How about Matt Moss and Ryan Sipes?

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Motodude 1/15/2012 10:00pm
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500guy wrote:
it was bad and embarrassing, I heard Nate Ramsey went and apologized to the Sipes camp and Moss will get talked to by the AMA this...
it was bad and embarrassing,

I heard Nate Ramsey went and apologized to the Sipes camp and Moss will get talked to by the AMA this week.

I met 5 guy's that are here from Australia and they say this is typical of Moss.
TheWeapon wrote:
Rubbish. I've never seen him to be a dirty rider, and there really wasn't much in that 'pass'. They were banging bars and got a bit...
Rubbish. I've never seen him to be a dirty rider, and there really wasn't much in that 'pass'. They were banging bars and got a bit hooked up. Nothing compared to some of the stuff we've seen from some of the big name riders....
TY6 wrote:
You're right Weapon, from my perspective it seems Moss went for a pass which would see him transfer to the main, and as he made that...
You're right Weapon, from my perspective it seems Moss went for a pass which would see him transfer to the main, and as he made that pass his bike got tangled with Sipes'. If you can look closely i think Moss' right leg gets trapped between their bikes and Moss loses control of his rear brake. This causing momentum to carry them over the berm and thats racing, simple as that. I know i would have done the exact same thing in Moss' situation.
I dunno about locking bikes, you should ask Mossy about that. Looks like he just rode Sipes high...
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yz763 1/16/2012 2:36am
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I'm a huge Sipes fan but Sipes shouldn't have stayed committed to that turn. He knew Moss would be there. He was there the previous 3-4 corners. All he had to do was check/square up and let Moss blow by high in the corner.
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Ivan_Milat 1/16/2012 4:36am
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What's wrong Old Mate?

Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here?

Typical M Moss move, good on Ramsey for apologizing.
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RACESTH639 1/16/2012 4:43am
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its for the final transfer spot in the main on the last lap of the lcq. Sorry to inform you all that what moss did is fair game. I would do it and if you were racing so wouldnt you

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easy_e 1/16/2012 5:01am
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I've never seen so many people bitch about a last lap lcq move before..how about growing a pair and realizing a last lap battle does turn out that way sometimes. This isn't a Disney production here but the keyboard losers typing away would have really liked it to end picture perfect it seems.
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TY6 1/16/2012 5:09am
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Ivan_Milat wrote:
What's wrong Old Mate? Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here? Typical M Moss move, good on...
What's wrong Old Mate?

Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here?

Typical M Moss move, good on Ramsey for apologizing.
Really? You honestly think by making a profile named after an Australian serial killer is funny? You should grow the fuck up you piece of shit. Someone should have you deleted.
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mxrulez 1/16/2012 5:16am
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Watch it more closely, sipes goes from the left side (bikes perspective) to the middle then back to the left to protect his inside line. This is hardly a normal line though a whoops section. Not only did it make sipes slower though the whoops allowing moss to catch up, but moss saw sipes heading to the right though the start of the whoops and assumed that sipes would head to the outside of the next corner.

Moss naturally moved to the left to get the inside and block pass. So when sipes cut back across left to the inside it caught moss out. moss didnt expect it and didnt have enough lean angle meaning he started falling onto sipes slightly. This resulted in him being unable to turn.

TL;DR, Moss thought sipes was going wide because of the way he went though the whoops and was unpreapared for the corner. In the end Moss was out of control of his bike before they got to the inside of the corner
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Ivan_Milat wrote:
What's wrong Old Mate? Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here? Typical M Moss move, good on...
What's wrong Old Mate?

Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here?

Typical M Moss move, good on Ramsey for apologizing.
Is that your real name bud... Pretty infamous name down here...
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Ivan_Milat 1/16/2012 5:38am
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Ivan_Milat wrote:
What's wrong Old Mate? Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here? Typical M Moss move, good on...
What's wrong Old Mate?

Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here?

Typical M Moss move, good on Ramsey for apologizing.
TY6 wrote:
Really? You honestly think by making a profile named after an Australian serial killer is funny? You should grow the fuck up you piece of shit...
Really? You honestly think by making a profile named after an Australian serial killer is funny? You should grow the fuck up you piece of shit. Someone should have you deleted.
Huh? Who are you? Some no name C rider from Oz? Thought so.
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zookrider62! 1/16/2012 5:50am
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wait, matt moss pulled a boneheaded move in an LCQ, get the fuck out...
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Ivan_Milat wrote:
What's wrong Old Mate? Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here? Typical M Moss move, good on...
What's wrong Old Mate?

Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here?

Typical M Moss move, good on Ramsey for apologizing.
TY6 wrote:
Really? You honestly think by making a profile named after an Australian serial killer is funny? You should grow the fuck up you piece of shit...
Really? You honestly think by making a profile named after an Australian serial killer is funny? You should grow the fuck up you piece of shit. Someone should have you deleted.
Ivan_Milat wrote:
Huh? Who are you? Some no name C rider from Oz? Thought so.
Settle down big fella, Rubbin' is racing!

