/20/2012 1:47pm Edited Date/Time 5/20/2012 1:48pm
it probably would make most of us sick if we actually knew how much the side sponsors throw at him for wins. he doesn't need factory money to race. Thats probably the smallest part of his income. Just needs the factory equipment.
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5/20/2012 1:52pm
My guess is James is still receiving some type of compensation from Suzuki...Whether its "on the books" or not is another question entirely. If I had to speculate, I'd say James earned more yesterday for going 1-1 than most of us earn in two months of work.

And to be honest, he deserved it. If I had it my way, baseball, football, and basketball players would make less money than our professional racers. With the exception of maybe football, no other sport is even close to the physicality, danger, and skill level as our pro mx'ers. Its a crying shame they don't get paid fairly. A-rod can get 252 million for hitting a baseball in good weather. Hell, he even gets to sit down for the majority of his work. But JS7 and the rest of our pro's go kill themselves for over an hour in blistering heat, rain, snow, etc....for chicken scratch essentially. It's shameful.
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5/20/2012 1:59pm
mxracer450 wrote:
My guess is James is still receiving some type of compensation from Suzuki...Whether its "on the books" or not is another question entirely. If I had...
My guess is James is still receiving some type of compensation from Suzuki...Whether its "on the books" or not is another question entirely. If I had to speculate, I'd say James earned more yesterday for going 1-1 than most of us earn in two months of work.

And to be honest, he deserved it. If I had it my way, baseball, football, and basketball players would make less money than our professional racers. With the exception of maybe football, no other sport is even close to the physicality, danger, and skill level as our pro mx'ers. Its a crying shame they don't get paid fairly. A-rod can get 252 million for hitting a baseball in good weather. Hell, he even gets to sit down for the majority of his work. But JS7 and the rest of our pro's go kill themselves for over an hour in blistering heat, rain, snow, etc....for chicken scratch essentially. It's shameful.
The amount of money professionals make is based off how popular the sport is and how many amateurs play it. Not how extreme it is.

IE. Every kid plays baseball in their lifetime, so they buy the product and watch the pro's......

IE. Nobody rides MX and combined with the cost equals nobody buying the product or watches the pro's.......
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5/20/2012 2:01pm
mxracer450 wrote:
My guess is James is still receiving some type of compensation from Suzuki...Whether its "on the books" or not is another question entirely. If I had...
My guess is James is still receiving some type of compensation from Suzuki...Whether its "on the books" or not is another question entirely. If I had to speculate, I'd say James earned more yesterday for going 1-1 than most of us earn in two months of work.

And to be honest, he deserved it. If I had it my way, baseball, football, and basketball players would make less money than our professional racers. With the exception of maybe football, no other sport is even close to the physicality, danger, and skill level as our pro mx'ers. Its a crying shame they don't get paid fairly. A-rod can get 252 million for hitting a baseball in good weather. Hell, he even gets to sit down for the majority of his work. But JS7 and the rest of our pro's go kill themselves for over an hour in blistering heat, rain, snow, etc....for chicken scratch essentially. It's shameful.
It is a shame, even considering the fact that professional sports payout is primarily based on audience size and demo/sociographics, not skill, merit or level of mortal danger. One would think that a decent audience would turn out for something as exciting and risky as pro motocross, but clearly that's not happening in this world.
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5/20/2012 2:07pm
JS7 will make bank this year, big bank. Like Gibby said all his sponsors will still fork out buckaroos. And if he did something like Reed did a couple years ago for winning the title..... Then BINGO.

With that said I do believe that James isn't making this year about money ( by his standards ), but a guy still gotta get paid.
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5/20/2012 2:11pm
It seems like there was a great turnout yesterday at Hangtown. I wasn't there, but from the live feed it looked like a crap-load of people. I think the bigger problems is that the money that's earned is spread too thin. All of the money from spectators and such goes to the track owners, promoters, etc....and then the riders are last in that line. I don't know if there are any solutions to that problem... But that's just the way i'm viewing it. Am I seeing it wrong? Are there other reasons?

And to be honest....Us fans have it great when it comes to the sport. How much is a ticket to a pro baseball, football, or basketball game? Compare that to the cost of going to a national. I'd venture to guess it's less than 1/5 of the price. I'm not saying i'm for a substantial price increase... But I think the average fan who attends nationals wouldn't have a problem if it were raised a bit.

