What is happening with AMA riders

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7/2/2008 5:57am Edited Date/Time 7/2/2008 6:03am
mxgeoff wrote:
I just was told by two or three team managers that they are dealing with AMA riders to come to europe. That is pretty much all...
I just was told by two or three team managers that they are dealing with AMA riders to come to europe. That is pretty much all they would tell. Harry Ainsworth did say he spoke with Jeff Alessi, Hamblin, and a couple of others.

Geoff
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There must be another Sean Hamblin out there because I havent spoke to anyone back in Europe other than my old mechanic in the UK! News...
There must be another Sean Hamblin out there because I havent spoke to anyone back in Europe other than my old mechanic in the UK! News to me!! Geoff maybe ask them to get in touch with me so we can settle some misconception.



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mxgeoff wrote:
Hahahahaha.

Better call Harry Ainsworth then, he was the one that told me you contacted him. Are you still interested in coming to europe.



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Although I haven't spoken to anyone in Europe yet, I'm interested in racing the GP's. Even though I'm 49 and just recovering from total knee replacement, I think I can still make a pretty good living racing GP's as long as I can find some team with deep pockets. Smile
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Didn't short just have a kid? He ain't going anywhere.
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Although I haven't spoken to anyone in Europe yet, I'm interested in racing the GP's. Even though I'm 49 and just recovering from total knee replacement...
Although I haven't spoken to anyone in Europe yet, I'm interested in racing the GP's. Even though I'm 49 and just recovering from total knee replacement, I think I can still make a pretty good living racing GP's as long as I can find some team with deep pockets. Smile
I know, I can still mop up 30+ at the local fair races. That has to command some kind of start money.

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Just having a US passport should be worth a couple grand in start money. Add in some incentives from Youthstream for not passing any Euro's on the track and I think I might be able to make a living doing that.
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Tell the truth Geoff the Teams are not happy with it at all. How do you go from paying start money to paying a Purse to...
Tell the truth Geoff the Teams are not happy with it at all.

How do you go from paying start money to paying a Purse to paying nothing and now it's 10,000 Euro a year per rider to race ?

You got one hell of a set of rose colored glasses

500 guy.

Riders still make good start money from racing Belgian championship, or some Internationals.

The top riders in europe (I mean the Coppins, Philippaerts, Cairoli, De Dyckers, Strijbos and so on) are making more money than they ever did. Get your facts right.

The riders don't pay the 10,000, the teams do, and it's for things to make the paddock better, more proffesional. Some teams actually are really happy with the idea's.

If you don't know the full deal don't start on about it.

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Geoff, What kinds of improvements are they making to the paddock?

Are they things that get moved from track to track each week or are they permanent fixtures at each track? I can't see the teams willingly wanting to invest in improvements to specific tracks when those tracks may not be around long term.
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mxgeoff wrote:
I heard on the weekend that many teams in europe are getting a lot of calls from AMA rider managers. What is the word over there...
I heard on the weekend that many teams in europe are getting a lot of calls from AMA rider managers.

What is the word over there. I even heard Short was talking about coming over to europe. Now that would be really cool.

Geoff
I think Mills got paid, and maybe Brown also.

It is easy for riders to say they didn't get paid and then go home without feeling like they quite.

Geoff
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NetMXer wrote:
Just having a US passport should be worth a couple grand in start money. Add in some incentives from Youthstream for not passing any Euro's on...
Just having a US passport should be worth a couple grand in start money. Add in some incentives from Youthstream for not passing any Euro's on the track and I think I might be able to make a living doing that.


Thanks for the laughs guys...cracking up here.


Did people like Brown and others really get shilled in Europe like they do here in the states?
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mxgeoff wrote:
I heard on the weekend that many teams in europe are getting a lot of calls from AMA rider managers. What is the word over there...
I heard on the weekend that many teams in europe are getting a lot of calls from AMA rider managers.

What is the word over there. I even heard Short was talking about coming over to europe. Now that would be really cool.

Geoff
mxgeoff wrote:
I think Mills got paid, and maybe Brown also. It is easy for riders to say they didn't get paid and then go home without feeling...
I think Mills got paid, and maybe Brown also.

It is easy for riders to say they didn't get paid and then go home without feeling like they quite.

