Why is Malcolm being fined!?!

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As I understand it, before Malcolm got to Bogle, he'd also had similar contact with Wharton just prior.

Trying to make the pass (and do it cleanly) is one thing. What happened in that one was something else. I think the interpretation was that he didn't just want to make the pass, he wanted to make sure there wasn't an attempt at a re-pass.

As for Bogle, I hear the team did their own chewing out before he got to the AMA truck.

I was also told that Malcolm got a big chewing out from his dad in the tunnel afterward, and that might be considered a harsher punishment than the $500. The big thing here is that the people handing out punishments want to see the behavior change. If it doesn't, there are bigger and badder punishments that can be dished out.
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I am rather unimpressed with RX actually running a redneck Tivo replay clip on their site of the incident.
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GuyB wrote:
As I understand it, before Malcolm got to Bogle, he'd also had similar contact with Wharton just prior. Trying to make the pass (and do it...
As I understand it, before Malcolm got to Bogle, he'd also had similar contact with Wharton just prior.

Trying to make the pass (and do it cleanly) is one thing. What happened in that one was something else. I think the interpretation was that he didn't just want to make the pass, he wanted to make sure there wasn't an attempt at a re-pass.

As for Bogle, I hear the team did their own chewing out before he got to the AMA truck.

I was also told that Malcolm got a big chewing out from his dad in the tunnel afterward, and that might be considered a harsher punishment than the $500. The big thing here is that the people handing out punishments want to see the behavior change. If it doesn't, there are bigger and badder punishments that can be dished out.
Can you shed some light on this for us, Gibby? If they're concerned about Mookie making contact in two corners, why haven't they done anything with Barcia?

I don't think Stewart did anything wrong, and I'm fine with Barcia's riding - but, Barcia does the same thing that Stewart did on EVERY pass he makes in a corner. If the rider he's passing doesn't check up, Barcia's back wheel is right where their front wheel would be. Why punish Malcolm for two aggressive passes, and not punish Barcia for a whole career full of them?
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GuyB wrote:
As I understand it, before Malcolm got to Bogle, he'd also had similar contact with Wharton just prior. Trying to make the pass (and do it...
As I understand it, before Malcolm got to Bogle, he'd also had similar contact with Wharton just prior.

Trying to make the pass (and do it cleanly) is one thing. What happened in that one was something else. I think the interpretation was that he didn't just want to make the pass, he wanted to make sure there wasn't an attempt at a re-pass.

As for Bogle, I hear the team did their own chewing out before he got to the AMA truck.

I was also told that Malcolm got a big chewing out from his dad in the tunnel afterward, and that might be considered a harsher punishment than the $500. The big thing here is that the people handing out punishments want to see the behavior change. If it doesn't, there are bigger and badder punishments that can be dished out.
Thaaaaat is a really, really weak backup for Malcolm's fine. If it were Barcia I'm sure that nothing would have been done.


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Grieby54 wrote:
Can you shed some light on this for us, Gibby? If they're concerned about Mookie making contact in two corners, why haven't they done anything with...
Can you shed some light on this for us, Gibby? If they're concerned about Mookie making contact in two corners, why haven't they done anything with Barcia?

I don't think Stewart did anything wrong, and I'm fine with Barcia's riding - but, Barcia does the same thing that Stewart did on EVERY pass he makes in a corner. If the rider he's passing doesn't check up, Barcia's back wheel is right where their front wheel would be. Why punish Malcolm for two aggressive passes, and not punish Barcia for a whole career full of them?
I wasn't in the infield there, so I don't know. But I talked with people who had eyeballs on it. Apparently they saw a difference.
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2/20/2012 3:46pm Edited Date/Time 2/20/2012 4:33pm
GuyB wrote:
As I understand it, before Malcolm got to Bogle, he'd also had similar contact with Wharton just prior. Trying to make the pass (and do it...
As I understand it, before Malcolm got to Bogle, he'd also had similar contact with Wharton just prior.

Trying to make the pass (and do it cleanly) is one thing. What happened in that one was something else. I think the interpretation was that he didn't just want to make the pass, he wanted to make sure there wasn't an attempt at a re-pass.

As for Bogle, I hear the team did their own chewing out before he got to the AMA truck.

