GP Budds Creek??

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Edited Date/Time 1/24/2012 10:14am
What would you think about something like this?

AMA National - Grand Prix of Budds Creek 16 & 17 June

Sunday Program:

11.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 17.00 : Heat 1 World Championship MX2
12.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 18.00 : Heat 1 World Championship MX1
01.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 19.00: Heat 1 AMA 450
02.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 20.00: Heat 1 AMA 250
03.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 21.00: Heat 2 World Championship MX2
04.00 PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 22.00: Heat 2 World Championship MX1
05.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 23.00: Heat 1 AMA 450
06.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 00.00: Heat 1 AMA 250

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12/2/2011 4:27pm
MXMattii wrote:
What would you think about something like this? AMA National - Grand Prix of Budds Creek 16 & 17 June Sunday Program: 11.00AM Budds Creek Time...
What would you think about something like this?

AMA National - Grand Prix of Budds Creek 16 & 17 June

Sunday Program:

11.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 17.00 : Heat 1 World Championship MX2
12.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 18.00 : Heat 1 World Championship MX1
01.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 19.00: Heat 1 AMA 450
02.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 20.00: Heat 1 AMA 250
03.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 21.00: Heat 2 World Championship MX2
04.00 PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 22.00: Heat 2 World Championship MX1
05.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 23.00: Heat 1 AMA 450
06.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 00.00: Heat 1 AMA 250

Starts getting dark around 5 Wink
12/2/2011 4:40pm
at least you recognize that the AMA is the big show and should be last Whistling
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12/2/2011 4:44pm
MXMattii wrote:
What would you think about something like this? AMA National - Grand Prix of Budds Creek 16 & 17 June Sunday Program: 11.00AM Budds Creek Time...
What would you think about something like this?

AMA National - Grand Prix of Budds Creek 16 & 17 June

Sunday Program:

11.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 17.00 : Heat 1 World Championship MX2
12.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 18.00 : Heat 1 World Championship MX1
01.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 19.00: Heat 1 AMA 450
02.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 20.00: Heat 1 AMA 250
03.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 21.00: Heat 2 World Championship MX2
04.00 PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 22.00: Heat 2 World Championship MX1
05.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 23.00: Heat 1 AMA 450
06.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 00.00: Heat 1 AMA 250

Starts getting dark around 5 Wink
Not during June.
12/2/2011 5:03pm Edited Date/Time 12/2/2011 5:08pm
The AMA guys couldn't handle the track being so rough,especially after Saturday's racing on it too,except Rattray Whistling

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The AMA guys couldn't handle the track being so rough,especially after Saturday's racing on it too,except Rattray Whistling
Must be why we always win the MXDN?
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12/2/2011 5:18pm
I don't think Youthstream is gonna be coming back to Southern Maryland any time soon.
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12/2/2011 5:20pm
motogrady wrote:
I don't think Youthstream is gonna be coming back to Southern Maryland any time soon.
Or America for a GP.
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12/2/2011 5:56pm
motogrady wrote:
I don't think Youthstream is gonna be coming back to Southern Maryland any time soon.
Especially since the owner is still pissed about dealing with Giuseppe with the MXdN there...
12/2/2011 6:14pm
The AMA guys couldn't handle the track being so rough,especially after Saturday's racing on it too,except Rattray Whistling
Sherwood wrote:
Must be why we always win the MXDN?
Yeah short motosSmile
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12/2/2011 7:10pm
I don't think it would be an awful idea if you could get the teams to be on board. Would be interesting.
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12/2/2011 7:52pm
The AMA guys couldn't handle the track being so rough,especially after Saturday's racing on it too,except Rattray Whistling
AMA rips the tracks too deep for the GP peeps Whistling
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12/2/2011 8:33pm
The AMA guys couldn't handle the track being so rough,especially after Saturday's racing on it too,except Rattray Whistling
Sherwood wrote:
Must be why we always win the MXDN?
Yeah short motosSmile
Excuses excuses!
12/2/2011 10:11pm
Just have the two in the same race. 20 Spots for AMA guys and 20 spots for GP guys.
They can let er rip and we can enjoy the racing.
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12/2/2011 10:46pm Edited Date/Time 12/2/2011 10:49pm
Having a race like that would make sense for the GP promoters...probably wouldn't make a difference for the national promoters.