Geoff
I guess there are 2+ sides to every story, but it's very possible you are wrong.
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mccread wrote:
I think anyone that wants to ride outdoors and not supercross or hasnt got a factory SX deal will want to ride GPs it is the...
I think anyone that wants to ride outdoors and not supercross or hasnt got a factory SX deal will want to ride GPs it is the premier outdoor series in the world right now... but the US guys need to realise its not the cakewalk that most fans think it is it is harder for them than a US national series imo. Only Hamblin and Brown have done decent in GPs... and all you guys said they were washed up when u seen their reults in the GPs and they go back and do awesome in the states...
well mcread, when you are a racer with pride and HAVE TO go race in Europe where you don't want to be in the first place your pride takes a hit as does your mental racing strength.

I always wanted to race the WC's and that was my main goal because that was where the best series was back in the day. These days are different it seems.

Generally, some riders WANT TO COME race in the USA from abroad.

Generally, NOT ONE RIDER from here WANTS to RACE IN EUROPE.

Do you agree?
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Well, what is the whole story, Geoff, so we can talk about it? It'd be interesting to hear frank discussions from the people who received it well and the people who didn't. I heard about it through someone in France a couple weeks ago, and it sounded like folks really felt it was a tax without a benefit to the teams or riders, and that some people were seeing it as a replay of the events a couple years ago that led to the rise and fall of MxTag.
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mccread wrote:
I think anyone that wants to ride outdoors and not supercross or hasnt got a factory SX deal will want to ride GPs it is the...
I think anyone that wants to ride outdoors and not supercross or hasnt got a factory SX deal will want to ride GPs it is the premier outdoor series in the world right now... but the US guys need to realise its not the cakewalk that most fans think it is it is harder for them than a US national series imo. Only Hamblin and Brown have done decent in GPs... and all you guys said they were washed up when u seen their reults in the GPs and they go back and do awesome in the states...
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well mcread, when you are a racer with pride and HAVE TO go race in Europe where you don't want to be in the first place...
well mcread, when you are a racer with pride and HAVE TO go race in Europe where you don't want to be in the first place your pride takes a hit as does your mental racing strength.

I always wanted to race the WC's and that was my main goal because that was where the best series was back in the day. These days are different it seems.

Generally, some riders WANT TO COME race in the USA from abroad.

Generally, NOT ONE RIDER from here WANTS to RACE IN EUROPE.

Do you agree?
yea I agree but I think they don't want to go becasue it is alot harder than racing their own SX and MX series in their own country. If it was as easy as some here make it out to be I think more would come like in the late 80s early 90 when top US guys had success here, since then though they haven't had much success. so less riders want to come. And the ones that do havent succeeded except Brown and to a degree Hamblin I think the guys that do come need to realise the series is as tough as the nationals maybe tougher for them with the new tracks countries food etc.

Also the US doesn't give it any media cover age if they covered the GPs as much as they do the US stuff and covered the US stuff ans little as they do the GPs the riders would be more educated about it and want to race them I think, like in your day. In contrast media around the world embrace the US stuff and see the glamour so riders from around the world want to go there... I would too!

I think that is slowly changing esp with the economy and the internet. Becasue bar JBS I dont think any US rider would have an easy time in the World Championship even RV would have it tougher against AC than he does in the nationals, that would be an awesome series...
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I think that until any series steps up and establishes a huge championship purse, riders will just choose to race wherever they can get the best deal. If the results dictated their earnings, and those earnings were more than any team offered, riders would be jumping at the chance to race that series.
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Yup. Funny how that work, people going where they get paid most. The corollary is that the series where guys make the money is the premier series. Kind of tautological. Doesn't mean it's inherently the best representation of motocross (thinking of SX here).

The thing that struck me as odd regarding YS making a play for the US Nationals is that it doesn't need to in order to offer a premier series that supercedes even SX (unless controlling a competitor was a lower cost option). YS has the FIM rights to run GPs in countries around the world. There's nothing to stop YS from investing the money to take the sport to another level.
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Yup. Funny how that work, people going where they get paid most. The corollary is that the series where guys make the money is the premier...
Yup. Funny how that work, people going where they get paid most. The corollary is that the series where guys make the money is the premier series. Kind of tautological. Doesn't mean it's inherently the best representation of motocross (thinking of SX here).

The thing that struck me as odd regarding YS making a play for the US Nationals is that it doesn't need to in order to offer a premier series that supercedes even SX (unless controlling a competitor was a lower cost option). YS has the FIM rights to run GPs in countries around the world. There's nothing to stop YS from investing the money to take the sport to another level.
The problem is YS wants the teams to invest the money to take the sport to new levels seems YS does not want to pay out of its own pocket though.
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Maybe Youthstream should just cancel the entry fee and change it to a $1000 parking fee per event. If the teams don't like the fee, they're free to park out in the back lot with the spectators and not make use of the paddock improvements.
7/2/2008 11:29am
Tiki wrote:
They like the VIP tents in Europe better then USA.