I was also told that Malcolm got a big chewing out from his dad in the tunnel afterward, and that might be considered a harsher punishment than the $500. The big thing here is that the people handing out punishments want to see the behavior change. If it doesn't, there are bigger and badder punishments that can be dished out.
Grieby54 wrote:
Can you shed some light on this for us, Gibby? If they're concerned about Mookie making contact in two corners, why haven't they done anything with...
Can you shed some light on this for us, Gibby? If they're concerned about Mookie making contact in two corners, why haven't they done anything with Barcia?

I don't think Stewart did anything wrong, and I'm fine with Barcia's riding - but, Barcia does the same thing that Stewart did on EVERY pass he makes in a corner. If the rider he's passing doesn't check up, Barcia's back wheel is right where their front wheel would be. Why punish Malcolm for two aggressive passes, and not punish Barcia for a whole career full of them?
Great point on Barcia .. how many times did he run into Wilson last season both in SX and outdoors? ... and how about Hansen taking out any rider in front of him last year during the West SX?

Anyway .. I wouldn't want or expect any of these riders to be fined. A racer needs to protect his inside ... realizing that the rider who controls the inside controls the corner.

A block pass means the overtaking rider blocks the forward progress of the rider being overtaken ... and that is exactly what Reed did to Stewart in Atlanta last year and what Malcomb did to Bogle in Dallas. Basically, the rider being overtaken is forced to either slow down or run into the blocking rider ... In both cases cited above, the rider being overtaken didn't slow down and ran into the blocking rider causing each to fall ... oh well ... that's racing...
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2/20/2012 3:50pm Edited Date/Time 2/20/2012 3:53pm
500 bucks barely buys a good pair of boots anymore.....who gives a f*ck

this fine just makes for a bigger shitstorm out of an already awesome incident
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500 bucks barely buys a good pair of boots anymore.....who gives a f*ck this fine just makes for a bigger shitstorm out of an already awesome...
500 bucks barely buys a good pair of boots anymore.....who gives a f*ck

this fine just makes for a bigger shitstorm out of an already awesome incident
It's not about the amount of money it is about the officiating body treating riders fairly.


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We Need JODY WEISEL or BOB HANNAH to be Head of AMA or at least over see the supercross and Motocross and Events across the Country.


The fined was complete BS, AMA I think is hurting for money but 500 bucks is nothing to these guys.
Yea chad reed should have been fined.

But the old saying Racing is Racing and thats Racing. Thats why chad reed wasn't fined and justin and malcom shouldn't be fined.

alot of local series accross the country is pulling out of ama.
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2/20/2012 4:09pm
GuyB wrote:
As I understand it, before Malcolm got to Bogle, he'd also had similar contact with Wharton just prior. Trying to make the pass (and do it...
As I understand it, before Malcolm got to Bogle, he'd also had similar contact with Wharton just prior.

Trying to make the pass (and do it cleanly) is one thing. What happened in that one was something else. I think the interpretation was that he didn't just want to make the pass, he wanted to make sure there wasn't an attempt at a re-pass.

As for Bogle, I hear the team did their own chewing out before he got to the AMA truck.

I was also told that Malcolm got a big chewing out from his dad in the tunnel afterward, and that might be considered a harsher punishment than the $500. The big thing here is that the people handing out punishments want to see the behavior change. If it doesn't, there are bigger and badder punishments that can be dished out.
Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re-pass. This is racing. Its a short series with too many contenders. Malcolm could have easily removed some stiff competition from title contention.


"The big thing here is that the people handing out punishments want to see the behavior change"

Really? Whats the over/under on how many times we see last weekends take-out moves shown in an effort to hype the next race? The powers that be cant have it both ways on this.

And their is significant favortism going on when Durham is allowed to do much worse to a Rockstar sponsored rider.
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Ahh, I see the ladyboys and queers are running strong on this. Starting from Coyote and Coon44, you guys must be the riff-raff that brings up...
Ahh, I see the ladyboys and queers are running strong on this. Starting from Coyote and Coon44, you guys must be the riff-raff that brings up the rear at the local C class races. I can see this is your very first season of watching MX/SX. It is tough to see 'fans' reacting this way to....racing. Go back. WAAAAY back to this very sports roots.....then go thru all the 70's, 80's....these moves were taking place with great vigor before you ass clowns were even swimming in your daddy's balls.