This sport has a lot of fans and supporters. I don't see any reason why it couldn't be at least as big as the more well known sports. I think a lot of it comes down to TV packages. If more people get to see the sport on a MAINSTREAM television network... That increases exposure, which creates new fans, which means more people will want to attend and/or race. This in turn means more revenue for everyone involved. Even average Joe fans, who may not have any clue about the history of the sport...Will be much more likely to become dedicated fans if they don't have to chance upon the races on obscure channels at odd hours of the night.

This is just my opinion...It may be wrong.. But I seriously think these ideas would help.
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5/20/2012 2:21pm Edited Date/Time 5/20/2012 2:23pm
Car payments and mortgages come every month whether Suzuki is paying him or not. Good thing he's got other Endorsement deals.

I would Imagine GoPro is a pretty good sponsor for him to have since his Videos rack up the hits on YouTube.

I found a little article on him and his income. http://rollingout.com/entertainment/african-american-motorcross-superstar-james-bubba-stewart%E2%80%99s-10-million-dollar-sponsorships/

The article cites a $12,000 series championship purse. Ouch.
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5/20/2012 2:44pm
He can collect Suzuki contingency just like anyone else on yellow, so figure 15K for an event win. AMA purse, figure another 10K per win. Winning every national would net 300K. He could also bet on himself with a Lloyds insurance policy, which, given his lackluster results lately, was probably his best odds/return he's ever come across since his rookie year. Regardless, he's riding for chump change compared to previous seasons, compare it to a company CEO getting a job at Home Depot as a cashier or a teacher in ANY district(they love their job, not the pay).
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5/20/2012 2:54pm
mxracer450 wrote:
It seems like there was a great turnout yesterday at Hangtown. I wasn't there, but from the live feed it looked like a crap-load of people...
It seems like there was a great turnout yesterday at Hangtown. I wasn't there, but from the live feed it looked like a crap-load of people. I think the bigger problems is that the money that's earned is spread too thin. All of the money from spectators and such goes to the track owners, promoters, etc....and then the riders are last in that line. I don't know if there are any solutions to that problem... But that's just the way i'm viewing it. Am I seeing it wrong? Are there other reasons?

And to be honest....Us fans have it great when it comes to the sport. How much is a ticket to a pro baseball, football, or basketball game? Compare that to the cost of going to a national. I'd venture to guess it's less than 1/5 of the price. I'm not saying i'm for a substantial price increase... But I think the average fan who attends nationals wouldn't have a problem if it were raised a bit.

This sport has a lot of fans and supporters. I don't see any reason why it couldn't be at least as big as the more well known sports. I think a lot of it comes down to TV packages. If more people get to see the sport on a MAINSTREAM television network... That increases exposure, which creates new fans, which means more people will want to attend and/or race. This in turn means more revenue for everyone involved. Even average Joe fans, who may not have any clue about the history of the sport...Will be much more likely to become dedicated fans if they don't have to chance upon the races on obscure channels at odd hours of the night.

This is just my opinion...It may be wrong.. But I seriously think these ideas would help.
I was there, and it looked like a great turnout for outdoor motocross standards. I don't know what the official count was, but I wouldn't be surprised if it topped 20k. But I also went to both Anaheims, where they had twice as many people, and I gotta tell you that the supercross events were better entertainment deals, even though the tickets were almost twice the price (I paid $75 for my A1 ticket and $40 at Hangtown). Of course, the racing at Hangtown, from the track to the riders, was far superior to supercross... but a $40 ticket at a National doesn't include such things as a seat in the shade with a view of the whole track. Fortunately for some, Hangtown offered VIP tickets that did include just that. I wasn't that fortunate Wink

As far as pro baseball, you can get Angels or Dodgers tickets pretty cheap, like $20 bucks.

The only way to increase purses and rider pay across the board is to sell compensation-specific sponsorships. Which is easier said than done, obviously.
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5/20/2012 3:05pm
Pdub wrote:
I was there, and it looked like a great turnout for outdoor motocross standards. I don't know what the official count was, but I wouldn't be...
I was there, and it looked like a great turnout for outdoor motocross standards. I don't know what the official count was, but I wouldn't be surprised if it topped 20k. But I also went to both Anaheims, where they had twice as many people, and I gotta tell you that the supercross events were better entertainment deals, even though the tickets were almost twice the price (I paid $75 for my A1 ticket and $40 at Hangtown). Of course, the racing at Hangtown, from the track to the riders, was far superior to supercross... but a $40 ticket at a National doesn't include such things as a seat in the shade with a view of the whole track. Fortunately for some, Hangtown offered VIP tickets that did include just that. I wasn't that fortunate Wink

As far as pro baseball, you can get Angels or Dodgers tickets pretty cheap, like $20 bucks.

