Helmet Question.

crashnburn11 11/2/2011 9:49pm
11/2/2011 9:49pm
A $250 properly fitted SNELL helmet is just fine. All this propoganda of "what is your head worth," the helmet being the right size and the foam not being used in a previous crash if far more important than the minor percentage points of the more expensive helmets.

That said, I am a believer that you should stay away from heavy helmets, no matter how much they cost. I mean, you don't want to be out in a bicycle helmet, but you don't need any extra mass that needs to change direction as it bounces off the ground.
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My $1069.00 Arai street helmet is by far the best fitting and most comfortable I've ever owned.
FlickitFlat 11/2/2011 9:58pm
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There is a lot of truth to that, I couldn't agree more with that theory. I'm just hating it that I'm throwing away a custom painted lid that I have around $400.00 in after taking a digger a few weeks ago. I'm just confused on what to buy as a replacement.
I was refering to MX757
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mx757 wrote:
Heres my theory on the subject. I can buy a good snell rated helmet, that fits well and is comfortable for roughly $225-250. A helmet is...
Heres my theory on the subject. I can buy a good snell rated helmet, that fits well and is comfortable for roughly $225-250. A helmet is good for 1 shot. Thats it. Now, knowing that, I am much more likely to toss the $250 helmet in the dumpster when it takes its shot than people will be with a $400+ lid. $400 is a lot of coin to drop, and people may be tempted to continue using that helmet even though its been compromised. Buy a helmet that you like, and can afford to replace when needed.
I give my old lids to kids who don't wear one.

Even though I've abused it, it's better than what they were wearing.

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I get the feeling that someday a bunch of you are gonna find-out where some of your Helmets (And their constituent materials) come from and your "Brand" bubbles are gonna BURST.

I'm jus' knowin'...
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TeamGreen wrote:
I get the feeling that someday a bunch of you are gonna find-out where some of your Helmets (And their constituent materials) come from and your...
I get the feeling that someday a bunch of you are gonna find-out where some of your Helmets (And their constituent materials) come from and your "Brand" bubbles are gonna BURST.

I'm jus' knowin'...
Hearing ya there. The old paying for the name. Fox fits my head well and if good enough for Chad, it's good enough for me.
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mx757 wrote:
Heres a good example of a snell and ECE helmet that is affordable, lightweight, looks good, and is readily available. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FLY-RACING-F2-CARBON-TREY-CANARD-HELMET-BLUE-WHITE-/300612402937?hash=item45fde53ef9&item=300612402937&pt=Apparel_Merchandise&vxp=mtr Any helmet thats good enough...
Heres a good example of a snell and ECE helmet that is affordable, lightweight, looks good, and is readily available.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FLY-RACING-F2-CARBON-TREY-CANARD-HELMET-BLUE-WH…

Any helmet thats good enough for canard and short cant be all bad.
I would not use a helmet because its good enough for a pro. Are you kidding me??? They get paid to wear those helmets. If thats the case you must not wear a chest protector then right?
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JoeBraxton 11/3/2011 9:02am
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M2R helmets are Snell and DOT approved...they do make an entry level helmet that's not. M2R helmets are very safe and are tested every bit as much as the more expensive brands. They make a really awesome FMF helmet I want to get but I just bought a new M2R a few months ago so I'll wait for a while longer.
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wawazat 11/3/2011 10:07am
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mx757 wrote:
Heres a good example of a snell and ECE helmet that is affordable, lightweight, looks good, and is readily available. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FLY-RACING-F2-CARBON-TREY-CANARD-HELMET-BLUE-WHITE-/300612402937?hash=item45fde53ef9&item=300612402937&pt=Apparel_Merchandise&vxp=mtr Any helmet thats good enough...
Heres a good example of a snell and ECE helmet that is affordable, lightweight, looks good, and is readily available.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FLY-RACING-F2-CARBON-TREY-CANARD-HELMET-BLUE-WH…

Any helmet thats good enough for canard and short cant be all bad.
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I would not use a helmet because its good enough for a pro. Are you kidding me??? They get paid to wear those helmets. If thats...
I would not use a helmet because its good enough for a pro. Are you kidding me??? They get paid to wear those helmets. If thats the case you must not wear a chest protector then right?
Really? Do you honestly think a pro rider would wear a helmet he doesn't belive in just cause they are paying him?