I DON't want to see sterile, non-contact racing from my sport. (AMA queers take notice). If you fine ANY of that from Saturday, you might as well retrograde it and go after every racer to throw a boot over a bike. Remember the French slapping incidents of years past? If anything, it proved these idiots can't fight, even on the track.

So Fans of this beloved sport....if you didn't like the move itself.....say so and be prepared for the fallout of real racers and real fans that know better and enjoy some contact every now and then. If you don't like the rider (which is clear you don't), say so.......and be done with it.

Coyote and Coon44 (Im sure there were more after you as well), DON'T come on here and cheapen our sport with your poser comments about take-out moves and the like. You make yourself look fucking stupid and completely misinformed on what has taken place for the decades of MX leading up to your throwing on a Skin Industries shirt and claiming knowledge. Go away posers. The end.
Poser comments? Im just expressing my opinion you idiot calm down
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How the F was Bubba blind sided by Reed? Reed is in FRONT. Bubba ran into him. The guy in the back has the responsibility to...
How the F was Bubba blind sided by Reed? Reed is in FRONT. Bubba ran into him. The guy in the back has the responsibility to pass safely.
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:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: Lets all be responsible when we go to make our pass.:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: FGR01 you are a retard.This is racing not high school...
Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo Lets all be responsible when we go to make our pass.Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo
FGR01 you are a retard.This is racing not high school drivers ed
I'm the one that said the pass Reed put on Bubba was clean!! I'm not the one crying about takeout moves. Who is the retard now, Beavis?

Hey, I will be in Colorado in a few weeks. Do you have a bike I can borrow so we can ride together? I want to put some regular ole "racing" passes on you... hehe
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Oh come on dude.... Im a graduate of the BobbyM school of goading and trolling. Seen it for years. Read it. Absorbed it. Came on here...
Oh come on dude....

Im a graduate of the BobbyM school of goading and trolling. Seen it for years. Read it. Absorbed it. Came on here and 'wet-towel-popped' the best of them only to get a frustrated 'fuckoff'. I'm actually honored.......Seriously!
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u guys must not ride, malcolms bullshit take out was chickenshit and he should be fined...way too blatant
You must not race...
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Neither should be fined in my opinion. There was no fight, unless it happened in the pits. Malcolm was stupid to take out Bogle. Bogle was stupid to slap Malcolm. A slap in the helmet won't hurt anyone.
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Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re-pass. This is racing. Its a short series with too many contenders. Malcolm could have...
Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re-pass. This is racing. Its a short series with too many contenders. Malcolm could have easily removed some stiff competition from title contention.


"The big thing here is that the people handing out punishments want to see the behavior change"

Really? Whats the over/under on how many times we see last weekends take-out moves shown in an effort to hype the next race? The powers that be cant have it both ways on this.

And their is significant favortism going on when Durham is allowed to do much worse to a Rockstar sponsored rider.
"Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re pass... Malcolm could have easily removed some stiff competition from title contention"

Wow. What an exciting series that would be. Whoever can clean out the other person first will win the series. People getting injured left and right. Top contenders never finishing a series. That would just be wonderful! Get a clue dumb ass.
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they probably dont like his haircut!
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Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re-pass. This is racing. Its a short series with too many contenders. Malcolm could have...
Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re-pass. This is racing. Its a short series with too many contenders. Malcolm could have easily removed some stiff competition from title contention.


"The big thing here is that the people handing out punishments want to see the behavior change"

Really? Whats the over/under on how many times we see last weekends take-out moves shown in an effort to hype the next race? The powers that be cant have it both ways on this.

And their is significant favortism going on when Durham is allowed to do much worse to a Rockstar sponsored rider.
TDeath21 wrote:
"Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re pass... Malcolm could have easily removed some stiff competition from title contention" Wow. What...
"Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re pass... Malcolm could have easily removed some stiff competition from title contention"

Wow. What an exciting series that would be. Whoever can clean out the other person first will win the series. People getting injured left and right. Top contenders never finishing a series. That would just be wonderful! Get a clue dumb ass.
Malcolm doesn't give a shit how exciting the series is for you or me. Nor should he. The difference between 7th and a east sx2 title is more money than you'll make in a year and the ramifications for there careers is not even quantifiable at this point.

From a racers point of view, they don't give a shit who gets hurt. The checks still clear whether their rivals are hurt or not.

