MX Sports and the AMA?

knowitalloveragainnovice
Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 6:23pm
Anything rumours starting to trickle out?

Something is changing I hear (on the Am. Side) buy it could be more.

As I said, just a rumour right now.
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akmx17 12/21/2011 5:26pm
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Yeah, it's a hell of a rumour
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Sherwood 12/21/2011 5:27pm
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Glad this rumor has so much substance... Rumors tend to be nothing but a nasty lie.
knowitalloveragainnovice 12/21/2011 6:13pm
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No lie, trying to find the substance.......I'm hearing AMA is out at the ranch.


But like I already disclaimed, I don't have any confirmation.
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CnCRacing 12/21/2011 6:22pm
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Maybe MX Sports is gonna start their own am series?

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pb465 12/21/2011 6:31pm
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MX Sports to sanction their own events instead of paying AMA and having riders pay useless fees which they are probably raising....

Yeah sounds about right MX Sports would leave the AMA behind
knowitalloveragainnovice 12/21/2011 6:52pm
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pb465 wrote:
MX Sports to sanction their own events instead of paying AMA and having riders pay useless fees which they are probably raising.... Yeah sounds about right...
MX Sports to sanction their own events instead of paying AMA and having riders pay useless fees which they are probably raising....

Yeah sounds about right MX Sports would leave the AMA behind
Is it true? Or just a rumour?

I'm gonna have to aks Ping if I can't get a straight answer here. Not that I can get a straight answer there but at least he may break out a Whitelock joke or a Montana story when he went 1-1 and the AMA scored him second because that added up to 2.
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newmann 12/21/2011 7:00pm
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So, is the AMA out at the ranch, or are they out at the ranch?
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JustMX 12/21/2011 7:06pm
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It is going to be an interesting year in Amateur racing
woodsracer667 12/21/2011 7:16pm
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AMA also out of GNCC was talked about at the banquet
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Mstock 12/21/2011 7:18pm
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Just imagine all the easy money the AMA has made doing nothing for amateur motocross. I hope I never have to buy another AMA card again in my lifetime. Go MXSports!
SlowOldGuy 12/21/2011 7:21pm
12/21/2011 7:21pm Edited Date/Time 12/21/2011 7:22pm
Yeah, the AMA really screwed up that lead law thing. I can't believe they would be so stupid as to lobby for your kids right to ride a motorcycle and get a provision of a law repealed to help. They are so worthless.

And screw all the work on a national advancement system, just let kids ride whatever class they want to.
Track and Trail 12/21/2011 7:22pm
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Yeah, the AMA really screwed up that lead law thing. I can't believe they would be so stupid as to lobby for your kids right to...
Yeah, the AMA really screwed up that lead law thing. I can't believe they would be so stupid as to lobby for your kids right to ride a motorcycle and get a provision of a law repealed to help. They are so worthless.

And screw all the work on a national advancement system, just let kids ride whatever class they want to.
Yep, careful what you wish for.
SlowOldGuy 12/21/2011 7:27pm
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I was being sarcastic
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Sherwood 12/21/2011 7:30pm
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What exactly does the AMA bring to the table other then the name? Do they do anything?
SlowOldGuy 12/21/2011 7:33pm
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If not for the efforts of the AMA, Sean Hilbert, and Tim Cotter and crew, there would be no kids under 12 racing MX next year (lead law). Take away all the kids under 12 (about 40% of all racers in our district), there would be no more racing.
Track and Trail 12/21/2011 7:33pm
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I was being sarcastic
I wasn't. My post was directed to those who would like an MX sports monopoly.
SlowOldGuy 12/21/2011 7:35pm
12/21/2011 7:35pm
Standardized rules for the entire country, a national advancement system that is not perfect, but better than any of the others out there. Just these two things are worth my money for the year.

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Sherwood 12/21/2011 7:44pm
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SlowOldGuy wrote:
Standardized rules for the entire country, a national advancement system that is not perfect, but better than any of the others out there. Just these two...
Standardized rules for the entire country, a national advancement system that is not perfect, but better than any of the others out there. Just these two things are worth my money for the year.
So nothing MxSports can't do?
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Lobbying Congress is probably the only thing the AMA is good for, and running a sweet museum. AMA District 17 is a joke. I asked, why did I pay this money and what did it get me again?

A bunch of backwoods inbred Okies running a thing called OCCRA runs circles around District 17

"Standardized rules for the entire country", There are not even tow events in District 17 that have the same rules or procedures.
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ScottP 12/21/2011 8:19pm
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Look into how the lead law went down. If the AMA cared it would of never even had an issue. They had the chance to review and appeal before the it passed and they did NOTHING. Didn't even look at it because they don't care about off-road. Plain and simple it is too small of a section of AMA to care about. If you race AM motocross ( and probably GNCC, and other forms too) you will know that AMA events are expensive and they don't even care enough to do proper advancements.

I do not agree with all of what MX Sports does but they make an effort to improve and move forward.