The only way to increase purses and rider pay across the board is to sell compensation-specific sponsorships. Which is easier said than done, obviously.
It's really that much? I had no idea. I'm used to the tracks here on the east coast. I know at Muddy Creek, which is fairly large national track in Tennessee. They hold the ATVA nationals and a lot of other big races there. Gate fees are only like $10 bucks for spectators. The racers are the ones who have to come off of $40 to $50.

I honestly had no idea they charged that much for the dirtbike nationals. Is that the venue of Hangtown that sets those prices? Or is it the AMA/Feld/whoever promotes that event?
5/20/2012 3:14pm
zippy895 wrote:
he commented ,suzuki ....no paycheck or bonus' till 2013.
he didnt break it down regarding kind of bonus'
GuyB wrote:
Right. But consider this. Just because Suzuki doesn't pay him bonuses, doesn't mean that Nike, Red Bull, Oakley, Bell Helmets, Answer Racing, etc. aren't.
Isn't he is getting a salary from all those sponsors too? Sheesh, he's got his own "signature line" of gear. I doubt he is "reping" all his sponsors just for bonuses. Between the contingency money from Suzuki, the AMA purse, and his bonus money from sponsors, I'd bet he made as much money last weekend as most of us make in 6 months...maybe a year.

What I've always wondered is how much has he makes/made from his TV show Bubba's World? Being a famous/successful motocross racer is one thing, having your own TV show is in another zip code. Plus, he's got to be raking in royalties every time they rerun those shows, like, a dozen times every week.

In any event, I really doubt Stewy is strapped for cash these days....
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5/20/2012 3:16pm
I wonder if he has an insurance plan like Reed did when he rode for Suzuki outdoors.
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5/20/2012 3:37pm
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It's really that much? I had no idea. I'm used to the tracks here on the east coast. I know at Muddy Creek, which is fairly...
It's really that much? I had no idea. I'm used to the tracks here on the east coast. I know at Muddy Creek, which is fairly large national track in Tennessee. They hold the ATVA nationals and a lot of other big races there. Gate fees are only like $10 bucks for spectators. The racers are the ones who have to come off of $40 to $50.

I honestly had no idea they charged that much for the dirtbike nationals. Is that the venue of Hangtown that sets those prices? Or is it the AMA/Feld/whoever promotes that event?
From the Hangtown MX website:

They sold the "Superticket" for $300 (not including ticket fee):

Deluxe Assigned Tent Seating on Starting line
Special Pit Tour and All Day/Hot Pit Access
Continental food throughout the Amateur Program and Pro Morning, Full Lunch Buffet on Pro Day
Premiere parking
Guest gift package

They also sold VIP and Infield seats at $125 and $175, respectively. Only general admission was $40. But come on, we're talking about the fastest dirt bike racers on the planet.
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5/20/2012 3:46pm
Pdub wrote:
From the [url=http://www.hangtownmx.com/Tickets.html]Hangtown MX website[/url]: They sold the "Superticket" for $300 (not including ticket fee): Deluxe Assigned Tent Seating on Starting line Special Pit Tour and...
From the Hangtown MX website:

They sold the "Superticket" for $300 (not including ticket fee):

Deluxe Assigned Tent Seating on Starting line
Special Pit Tour and All Day/Hot Pit Access
Continental food throughout the Amateur Program and Pro Morning, Full Lunch Buffet on Pro Day
Premiere parking
Guest gift package

They also sold VIP and Infield seats at $125 and $175, respectively. Only general admission was $40. But come on, we're talking about the fastest dirt bike racers on the planet.
Hey, I'm all for a $40 to $50 ticket/admission fee. But I think we can all agree that anything over $100 is just a little exorbitant. Unless there are some really awesome perks that go along with it like pit access, swag such as shirts/memorabilia, and nice seating in the shade plus some concessions. That would be worth that kind of money.