Malcolm's only mistake was not pulling it off.
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Great racing, not so great bench racing! Grinning
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Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re-pass. This is racing. Its a short series with too many contenders. Malcolm could have...
Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re-pass. This is racing. Its a short series with too many contenders. Malcolm could have easily removed some stiff competition from title contention.


"The big thing here is that the people handing out punishments want to see the behavior change"

Really? Whats the over/under on how many times we see last weekends take-out moves shown in an effort to hype the next race? The powers that be cant have it both ways on this.

And their is significant favortism going on when Durham is allowed to do much worse to a Rockstar sponsored rider.
TDeath21 wrote:
"Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re pass... Malcolm could have easily removed some stiff competition from title contention" Wow. What...
"Nothing wrong with trying to make sure there will be no re pass... Malcolm could have easily removed some stiff competition from title contention"

Wow. What an exciting series that would be. Whoever can clean out the other person first will win the series. People getting injured left and right. Top contenders never finishing a series. That would just be wonderful! Get a clue dumb ass.
Malcolm doesn't give a shit how exciting the series is for you or me. Nor should he. The difference between 7th and a east sx2 title...
Malcolm doesn't give a shit how exciting the series is for you or me. Nor should he. The difference between 7th and a east sx2 title is more money than you'll make in a year and the ramifications for there careers is not even quantifiable at this point.

From a racers point of view, they don't give a shit who gets hurt. The checks still clear whether their rivals are hurt or not.

Malcolm's only mistake was not pulling it off.
So if you were a racer you would just clean out every competitor that you could? So that way you eliminate all title threats and cruise to a championship? How would you like it if you were that rider getting taken out? If you knew that a guy was coming in to clean you out at every round, and that there's a good chance you could get seriously injured in the process?
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TDeath21 wrote:
So if you were a racer you would just clean out every competitor that you could? So that way you eliminate all title threats and cruise...
So if you were a racer you would just clean out every competitor that you could? So that way you eliminate all title threats and cruise to a championship? How would you like it if you were that rider getting taken out? If you knew that a guy was coming in to clean you out at every round, and that there's a good chance you could get seriously injured in the process?
Jabroni is now going to come in here and back pedal, because you found the flaw in the excuse he so desperately used to defend the name of Stewart in any way possible. At least I hope that's what he is going to do, if he actually believes what he types then I feel really bad for the guy.
2/22/2012 3:53am Edited Date/Time 2/22/2012 3:57am
TDeath21 wrote:
So if you were a racer you would just clean out every competitor that you could? So that way you eliminate all title threats and cruise...
So if you were a racer you would just clean out every competitor that you could? So that way you eliminate all title threats and cruise to a championship? How would you like it if you were that rider getting taken out? If you knew that a guy was coming in to clean you out at every round, and that there's a good chance you could get seriously injured in the process?
You just described the reality of all professional sports.

Ive been taken out. Ive taken people out. No back pedaling here cmess. This isnt my opinion cmess or something that I "believe in", its just the reality of professional sports.

You guys are arguing from a local racer view-point. And from your point of view, you are correct. It's not fun to be taken out at that level, nobody wants to get in a fight in the parking lot of a local race. We're all out there just trying to have a good weekend. But at the professional level, with paychecks and a future on the line, nobody has any feelings for the guy next to them. This isnt T-Ball where everyone gets a trophy. Most are going to end up at the parts counter of a dealership...the guys with the killer instinct and no remorse will be the ones making the big bucks.

You think Deano shed one tear for Tomac after he gave up his huge lead? No freakin' way.

As for the SX2 East...it's Barcia's class, its his rules.

DD is playing by them. Wharton paid the price.

Bogle learned a valuable lesson. Malcolm's move backfired but its a risk he should take every time considering the circumstances. And its the real circumstances that you guys are ignoring which is why you are getting so emotional about this....asking me how I would like it if a guy was looking to clean me out every round haha. As if Malcolm is going to go apologize or as if Bogle even cares for one.

Eli's got a job waiting for him when he moves up to 450. So does Barcia. So does Wilson. And so does Roczen. That's four spots locked up. And the 450 class is already occupied by a few big name guys that command big bucks. There's not a whole lotta room left for the Baggets, Bogles, Malcolms, Durhams, and Whartons of the world. They'll all get rides, but its going to be a dog fight for any really decent paying job and nobody is going to move over for you and let you take there spot, just ask Weimer, he's learning that the hard way right now.
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