On the other hand, a combined race could be interesting...races that serve both GP and National points. It'll never happen, but it would most likely be the only way to bring a crowd to an American GP.

Again, this would really only help the GP series, which doesn't seem to be desirable. The national series and the Gp series are already rivals for the "best in the world," and the "deepest field of riders."

Business usually isn't a game of giving handouts like that, unless it's for charity.
12/3/2011 12:25am Edited Date/Time 12/3/2011 12:50am
I beg to differ It would probably be a waste of money for Youthstream,they'd argue about ticket sales because there's no real way of working it out,Glen Helen wasn't exactly lucrative for them afterall and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't make then want to try again with USGP would it? If Glen Helen attracted 15-20 thousand,I'm unsure if Budds creek would get that on top of their usual crowd,also the Gps run 2 days,bringing over all their pit box structures and other temporary structures,stands etc like they would have to would be more gain to the AMA,making the race look more professional and glamorous
I agree though about combining the ace,any proper fan would want to see the riders that were there,race each other,in a proper format in their usual respective classes (not the MXdN mix-mash),a proper Trans-am race,the drunken rednecks on the other hand would only know some of the AMA riders,pointless exercise really,I can't see either side gaining too much,nice though though
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12/3/2011 1:34am Edited Date/Time 12/3/2011 1:37am
Why bother... US-people apperently don´t want to see GP-racing. Let them have their own series. And let a openminded countrie that enjoys and love the sport in general have the GP insteed !
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12/3/2011 5:57am
Thing is, Y/S just can't figure out how to promote a race here.
They admitted it after the GH thing, something about "miscalculating the American public."
IMO, it's their duty, as holders of the license to run and showcase the sport around the globe, to not only
"go where none have gone before", but to also showcase their product to one of the biggest consumers of dirtbikes.

But hey, if they can't figure it out, so be it.
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12/3/2011 6:28am Edited Date/Time 12/3/2011 6:31am
motogrady wrote:
Thing is, Y/S just can't figure out how to promote a race here. They admitted it after the GH thing, something about "miscalculating the American public."...
Thing is, Y/S just can't figure out how to promote a race here.
They admitted it after the GH thing, something about "miscalculating the American public."
IMO, it's their duty, as holders of the license to run and showcase the sport around the globe, to not only
"go where none have gone before", but to also showcase their product to one of the biggest consumers of dirtbikes.

But hey, if they can't figure it out, so be it.
...they cant do much about an insular, apathetic public mindset.

The only way they could 'figure it out' would be to reshuffle the entire GP and MXdN calendar to a more preferable date (though I don't think there was a better one), drop the admission price especially for American fans AND lure American based riders with prize money. And still few would turn up because of the negative mindset that has sadly evolved among American Motocross fans towards the GPs - which is partly thanks to the loss of the USGP in the first place.
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12/3/2011 6:52am
motogrady wrote:
Thing is, Y/S just can't figure out how to promote a race here. They admitted it after the GH thing, something about "miscalculating the American public."...
Thing is, Y/S just can't figure out how to promote a race here.
They admitted it after the GH thing, something about "miscalculating the American public."
IMO, it's their duty, as holders of the license to run and showcase the sport around the globe, to not only
"go where none have gone before", but to also showcase their product to one of the biggest consumers of dirtbikes.

But hey, if they can't figure it out, so be it.
jamma10 wrote:
...they cant do much about an insular, apathetic public mindset. The only way they could 'figure it out' would be to reshuffle the entire GP and...
...they cant do much about an insular, apathetic public mindset.

The only way they could 'figure it out' would be to reshuffle the entire GP and MXdN calendar to a more preferable date (though I don't think there was a better one), drop the admission price especially for American fans AND lure American based riders with prize money. And still few would turn up because of the negative mindset that has sadly evolved among American Motocross fans towards the GPs - which is partly thanks to the loss of the USGP in the first place.
I'll pass on the insults to the American "mindset", and touch on a few other items.

