how do i keep from busting my balls... really

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 11:47pm
good morning troops,
had a long conversation with you guys some months ago trying to figure out what bike to buy to get back into this game. you were all a great help and after long discussion and screwing around found a crf 230 that is absolutely brilliant... more than enough capability to remember how to do this yet bullet proof reliable and the electric start is just the cats ass. big time pro guys were here last week and doing 1:44's ( simply amazing) and i am a full minute off that which i feel just fine about for now and if i can hack another 20 secs off in short order that will be fine. at any rate...

now that the pace is picked up and all i have a problem with my balls whacking off the seat during hard , badly executed landings... not me crashing my whole body into the seat sort of thing but just sort of them flying around in there... sort of thing. as bizzare a question as this may be, is there special underware to buy or do these guys wear jocks or cups or some sort of protection or what ? PLEASE ... i'm BEGGING you... this is a real question... save all the wise ass answers for AFTER you tell me what to do...
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scooter5002 12/26/2011 7:01am
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Spandex compression undies. Available at sports stores. You're welcome. Must protect the jewels, you know.
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stevesxm 12/26/2011 7:03am
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scooter5002 wrote:
Spandex compression undies. Available at sports stores. You're welcome. Must protect the jewels, you know.
THANK YOU !!!
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captmoto 12/26/2011 7:27am
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You might have reached the limits of the CRF230's suspension. Sounds like you are overjumping. A full on moto bike will be able to absorb more than the 230. You also need some legs to help withstand some of the impact. Try some lunges and squats along with some good cardio to build up leg strength.

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stevesxm 12/26/2011 7:30am
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captmoto wrote:
You might have reached the limits of the CRF230's suspension. Sounds like you are overjumping. A full on moto bike will be able to absorb more...
You might have reached the limits of the CRF230's suspension. Sounds like you are overjumping. A full on moto bike will be able to absorb more than the 230. You also need some legs to help withstand some of the impact. Try some lunges and squats along with some good cardio to build up leg strength.
thats not the issue at all. the issue is my standard underware not being able to deal with the g forces. the bike and my conditioning are just fine.
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captmoto 12/26/2011 5:33pm
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Well then its back to suspension upgrades and proper chonies with good .support. good luck
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mark_swart 12/27/2011 6:52am
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Glad you had the balls to ask this question, pun intended : ) ! I was thinking about posting a very similar question about moto underwear. I've been wearing compression shorts and usually a pair of workout shorts with the sewn in liner, all under my riding pants. Gives a few extra layers of padding in there. I've been with this setup for a long time and it does okay, but I was curious if there was a better way to go.

The running shorts are also good when you change at the track in mixed company.
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TerryK 12/27/2011 8:56am
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A CFRF230 is not a race bike. It was a good place to get back into riding, but if you are jumping anything, you need a real MX bike.
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stevesxm 12/27/2011 9:55am
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well... you are entitled to that keen insight, but this bike beats the sht out of all the 125 2 stroke guys pretty routinely, jumps doubles just fine and when the 2 stroke and high strung 4 stroke guys are 8 heartbeats from a death after kicking theirs in the heat trying to get them to run, i push a buttton and ride off. if i ever actually think about racing, then i will get a race bike. but when i look at what the guys i ride with go thru with their ' race bikes " to go faster only at that 20 % of the time when they are really hanging it out, i am more than happy with this. if you think this 230 is some street bike masquerading as a off road bike you are simply wrong. it is a stout , well built and tough piece of kit.
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JOHN CHOATE 12/27/2011 10:39am
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You need a real MX bike. The 230 is nothing more than a well built beginner/trail bike.
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stevesxm 12/27/2011 10:41am
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thank you for that keen insight.
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kippy450 12/27/2011 10:44am
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stevesxm wrote:
well... you are entitled to that keen insight, but this bike beats the sht out of all the 125 2 stroke guys pretty routinely, jumps doubles...
well... you are entitled to that keen insight, but this bike beats the sht out of all the 125 2 stroke guys pretty routinely, jumps doubles just fine and when the 2 stroke and high strung 4 stroke guys are 8 heartbeats from a death after kicking theirs in the heat trying to get them to run, i push a buttton and ride off. if i ever actually think about racing, then i will get a race bike. but when i look at what the guys i ride with go thru with their ' race bikes " to go faster only at that 20 % of the time when they are really hanging it out, i am more than happy with this. if you think this 230 is some street bike masquerading as a off road bike you are simply wrong. it is a stout , well built and tough piece of kit.
The 230 is a VERY tough machine...I own the older XR 200 version...tough as nails and takes a beating and keeps ticking. Great bike! That being said, you are missing the point what the guys are saying. No one, including me, is saying it is a street bike that can't handle the dirt. What they are saying is that the bike wasn't not designed for MX but for more for offroad. Its shocks and springs are not as strong as purpose built MX bikes. That doesn't mean you can't get it there though! What you are describing is bike bottoming out and you are taking the majority of the impact. You are going to need get stronger springs rates(through Factory Connection etc.) in the forks and the shock. This is not a "wise-ass" answer." Everytime I ride the 200, I wish it had strong springs, because I take a beating if I go to fast....it would be awesome if it did! By the way, ALL bikes (including MX) need to have the spring rate for the riders body weight....I am 6'6 and the stock YZ450 springs are WAY to soft for me. So I am not telling you this to sound smart, once you find the correct rate you will love it...and so will your balls!
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TerryK 12/27/2011 11:05am
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stevesxm wrote:
well... you are entitled to that keen insight, but this bike beats the sht out of all the 125 2 stroke guys pretty routinely, jumps doubles...
well... you are entitled to that keen insight, but this bike beats the sht out of all the 125 2 stroke guys pretty routinely, jumps doubles just fine and when the 2 stroke and high strung 4 stroke guys are 8 heartbeats from a death after kicking theirs in the heat trying to get them to run, i push a buttton and ride off. if i ever actually think about racing, then i will get a race bike. but when i look at what the guys i ride with go thru with their ' race bikes " to go faster only at that 20 % of the time when they are really hanging it out, i am more than happy with this. if you think this 230 is some street bike masquerading as a off road bike you are simply wrong. it is a stout , well built and tough piece of kit.
lol, seriously? If you are beating guys on real mx bikes either A: you are faster than you let on, and or B: those guys suck! The CRF230 is in fact a beginners trail bike, and if you are smoking guys on 125s 2 strokes and whatever sized 4 stroke RACE bikes then I commend you, but either way you look at it, you WILL need a new bike sooner than later. That bike simply wasnt designed to take the abuse that an mx track and rider can dish out.