But nah it was a pretty dog move, Mossy had the spot when sipes backed off.. Mossy had the line and could have just blasted away into the main, he was quicker than sipes.
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ridge 1/16/2012 6:04am
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It's kinda hard to turn left when your front brake lever is going into the back of the dude on your right.

For all of you that think it was so deliberate...you've never been in that position. Deliberate would've seen Moss do something after the crash as well, but he didn't even look at him.

For the Ivan_ dude...stop being a little cunt. If you have a beef with somebody, man the fuck up and come out with it (using your real name of course.)
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Hoov 1/16/2012 6:09am
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Alex wrote:
Feld should make a high-vis bib with DUNCE on the back for someone to wear the week following a snazzy manouvre like that. Great to watch...
Feld should make a high-vis bib with DUNCE on the back for someone to wear the week following a snazzy manouvre like that. Great to watch though! Laughing

Alex, that made my day Smile
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TY6 1/16/2012 7:15am
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Ivan_Milat wrote:
What's wrong Old Mate? Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here? Typical M Moss move, good on...
What's wrong Old Mate?

Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here?

Typical M Moss move, good on Ramsey for apologizing.
TY6 wrote:
Really? You honestly think by making a profile named after an Australian serial killer is funny? You should grow the fuck up you piece of shit...
Really? You honestly think by making a profile named after an Australian serial killer is funny? You should grow the fuck up you piece of shit. Someone should have you deleted.
Ivan_Milat wrote:
Huh? Who are you? Some no name C rider from Oz? Thought so.
Haha you wouldnt have a clue. I think its pretty ridiculous you're calling out Moss when you're hiding behind a name like that on an internet board. Show some respect, you're a fucking disgrace.
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RocketLab 1/16/2012 8:04am
1/16/2012 8:04am
Watch the roost come off Moss's back wheel as he get's pointed straight at Sipes. And he keeps the power on till both go over the berm.
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layinbody31 1/16/2012 9:56am
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In the final shots of the crash on the broadcast you can see that there's a pretty good size dent in Moss' pipe no doubt from one of the earlier block passes

Oh, and Chatfield was PUMPED when he found out he made the main lol
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peelout 1/16/2012 9:58am
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my question...

wtf was Sipes doing? he should have been about 20 seconds ahead of Moss... we're talking about a guy that goes out and throws down the fastest 250 times of the entire group on the reg
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500guy 1/16/2012 10:11am
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peelout wrote:
my question... wtf was Sipes doing? he should have been about 20 seconds ahead of Moss... we're talking about a guy that goes out and throws...
my question...

wtf was Sipes doing? he should have been about 20 seconds ahead of Moss... we're talking about a guy that goes out and throws down the fastest 250 times of the entire group on the reg
I was thinking the same thing about Tickle and Grant.

Sipes looked off all afternoon, maybe he is hurt ?

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easy_e 1/16/2012 10:18am
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peelout wrote:
my question... wtf was Sipes doing? he should have been about 20 seconds ahead of Moss... we're talking about a guy that goes out and throws...
my question...

wtf was Sipes doing? he should have been about 20 seconds ahead of Moss... we're talking about a guy that goes out and throws down the fastest 250 times of the entire group on the reg
500guy wrote:
I was thinking the same thing about Tickle and Grant.

Sipes looked off all afternoon, maybe he is hurt ?
the 450 class is waaaaay more stacked than the 250 class..it's tickle's first year against an experienced field of 450 guys and grants coming off an injury. Makes good sense to me we'll see a lot of big name guys in the 450 lcq. I don't know how long grant is going to keep his knee together from the look of some of his bails, the guy just goes all out regardless of the consequences I guess..
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SMITH201 1/16/2012 10:39am
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When Moss dove in underneath for the block pass, Sipes leg got caught on the Moss's front wheel and he couldnt turn. You and see it on the slowmo replay from the front they had showed. It was just good racing. That kind of stuff is expected in LCQ. Guys will race hard to make the Mains! Smile
Mr. Ted 1/16/2012 10:56am
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peelout wrote:
my question... wtf was Sipes doing? he should have been about 20 seconds ahead of Moss... we're talking about a guy that goes out and throws...
my question...

wtf was Sipes doing? he should have been about 20 seconds ahead of Moss... we're talking about a guy that goes out and throws down the fastest 250 times of the entire group on the reg
Sipes took a pretty good digger in practice. Bent his subframe, etc. Not sure if that had to do with him being off pace. I didn't think the Moss move was a good racing move, because if you take yourself out, you have done no good. They were rubbing quite a bit, so it was not hard to see that someone was going to hit the dirt, it just happened to be both of them. I am a big Sipes fan, and would say he should have known better than to keep playing that game. I am sure he is pissed, though. Was hoping to see both Ryan and Justin in the main.
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Old Mate 1/16/2012 4:21pm
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Ivan_Milat wrote:
What's wrong Old Mate? Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here? Typical M Moss move, good on...
What's wrong Old Mate?

Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here?

Typical M Moss move, good on Ramsey for apologizing.
Been doing coaching schools,got someone else to post on the aussie site for me. Spoke to Jake first,he said Ryans a top bloke and would be way more pissed that Matt caught him from 6th than what happens in the last corner of an LCQ. Spoke to Matt and he said Nate was upset he crashed and didnt pull the move off successfully,he said Ryan lent in a little more than he expected and his bar bumped his back then Ryans knee got behind the fender and he couldnt steer. He definatly thought he would make it and was just pissed he didnt get to the main.
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TDeath21 1/17/2012 1:49am
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If you're in 2nd in the LCQ on the last lap, expect anything. It's a shitty situation to be in, and Sipes did his best to block him off. It looked to me like Moss was going for the block pass on the inside regardless, so when Sipes came down hard to block him (rightfully so), it was either check up big time and go down, or leave it on and hope you can pull off the pass with lots of contact. Obviously neither one was letting off, and they both went down. I don't think it was a complete take out move like Emig made it out to be. It wasn't a t-bone, and had their bikes not gotten connected, they would have both made the turn. I wouldn't have done anything differently if I were either rider. Aggressiveness for the last spot in the LCQ is common nature.
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mxmaniac08 1/17/2012 2:47am
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I haven't read all the comments, but in my opinion it was an act of rookie desperation... Desperately not wanting to let the team down after giving him the chance to go to the US. I am a big Moss and sipes fan and dont believe that Moss executed what his intentions were correctly and it looked/came off worse than what what was intended..I think Sipes is a top 3-4 guy when everything clicks, i hope he gets his stuff sorted and shows us what his got.
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Derpin' DJ 1/17/2012 2:54am
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All in all, neither of them should have been in the LCQ. Moss was dead last after the first turn crash in the heat, and managed to pass Sipes and get to 11th. Hopefully he has no trouble getting to the main next week and gets a good start.
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mxmaniac08 1/17/2012 3:02am
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Ivan_Milat wrote:
What's wrong Old Mate? Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here? Typical M Moss move, good on...
What's wrong Old Mate?

Keen to out your opinion on an Oz forum but you have nothing to say here?

Typical M Moss move, good on Ramsey for apologizing.
TY6 wrote:
Really? You honestly think by making a profile named after an Australian serial killer is funny? You should grow the fuck up you piece of shit...
Really? You honestly think by making a profile named after an Australian serial killer is funny? You should grow the fuck up you piece of shit. Someone should have you deleted.
Ivan_Milat wrote:
Huh? Who are you? Some no name C rider from Oz? Thought so.
I might change my name to 'Bin Laden'... actually i wouldnt because i have respect for the familys of those killed and your country. Now fuck Off and headbutt a knife you waste off space.
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jtomasik 1/17/2012 8:17am
1/17/2012 8:17am Edited Date/Time 1/17/2012 8:17am
Aside from the incident itself, the LCQ is "proof" that shorter races make for great racing. I'm still of the opinion that two shorter "mains" would give us closer racing, since the start would play a bigger factor, especially during years where there's one standout rider (like back in the RC days or MC days). Usually the field settles in to the top 3 by around lap 10 or so. Granted, this year is much more exciting since the top 5 or so racers are so close in speed. But, and unfortunately, injury and bad finishes often change the championship chase to less of a race near the end of the season, and that could very well happen this season (but I definitely hope it doesn't). I believe that by shortening each race, but providing two of them, the results might tighten up.

I'm not sure that was a lousy move by Moss. I wonder if that wasn't his intent, and his bike simply got caught with Sipes machine?
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Greg903 1/17/2012 10:33am
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Coincidental contact. Not sure exactly what it means but sounds good.
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Camp332 1/17/2012 10:45am
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I didn't read all the jibba jabba in this thread, but it looked like Moss' right hand/brake lever got a little crushed.
TheWeapon 1/17/2012 3:58pm
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Old Mate wrote:
Been doing coaching schools,got someone else to post on the aussie site for me. Spoke to Jake first,he said Ryans a top bloke and would be...
Been doing coaching schools,got someone else to post on the aussie site for me. Spoke to Jake first,he said Ryans a top bloke and would be way more pissed that Matt caught him from 6th than what happens in the last corner of an LCQ. Spoke to Matt and he said Nate was upset he crashed and didnt pull the move off successfully,he said Ryan lent in a little more than he expected and his bar bumped his back then Ryans knee got behind the fender and he couldnt steer. He definatly thought he would make it and was just pissed he didnt get to the main.
Racing incident - those of us on here who actually race / have raced know what it's like. I hope both guys do well this weekend. Sipes seems like a class act - if he thought the move was so bad he probably would said more than wrong place / wrong time etc

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