If this is true, I say good bye AMA thanks for taking my cash. See ya never.
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newmann 12/21/2011 8:27pm
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SlowOldGuy wrote:
If not for the efforts of the AMA, Sean Hilbert, and Tim Cotter and crew, there would be no kids under 12 racing MX next year...
If not for the efforts of the AMA, Sean Hilbert, and Tim Cotter and crew, there would be no kids under 12 racing MX next year (lead law). Take away all the kids under 12 (about 40% of all racers in our district), there would be no more racing.
I think the AMA was a little late to the lead law discussion weren't they???
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SlowOldGuy wrote:
If not for the efforts of the AMA, Sean Hilbert, and Tim Cotter and crew, there would be no kids under 12 racing MX next year...
If not for the efforts of the AMA, Sean Hilbert, and Tim Cotter and crew, there would be no kids under 12 racing MX next year (lead law). Take away all the kids under 12 (about 40% of all racers in our district), there would be no more racing.
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I think the AMA was a little late to the lead law discussion weren't they???
No....

A lot late is more like it. For what they make you pay for a card and crummy magazines amazing.
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wardy 12/21/2011 8:34pm
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someone pee in your wheaties in d17 huh?
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Sherwood 12/21/2011 8:35pm
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wardy wrote:
someone pee in your wheaties in d17 huh?
Some of us would like to actually get something in return that's equivalent to the pay.
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wardy 12/21/2011 8:52pm
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I think way to many people forget that AMA was there in the begining of doing this stuff. Long before some of us were alive. We have clubs that were chartered in 1920's and 30's. The membership fee which is the big bitch doesn't fill you gas tank, but yet they have very dedicated people who work full time to make things better.

It irratates me, to seem to be the only part of a small few that will defend the people and efforts that AMA has done in the 30 some years that i have been paying attention to what they do. Now have they screwed up, many times no denying that, but today especially the group out there are some of the best ones in that office in a very long time.

Sherwood. what is it that you expect? not being adversarial here, but what is it that you want for the membership fee?

bigbore, we here in d-17 can compete and out perform most anyone and have for a long time. Organization, rule processes, etc. Easy to post on a board.
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wardy 12/21/2011 8:54pm
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Speaking of the lead law, didn't a few or most of the OEM's push for that law thinking that it would stifle the Importing of the cheaper chinese machines? So why would that not be the place to put some of this misplaced attitude?
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wardy wrote:
I think way to many people forget that AMA was there in the begining of doing this stuff. Long before some of us were alive. We...
I think way to many people forget that AMA was there in the begining of doing this stuff. Long before some of us were alive. We have clubs that were chartered in 1920's and 30's. The membership fee which is the big bitch doesn't fill you gas tank, but yet they have very dedicated people who work full time to make things better.

It irratates me, to seem to be the only part of a small few that will defend the people and efforts that AMA has done in the 30 some years that i have been paying attention to what they do. Now have they screwed up, many times no denying that, but today especially the group out there are some of the best ones in that office in a very long time.

Sherwood. what is it that you expect? not being adversarial here, but what is it that you want for the membership fee?

bigbore, we here in d-17 can compete and out perform most anyone and have for a long time. Organization, rule processes, etc. Easy to post on a board.
Very well said. Outside of Wardy and Mike have any of you ever helped within your district? Run for office? Or even submitted opinions or proposals to the AMA?
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Sherwood 12/21/2011 9:08pm
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wardy wrote:
I think way to many people forget that AMA was there in the begining of doing this stuff. Long before some of us were alive. We...
I think way to many people forget that AMA was there in the begining of doing this stuff. Long before some of us were alive. We have clubs that were chartered in 1920's and 30's. The membership fee which is the big bitch doesn't fill you gas tank, but yet they have very dedicated people who work full time to make things better.

It irratates me, to seem to be the only part of a small few that will defend the people and efforts that AMA has done in the 30 some years that i have been paying attention to what they do. Now have they screwed up, many times no denying that, but today especially the group out there are some of the best ones in that office in a very long time.

Sherwood. what is it that you expect? not being adversarial here, but what is it that you want for the membership fee?

bigbore, we here in d-17 can compete and out perform most anyone and have for a long time. Organization, rule processes, etc. Easy to post on a board.
You honestly feel what we pay is compensated fairly?
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wardy 12/21/2011 9:21pm
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Well yes i do actually.

I know when I go to a race around here or any place that flys the AMA banner the rules in place will be there to used. In the last few years there has been a focus on training for flaggers, and now referees. The pro am process is now being done like it should be giving the riders a clear and concise process to earn thier pro status. Advancement has been a slow process but has worked well and will continue to improve.

Lets not forget much of the big races in the country with of course the exception of Cali was forged and built on the Ama foundation.

In these areas that are not ama, how many memberships do you have buy to race at different places? With the economy being what it is, and the loss of ridership we all have seen i believe is why much of the bickering is happening.

Now I can't pretend to understand and know all the other parts of what AmA does. I am a racer and have been in the AMA since the 70's. Buying a life card in 1981. I just know from what i have seen in this country i don't see anything that remotely compares to the scope, process and organization that AmA has.

so sherwood i guess my answer is





yes. ( my wife and both kids are members) so we still pay yearly a membership fee.

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