You might not break the engine, but you will break the wheels, or the triple clamps of the frame etc. because it's just not strong enough for the kind of abuse MX throws at it. It will end up costing you more for wheels and frames than your buddies are paying for engine parts.
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stevesxm 12/27/2011 11:20am
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on pure performance, the 230 and the 125 2 strokes are essentially the same so i can beat like skilled guys on the 125's and not well skilled guys on the 4 stroke 250's. the 4 stroke bikes are very very fast. but having said that, they seem finiky as hell. and the maintainance they need is quite high. there is no question that i will need a ' real bike at some point but then i am in the same quandry i was in before... i hate the 4 stroke 250's... way too fast , too tall and too much work. and the 2 stroke 125s if you can find them are the same old 2 stroke 125s as ever. i want the 230 driveline in the 250 4 stroke frame. and i do LOVE that electric start...

i might just have to do that...
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TerryK 12/27/2011 11:25am
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CRF230 specs:

-249lbs dry weight (actually heavier than a current 450 MX bike)
-16 horsepower (less than 1/3 the HP of a 450MX bike and less than a current 65cc MX bike)
-rear suspension travel: 9.5 inches (modern mxers have just under 12in)
-front suspension travel: 9 inches (modern mxers have just under 12in)

A 125 MXer makes about 32-34 HP stock and weighs 50lbs less that your 230 so performance is WAY off the mark.

Look, I'm not trying to be a dick here I'm just saying that Ive been at this game for 40 years now and I know that if you are pushing a trail bike THAT hard you will indeed break it. Most likely the problem with your jublies is caused the the super soft suspension bottoming out so severely that you are smacking your jewels off the seat and tank.

Like I said, if you are that fast that you can beat the shit out of guys on real mx bike I commend you. That woulds be a riot to do, but all Im saying is dont be surprised when the little Honda's frame breaks in half of the triple clamps snap, or a wheel hub breaks. I just hope you dont get hurt bad. Be careful out there brother!!
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kippy450 12/27/2011 11:38am
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on pure performance, the 230 and the 125 2 strokes are essentially the same so i can beat like skilled guys on the 125's and not...
on pure performance, the 230 and the 125 2 strokes are essentially the same so i can beat like skilled guys on the 125's and not well skilled guys on the 4 stroke 250's. the 4 stroke bikes are very very fast. but having said that, they seem finiky as hell. and the maintainance they need is quite high. there is no question that i will need a ' real bike at some point but then i am in the same quandry i was in before... i hate the 4 stroke 250's... way too fast , too tall and too much work. and the 2 stroke 125s if you can find them are the same old 2 stroke 125s as ever. i want the 230 driveline in the 250 4 stroke frame. and i do LOVE that electric start...