The money? Sure, it's an issue. But if a guy really want's to do something here, a hundred bucks ain't gonna stop them.
What really hurt them, imo, was the attitude Y/S displayed in their bid to buy the AMA series.
Insults and arrogance don't sell here.
The Glen Helen thing was fallout from that.
The desNations at Budds showed there's interest here for sure.
As far as prize money and American riders running, why even bother?
You have great riders, a great show, why insist on American rider.participation?
Can Gussipie not find a way to showcase his product without the crutch of AMA involvement?

Apparently not.
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12/3/2011 9:06am
If this were even remotely possible, i'm pretty sure John Beasely has already looked into it!
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Make it RedBud and I`m with you.
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12/3/2011 9:20am
Xsenter wrote:
Why bother... US-people apperently don´t want to see GP-racing. Let them have their own series. And let a openminded countrie that enjoys and love the sport...
Why bother... US-people apperently don´t want to see GP-racing. Let them have their own series. And let a openminded countrie that enjoys and love the sport in general have the GP insteed !
Yeah..it is all us americans and our narrow mindset.

It has nothing to do with the fact that the US Nationals have a deeper field then the GPs, more riders, and an actual purse, and the possibility that some local kid can eat his wheaties and have an awesome day.

It also might have somthing to do with the fact that the MX Promoters group actually do work together as an organization rather than being run by one guy with a reputation for ass- raping every body he deals with over here.

What advantage would there be for an American promoter to host a GP as part of their national weekend? Even if it increased their turnout by the total that showed up at Glen Helen it wouldn't make it worth the sponsor conflicts, show money, and hassle of dealing with Youthstream, who would only desparately try to figure out some way to get their hand deeper into the cookie jar.

Youthstream is running back to the continent with it's tail between it's legs. It will be some time before they try to weasel their way into the American market with a GP again.
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12/3/2011 9:23am
Spat24 wrote:
Just have the two in the same race. 20 Spots for AMA guys and 20 spots for GP guys. They can let er rip and we...
Just have the two in the same race. 20 Spots for AMA guys and 20 spots for GP guys.
They can let er rip and we can enjoy the racing.
So half the guys that would normally vie for points in either series get denied?
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12/3/2011 9:38am
Spat24 wrote:
Just have the two in the same race. 20 Spots for AMA guys and 20 spots for GP guys. They can let er rip and we...
Just have the two in the same race. 20 Spots for AMA guys and 20 spots for GP guys.
They can let er rip and we can enjoy the racing.
GuyB wrote:
So half the guys that would normally vie for points in either series get denied?
Uhm yeah thats why I think something like this can work and a combine race for as well AMA as GP points not!
12/3/2011 10:36am
MXMattii wrote:
What would you think about something like this? AMA National - Grand Prix of Budds Creek 16 & 17 June Sunday Program: 11.00AM Budds Creek Time...
What would you think about something like this?

AMA National - Grand Prix of Budds Creek 16 & 17 June

Sunday Program:

11.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 17.00 : Heat 1 World Championship MX2
12.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 18.00 : Heat 1 World Championship MX1
01.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 19.00: Heat 1 AMA 450
02.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 20.00: Heat 1 AMA 250
03.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 21.00: Heat 2 World Championship MX2
04.00 PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 22.00: Heat 2 World Championship MX1
05.00AM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 23.00: Heat 1 AMA 450
06.00PM Budds Creek Time - UTC+1 Time 00.00: Heat 1 AMA 250

Starts getting dark around 5 Wink
Not in June!
12/3/2011 12:10pm
motogrady wrote:
Thing is, Y/S just can't figure out how to promote a race here. They admitted it after the GH thing, something about "miscalculating the American public."...
Thing is, Y/S just can't figure out how to promote a race here.
They admitted it after the GH thing, something about "miscalculating the American public."
IMO, it's their duty, as holders of the license to run and showcase the sport around the globe, to not only
"go where none have gone before", but to also showcase their product to one of the biggest consumers of dirtbikes.

But hey, if they can't figure it out, so be it.
jamma10 wrote:
...they cant do much about an insular, apathetic public mindset. The only way they could 'figure it out' would be to reshuffle the entire GP and...
...they cant do much about an insular, apathetic public mindset.

