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Only $10 for all 2026 SX, MX, and SMX series.
As for 5 year journeyman setting up units. You are wasting their talents, you must pay really, really well.
Almost ALL mx bikes come with a 30 day warranty, read the fine print, for engine malfunction but it must be able to be proved it was a factory defect.
Friend bought a RMZ 2 years ago, about 30 mins of riding, blew the motor, found out the "dealer" had "broke in" his motor, Suzuki refused to pay for it.........After careful negotiations (threatened to sue based on defect in the cooling passages), and the dealer and factory splitting the cost, Travis now owns a 2 yr old RMZ with a brand new motor (fixed a couple months ago, 18 months after it blew up) with 30 minutes of riding on it. Actually I think he traded it in on a new KXF a month or so ago.
And as for your customers, I am glad they return and feel they got a "FAIR" deal. Dealerships have to make money, and I need to feel I didn;t get bent over. Nothing wrong with honest profit. And I return to the same dealer that sells me bikes because of yours/theirs business attitude.
But since your on here...............Lets comment on that Doc Fee portion, shall we. Care to make a statement on how wrong I am about those............
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Out the door cash price is all that matters at the end of the deal.....
Tracktor has a good opinion. Why should you care how the dealer slices it up? Look at the bottom line and pay what you feel is fair. Freight, setup, DOC, tax & license are all real, actual fees, but they are rarely what the dealer actually pays for them.
Dealers do pay freight to get units to their shops. They also do pay their technicians to assemble and or/ PDI the units. It is fair for them to ask for a reasonable return on those costs. (By the way, here in SoCal, it is common practice to ask anywhere from $750 to $1,000 as a markup on a full-sixe MX bike, disguised as F&S - obviously, it doesn't cost the dealer anywhere near that amount to pay the freight and to prep the bike!)
Documentation fees are not required by the state or the feds. They are ALLOWED by those entities, with a maximum. I believe the max in CA is currently $45, although it may have gone up since I last purchased a vehicle.
Tax and license are set fees that have to be paid. Either you pay them, or the dealer does and it comes out of the profit margin.
It is definitely 100% illegal to pass the fees of a credit card purchase on to a consumer. Just be forewarned that the dealer will consider your payment method when giving you your "best deal" on the bike. Guys who finance or pay in cash almost always pay less for their bikes by precisely the amount that the credit card fees would have cost. Strange how that works, isn't it?
A dealer can ASK whatever price he sees fit for a bike. You can agree to it like a sheep, tell him to pound sand like a jerk, or present him with a different offer and see if he'll take it. I often just give them a "no offense" offer. I say "I am willing to pay $X. If you don't want to go for it, hey, no offense, I understand. But you and I both know SOMEBODY will take that deal. Wanna sell a bike today?"
By the way, dealers do not make wheelbarrows full of money on MX bikes, as strange as it may seem. Do not offer a dealer $4,000 for a new 450 and get upset when he throws you out of his shop. Basically, on a unit with no additional rebates or incentives, if you can pay out the door what the MSRP is, you got a pretty good deal.
And this basically brings us back to my original response. If you can get the bike for a little under or at retail, OTD, then you did OK.
Anyway my oringal response was " If you can get it OTD for a couple under retail you did good and retail OTD you did OK" or something to that effect.
2nd paragraph: When you fill out the PDI sheet that every bike is supposed to have completed during assembly/setup you are confirming that you did exactly those things such as checking oil levels, adjusting tire pressure, checking spokes, brakes torque of chassis fasteners, etc.
3rd paragraph: KTM is the only manufacturer I deal with that actually puts air filter oil on their filters. All others have a light oil on them so the foam doesn't break down. If your shop isn't oiling the filters with air filter oil they are putting their customer's bikes at risk of catastrophic failure in a very short amount of time.
4th paragraph: You cannot void a warranty by torquing parts, how did you even come up with that one? Back to the first paragraph you are signing that you DID check those things, if you don't check them you are leaving yourself open to a lawsuit. Doing it in no way opens you up to a lawsuit, again where are you coming up with this?
6th paragraph: Yea, again, you are supposed to run the motor and test ride. It doesn't require breaking the motor in but what do you think running the motor to check for leaks and proper running does?
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