i might just have to do that...
Woohoo
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kippy450 12/27/2011 11:40am
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TerryK wrote:
CRF230 specs: -249lbs dry weight (actually heavier than a current 450 MX bike) -16 horsepower (less than 1/3 the HP of a 450MX bike and less...
CRF230 specs:

-249lbs dry weight (actually heavier than a current 450 MX bike)
-16 horsepower (less than 1/3 the HP of a 450MX bike and less than a current 65cc MX bike)
-rear suspension travel: 9.5 inches (modern mxers have just under 12in)
-front suspension travel: 9 inches (modern mxers have just under 12in)

A 125 MXer makes about 32-34 HP stock and weighs 50lbs less that your 230 so performance is WAY off the mark.

Look, I'm not trying to be a dick here I'm just saying that Ive been at this game for 40 years now and I know that if you are pushing a trail bike THAT hard you will indeed break it. Most likely the problem with your jublies is caused the the super soft suspension bottoming out so severely that you are smacking your jewels off the seat and tank.

Like I said, if you are that fast that you can beat the shit out of guys on real mx bike I commend you. That woulds be a riot to do, but all Im saying is dont be surprised when the little Honda's frame breaks in half of the triple clamps snap, or a wheel hub breaks. I just hope you dont get hurt bad. Be careful out there brother!!
Don't worry...everyone who knows anything agrees with you....they just aren't wasting their time with this thread!

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TerryK 12/27/2011 11:46am
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Don't worry...everyone who knows anything agrees with you....they just aren't wasting their time with this thread!
Lol, I just dont want to see the guy get wadded up! I had a friend that used to race a box stock XR600 and when he landed from a big jump the ground would shake lol. That was a 300+ lb trail bike but they are tough. He still ended up breaking the frame.
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stevesxm 12/27/2011 12:02pm
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you keep talking about 450's.... no one has said anything at all about 450's. there are some of those here and they are very very fast. what i see most often are 125 i'll repeat that so you don't miss it.... one hundred and twenty five cubic centimeter two strokes that this 230 can run with all day.... and 250 that is two hundred and fifty cubic centimeter four strokes that are much much faster but if poorly ridden can still be caught because when the bike is too tall or too fast for you to control you can only ride it to some small percentage of its capability. so i catch and pass slow guys on 250's and can run heads up w/ 125's. are we clear now ? i didn't mention 450's in there once.

and yes... the springs are a bit soft but all that means for now is that the lines are diffeerent and the trajectory of the jumps is different.... and the bike now has about 100 hours of getting the sht beat out of it on it and i haven't spent a dime. all my 250 4 stroke buddies are on their second cylinder head and one leg like godzilla from kicking them. fine for them. fine for you. i know the limitations of the equipment and when i exceed them with ability, ill get a better bike. right now all i need is better underware.
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TerryK 12/27/2011 12:28pm
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you keep talking about 450's.... no one has said anything at all about 450's. there are some of those here and they are very very fast...
you keep talking about 450's.... no one has said anything at all about 450's. there are some of those here and they are very very fast. what i see most often are 125 i'll repeat that so you don't miss it.... one hundred and twenty five cubic centimeter two strokes that this 230 can run with all day.... and 250 that is two hundred and fifty cubic centimeter four strokes that are much much faster but if poorly ridden can still be caught because when the bike is too tall or too fast for you to control you can only ride it to some small percentage of its capability. so i catch and pass slow guys on 250's and can run heads up w/ 125's. are we clear now ? i didn't mention 450's in there once.

and yes... the springs are a bit soft but all that means for now is that the lines are diffeerent and the trajectory of the jumps is different.... and the bike now has about 100 hours of getting the sht beat out of it on it and i haven't spent a dime. all my 250 4 stroke buddies are on their second cylinder head and one leg like godzilla from kicking them. fine for them. fine for you. i know the limitations of the equipment and when i exceed them with ability, ill get a better bike. right now all i need is better underware.
Jesus man, you asked for help but get all snippy when someone lays out the facts for you. Lighten up.

The reason I mentioned 450s is because your bike weighs MORE that a 450 and has less HP that a 65. Catch MY drift? And if you think your 250lb, 16 hp 230 is just as fast as a 200lb, 34hp 125 well then you are just delusional. The equalizer is that you are obviously MUCH faster than the guys on said 125s so.....