The only way they could 'figure it out' would be to reshuffle the entire GP and MXdN calendar to a more preferable date (though I don't think there was a better one), drop the admission price especially for American fans AND lure American based riders with prize money. And still few would turn up because of the negative mindset that has sadly evolved among American Motocross fans towards the GPs - which is partly thanks to the loss of the USGP in the first place.
motogrady wrote:
I'll pass on the insults to the American "mindset", and touch on a few other items. The money? Sure, it's an issue. But if a guy...
I'll pass on the insults to the American "mindset", and touch on a few other items.

The money? Sure, it's an issue. But if a guy really want's to do something here, a hundred bucks ain't gonna stop them.
What really hurt them, imo, was the attitude Y/S displayed in their bid to buy the AMA series.
Insults and arrogance don't sell here.
The Glen Helen thing was fallout from that.
The desNations at Budds showed there's interest here for sure.
As far as prize money and American riders running, why even bother?
You have great riders, a great show, why insist on American rider.participation?
Can Gussipie not find a way to showcase his product without the crutch of AMA involvement?

Apparently not.
I think you answered one major question there,Budds Creek showed there's interest,because of the Americans,yes we do have a great show,but without a home rider to cheer for (in a nation that has its MX following) its pretty much just the purists and hardcore that'll attend.
Regardless of what's gone on with Youthstream,I'm not sure that would stop a regular spectator from going?
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12/7/2011 6:05am
I attended every GP Buds Creek had.... Pathetic spectator attendance.... And it was not for a lack of Jonathan promoting it.... There were magazine ads, tv and news spots.

My question is....... Why/how did Unadilla draw such a crowd at the GP?
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12/7/2011 8:18am
lumpy790 wrote:
I attended every GP Buds Creek had.... Pathetic spectator attendance.... And it was not for a lack of Jonathan promoting it.... There were magazine ads, tv...
I attended every GP Buds Creek had.... Pathetic spectator attendance.... And it was not for a lack of Jonathan promoting it.... There were magazine ads, tv and news spots.

My question is....... Why/how did Unadilla draw such a crowd at the GP?
You're right, I was at 'em and saw more people at a Blue/Grey. (Blue/Grey is an annual event
where riders from north and south meet to set the record straight, a regional if you may).
Unidilla, was there also, and it was, as usual, wild. That place, I dunno, something special about that place.
The history, so many have gone for so long, the stories. If you ever went, you look back and kinda smile,
if you never went, hearing all that stuff, you wanna go.

I know there was a lot going on at the time, but I was shocked with the Glen Helen turnout also.
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12/7/2011 8:35am
lumpy790 wrote:
I attended every GP Buds Creek had.... Pathetic spectator attendance.... And it was not for a lack of Jonathan promoting it.... There were magazine ads, tv...
I attended every GP Buds Creek had.... Pathetic spectator attendance.... And it was not for a lack of Jonathan promoting it.... There were magazine ads, tv and news spots.

My question is....... Why/how did Unadilla draw such a crowd at the GP?
Unadilla GP drew large crowds because it was more than just a motocross race. It was more like a festival. I have many friends that could care less about the races that went and camped out every year. The attendance dropped a whole lot the years they banned alcohol.
I always loved the atmosphere of the Trans Am and the GP's.
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12/7/2011 8:51am
lumpy790 wrote:
I attended every GP Buds Creek had.... Pathetic spectator attendance.... And it was not for a lack of Jonathan promoting it.... There were magazine ads, tv...
I attended every GP Buds Creek had.... Pathetic spectator attendance.... And it was not for a lack of Jonathan promoting it.... There were magazine ads, tv and news spots.

My question is....... Why/how did Unadilla draw such a crowd at the GP?
Denny979 wrote:
Unadilla GP drew large crowds because it was more than just a motocross race. It was more like a festival. I have many friends that could...
Unadilla GP drew large crowds because it was more than just a motocross race. It was more like a festival. I have many friends that could care less about the races that went and camped out every year. The attendance dropped a whole lot the years they banned alcohol.
I always loved the atmosphere of the Trans Am and the GP's.
Same here.
One year a bunch of us rented 3 motorhomes, all the girlfriends went, guys that never rode went.
We trashed those things with so much mud I was shocked we wern't sued. I still hear about it when meeting up with
the old gang.

The Hill was a menace, yes, but a blast.

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