Damn that Hamblin and Brown! It was a secret until they came back and told everyone.
mxgeoff wrote:
What secret would that be. I said it before, Americans are faster in America and Europeans faster in europe. No secret. Hamblin was pretty average here...
What secret would that be.

I said it before, Americans are faster in America and Europeans faster in europe. No secret. Hamblin was pretty average here, but he is rocking back home.

Geoff
I guess we will find out at this years MXDN now won't we...One of the reasons Sean is going so fast is that he is riding the correct class now. The other is that he had been living at Grant Langston's house prior to the start of the AMA Nationals riding and training with him to get ready. When you ride with someone faster, you go faster! I think there is also something to be said about being at home in the good ole' USA. Ge got em Sean! BTW, Ricky is faster no matter where he is (or I should say was).
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"I think there is also something to be said about being at home in the good ole' USA."

And likewise for those at home in Europe, which I think was Geoff's point.

The real tier 1A guys, which probably number 10 or so total across all classes and series here and there, are going to haul ass anywhere and be on the very best equipment everywhere.
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GP's suck. They don't even have double jumps.
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Hey Twizzler...have you heard from Sommo ?

I have a job offer for him, and his phone is off
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twizzler wrote:
GP's suck. They don't even have double jumps.
Yes they do
Shows what you know
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Tiki wrote:
They like the VIP tents in Europe better then USA.

Damn that Hamblin and Brown! It was a secret until they came back and told everyone.
mxgeoff wrote:
What secret would that be. I said it before, Americans are faster in America and Europeans faster in europe. No secret. Hamblin was pretty average here...
What secret would that be.

I said it before, Americans are faster in America and Europeans faster in europe. No secret. Hamblin was pretty average here, but he is rocking back home.

Geoff
I guess we will find out at this years MXDN now won't we...One of the reasons Sean is going so fast is that he is riding...
I guess we will find out at this years MXDN now won't we...One of the reasons Sean is going so fast is that he is riding the correct class now. The other is that he had been living at Grant Langston's house prior to the start of the AMA Nationals riding and training with him to get ready. When you ride with someone faster, you go faster! I think there is also something to be said about being at home in the good ole' USA. Ge got em Sean! BTW, Ricky is faster no matter where he is (or I should say was).
i didn't even think GL was back on a bike....is he?
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He was at the time Bobby. Only until GH did he have to pack it in with the collarbone. We rode quite a bit, but also I had Wil Hahn and Josh Grant to ride with on a daily basis as well.


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mxgeoff wrote:
I just was told by two or three team managers that they are dealing with AMA riders to come to europe. That is pretty much all...
I just was told by two or three team managers that they are dealing with AMA riders to come to europe. That is pretty much all they would tell. Harry Ainsworth did say he spoke with Jeff Alessi, Hamblin, and a couple of others.

Geoff
SH_105 wrote:
There must be another Sean Hamblin out there because I havent spoke to anyone back in Europe other than my old mechanic in the UK! News...
There must be another Sean Hamblin out there because I havent spoke to anyone back in Europe other than my old mechanic in the UK! News to me!! Geoff maybe ask them to get in touch with me so we can settle some misconception.



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mxGeoff it looks like you lost the little bit of credibility you had left
As Homer simpson says DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mxgeoff wrote:
I just was told by two or three team managers that they are dealing with AMA riders to come to europe. That is pretty much all...
I just was told by two or three team managers that they are dealing with AMA riders to come to europe. That is pretty much all they would tell. Harry Ainsworth did say he spoke with Jeff Alessi, Hamblin, and a couple of others.

Geoff
SH_105 wrote:
There must be another Sean Hamblin out there because I havent spoke to anyone back in Europe other than my old mechanic in the UK! News...
There must be another Sean Hamblin out there because I havent spoke to anyone back in Europe other than my old mechanic in the UK! News to me!! Geoff maybe ask them to get in touch with me so we can settle some misconception.



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mxGeoff it looks like you lost the little bit of credibility you had left
As Homer simpson says DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Mr Ainsworth tells me he has contact with riders, should I believe him or not. As it seems now, I shouldn't. If Sean says he didn't have contact with Europe should I believe him or not. I mean I have dealt with my share or riders who say one thing and do another.

I am not saying Sean did have contact with CAS, what I am saying is it is hard to believe anyone anymore.

Probably best if I just don't say anything, you guys can work it out for yourselves it seems.

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Jiff-

No one can handle any news over here. All they want to read is ass kissing or shit that makes them feel good.

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