WTF are we talking about again? lol

Anyhoo, I'm sorry for being a realist and I'm sorry for trying to help. If you ask for advice then maybe try not to get butt hurt when someone tells you something you might not want to hear.
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kawboy388 12/27/2011 12:55pm
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Hmmm,don't think I have ever seen a "Race Shop" thread,end up in "The Dumbgeon" before. Will this
be a first Terry ?
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TerryK 12/27/2011 1:29pm
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Hmmm,don't think I have ever seen a "Race Shop" thread,end up in "The Dumbgeon" before. Will this
be a first Terry ?
lol, naw.
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JOHN CHOATE 12/27/2011 6:37pm
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stevesxm wrote:
you keep talking about 450's.... no one has said anything at all about 450's. there are some of those here and they are very very fast...
you keep talking about 450's.... no one has said anything at all about 450's. there are some of those here and they are very very fast. what i see most often are 125 i'll repeat that so you don't miss it.... one hundred and twenty five cubic centimeter two strokes that this 230 can run with all day.... and 250 that is two hundred and fifty cubic centimeter four strokes that are much much faster but if poorly ridden can still be caught because when the bike is too tall or too fast for you to control you can only ride it to some small percentage of its capability. so i catch and pass slow guys on 250's and can run heads up w/ 125's. are we clear now ? i didn't mention 450's in there once.

and yes... the springs are a bit soft but all that means for now is that the lines are diffeerent and the trajectory of the jumps is different.... and the bike now has about 100 hours of getting the sht beat out of it on it and i haven't spent a dime. all my 250 4 stroke buddies are on their second cylinder head and one leg like godzilla from kicking them. fine for them. fine for you. i know the limitations of the equipment and when i exceed them with ability, ill get a better bike. right now all i need is better underware.
Where do you even get to ride in or around Miami? I am guessing you must ride Thundercross.

Even if a 230cc trailbike(and that's what it is) is ridden very well by an experienced rider, it will still have severe limitations on an MX track.
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kippy450 12/27/2011 8:17pm
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I'm not sure this thread passes the sniff test! it doesn't add up to me.
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kippy450 12/28/2011 4:12pm
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pCp 252 wrote:
The guy is a kook, take a look at his previous thread. I realize you (stevesxm) have experience in auto racing, but take the advice from...
The guy is a kook, take a look at his previous thread. I realize you (stevesxm) have experience in auto racing, but take the advice from core MX'rs. Its not your underwear that's the problem.

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Race-Shop,42/crf250-before-it-kills-me,12…
Holy Sh*t balls! That is the worst thread in history! Why ask a question and then argue with the answer? Are you sure any of the info is accurate? But maybe the next time I go to the track I will take the wifes XR200 and lay it down all over the local pros! Grinning
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MotoBro13 12/28/2011 6:53pm
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TerryK wrote:
A CFRF230 is not a race bike. It was a good place to get back into riding, but if you are jumping anything, you need a...
A CFRF230 is not a race bike. It was a good place to get back into riding, but if you are jumping anything, you need a real MX bike.
Hes actually right, not trying to bust your balls about it aha. I had a CRF 230 at one point in time, decent bike, reliable, but if you do wanna get serious about it you will need a moto bike. The 230 is more of a trail bike, with not as strong shocks, and a substantially heavier frame, and engine. Just edification.

As for your balls, im deeply sorry aha. Ive had the problem once before but that was because of me physically bouncing off the seat due to OJing a 30 ft double. I wear regular boxer briefs, shorts not faggot tighty whiteys just making it clear aha and basketball shorts and I never have a problem
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stevesxm 1/3/2012 6:48am
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pCp 252 wrote:
The guy is a kook, take a look at his previous thread. I realize you (stevesxm) have experience in auto racing, but take the advice from...
The guy is a kook, take a look at his previous thread. I realize you (stevesxm) have experience in auto racing, but take the advice from core MX'rs. Its not your underwear that's the problem.

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Race-Shop,42/crf250-before-it-kills-me,12…
no... not a kook. asked a simple direct question and got a simple direct answer early on which, i am happy to say when this fox product arrived , solved the problem completely. i never started this deal about the bike being inadequate... i know it is not a true mx bike... i know that if i ever get serious then it will be totally wrong and no i'm not riding thundercross or anything like what you guys do, i'm sure. this is a local track on the island of sint maarten... if you look on utube somewhere i think there is a video of a guy riding ... its on the french side called bellevue.. you guys are all top flight racers i'm sure. i'm not and don't aspire to be. not my venue. what i do is use it for conditioning. and all i was looking for was the answer to some basic riding equipment question...

the only thing that kept me from buying a proper mx bike of any type was the simple reason that that wasn't what i needed . i tried the 4 stroke 250 and it was too tall and far too difficult to ride and there where no good 125's around that wern't beat to junk. this 230 will serve the purpose until my skill level is solid and repeatable. until then , this fox titan short thing has solved the immediate problem completely.

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