Otherwise it seems like a rip off. Because I think you know as well as I do that the cut the actual riders get out of that is probably woeful at best. I think the higher ups and promoters seem to forget who it is they work for exactly. No riders = no paycheck. No one is gonna pay to watch some locals putt putt around the track. These guys deserve more respect imo....That includes the promoters, the track owners, as well as the mainstream media. It's time for our sport to ditch the bad boy/extreme athlete image and adopt one of professionalism, admiration, and responsibility.

Just imagine if we had the kind of atmosphere that the F1 racers enjoy in other countries. Anyone who thinks they don't deserve that type of atmosphere is kidding themselves, or has a personal vendetta against the sport.
5/20/2012 3:59pm
well like i posted awhile back, a guy like dean wilson gets 80K for a goggle contract.
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well like i posted awhile back, a guy like dean wilson gets 80K for a goggle contract.
I mean that's awesome and all... But the National series is where the money should be. The guy in 20th place doesn't have a 80k goggle contract to fall back on. He rely's on the purse money to get back and forth from the races in his Sprinter van and eat a McDouble. It's not fair.
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5/20/2012 4:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/20/2012 4:12pm
well like i posted awhile back, a guy like dean wilson gets 80K for a goggle contract.
mxracer450 wrote:
I mean that's awesome and all... But the National series is where the money should be. The guy in 20th place doesn't have a 80k goggle...
I mean that's awesome and all... But the National series is where the money should be. The guy in 20th place doesn't have a 80k goggle contract to fall back on. He rely's on the purse money to get back and forth from the races in his Sprinter van and eat a McDouble. It's not fair.
Most 20th place guys from my experience are not making it to and from races off purse money. Most have some help from someone, and many have a side job.

When we did them we had help from an MX shop, friends/family/me and the kid also had a job at a car shop when he was done training. It was the best time of our lifes even so and I don't think we ever felt the AMA/MXsports owed us anything more than what they did. If you want the money/support put in the results.
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5/20/2012 5:02pm
What's his Pay Pall addy? We can all send him a few bucks to help with expenses, it's the least we can do.
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Sherwood wrote:
Most 20th place guys from my experience are not making it to and from races off purse money. Most have some help from someone, and many...
Most 20th place guys from my experience are not making it to and from races off purse money. Most have some help from someone, and many have a side job.

When we did them we had help from an MX shop, friends/family/me and the kid also had a job at a car shop when he was done training. It was the best time of our lifes even so and I don't think we ever felt the AMA/MXsports owed us anything more than what they did. If you want the money/support put in the results.
Fair enough. I guess I just wish they were better cared for and looked after then they currently are. I don't think anyone would be against more money for them. Especially themselves.
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5/20/2012 6:21pm
Rizzo wrote:
He can collect Suzuki contingency just like anyone else on yellow, so figure 15K for an event win. AMA purse, figure another 10K per win. Winning...
He can collect Suzuki contingency just like anyone else on yellow, so figure 15K for an event win. AMA purse, figure another 10K per win. Winning every national would net 300K. He could also bet on himself with a Lloyds insurance policy, which, given his lackluster results lately, was probably his best odds/return he's ever come across since his rookie year. Regardless, he's riding for chump change compared to previous seasons, compare it to a company CEO getting a job at Home Depot as a cashier or a teacher in ANY district(they love their job, not the pay).
Except Suzuki doesn't pay contingency anymore for sx or outdoors. Love that economy.
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5/20/2012 11:17pm
Rizzo wrote:
He can collect Suzuki contingency just like anyone else on yellow, so figure 15K for an event win. AMA purse, figure another 10K per win. Winning...
He can collect Suzuki contingency just like anyone else on yellow, so figure 15K for an event win. AMA purse, figure another 10K per win. Winning every national would net 300K. He could also bet on himself with a Lloyds insurance policy, which, given his lackluster results lately, was probably his best odds/return he's ever come across since his rookie year. Regardless, he's riding for chump change compared to previous seasons, compare it to a company CEO getting a job at Home Depot as a cashier or a teacher in ANY district(they love their job, not the pay).
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Except Suzuki doesn't pay contingency anymore for sx or outdoors. Love that economy.
OOpps, forgot about that, that was the blue team, right. Perhaps some poker can make up the difference, you could mentor him. Dade City pays more than a National, gotta love that.
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5/21/2012 4:39am
What is payout for the Nationals?
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bullpen58 wrote:
I'll bet he made out with a cool $100.00 after that race.
That much eh?...too funny!

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