Just a fyi, two years ago I wrecked badly. I fell from about 12ft. first thing to hit the ground was my head, next was my shoulder.Three days in trauma unit at Loma Linda and plenty of broken bones. Here is what I'm getting at, I was wearing a M2R helmet. I fully believe the M2R helmet did it's job, as did the doctors.

mx510, I suggest you get a back issue of ESPN the Magazine. Really good srticle about how players feel about he helmets they use. Has it ever, and I mean ever been proven that a 500$ helmet is better than a 250$ helmet? I see you fully suscribe to the "if it costs more money it must be better theory."
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TeamGreen wrote:
I get the feeling that someday a bunch of you are gonna find-out where some of your Helmets (And their constituent materials) come from and your...
I get the feeling that someday a bunch of you are gonna find-out where some of your Helmets (And their constituent materials) come from and your "Brand" bubbles are gonna BURST.

I'm jus' knowin'...
Gilletty wrote:
Hearing ya there. The old paying for the name. Fox fits my head well and if good enough for Chad, it's good enough for me.
Oooooh! No you Di'n't!

That's one fo the brands that people seem to leave out of these conversations about QUALITY... and you've got folks like RC and Chad...and MANY others wearing their production stuff ALL THE time and they seem to be doing really well with it....

I was wearing Fox's "cheap" helmet when I hit the ground really hard at the Baja 500...it PROTECTED me...too bad it couldn;t save my shoulder! DOH! Guess what...it's rated as well as the $800 "Better" helmets certain folks are selling...

Then there's FLY's stuff (I wear the Shorty/Trey helmet...whatever it's called and it is EXCELLENT and has all the "ratings' and what-not...) Single best helmet for the $?

Bell? Anyone? Bell...remember them...they kinda STARTED this whole thing back in the day! The 9 is an EXCELLENT helmet!

Etc., etc., etc. ...
Jason-motox202 11/3/2011 10:24am
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I'm currently running a Shoei, but I also have 2 of the M2R helmets as well. Never had an issue with the m2r's or one of my Shoei's, I think they are both quality helmets. Buy which ever one you like and go ride!!
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wawazat wrote:
Really? Do you honestly think a pro rider would wear a helmet he doesn't belive in just cause they are paying him? Just a fyi, two...
Really? Do you honestly think a pro rider would wear a helmet he doesn't belive in just cause they are paying him?

Just a fyi, two years ago I wrecked badly. I fell from about 12ft. first thing to hit the ground was my head, next was my shoulder.Three days in trauma unit at Loma Linda and plenty of broken bones. Here is what I'm getting at, I was wearing a M2R helmet. I fully believe the M2R helmet did it's job, as did the doctors.

mx510, I suggest you get a back issue of ESPN the Magazine. Really good srticle about how players feel about he helmets they use. Has it ever, and I mean ever been proven that a 500$ helmet is better than a 250$ helmet? I see you fully suscribe to the "if it costs more money it must be better theory."
As a matter of fact I do believe that a rider will wear a less protective helmet for more money. Example, Broc Hepler. he wore an HJC helmet (he wore the HJC helmet that was the companies top of the line 300-400 dollar helmet at the time). He got a terrible concussion in it that he never recovered from. He then started wearing an Arai with HJC stickers on it.
I wear the Arai or Shoei because I believe in the fitment of the helmet. They fit my head far better than anyother helmet out there. I have tried on the new Troy Lee, Fox and Bell helmets and they do not fit nearly as well as the Arai or Shoei. I have never tried on the M2R or the new Fly, but I have worn the old "expensive" (2003-2004 time frame) Fly helmet and it was GARBAGE. So make your own conclusion on helmets, after all it is your head and your choice.
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wawazat 11/3/2011 10:43am
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wawazat wrote:
Really? Do you honestly think a pro rider would wear a helmet he doesn't belive in just cause they are paying him? Just a fyi, two...
Really? Do you honestly think a pro rider would wear a helmet he doesn't belive in just cause they are paying him?

Just a fyi, two years ago I wrecked badly. I fell from about 12ft. first thing to hit the ground was my head, next was my shoulder.Three days in trauma unit at Loma Linda and plenty of broken bones. Here is what I'm getting at, I was wearing a M2R helmet. I fully believe the M2R helmet did it's job, as did the doctors.

mx510, I suggest you get a back issue of ESPN the Magazine. Really good srticle about how players feel about he helmets they use. Has it ever, and I mean ever been proven that a 500$ helmet is better than a 250$ helmet? I see you fully suscribe to the "if it costs more money it must be better theory."
mx510 wrote:
As a matter of fact I do believe that a rider will wear a less protective helmet for more money. Example, Broc Hepler. he wore an...
As a matter of fact I do believe that a rider will wear a less protective helmet for more money. Example, Broc Hepler. he wore an HJC helmet (he wore the HJC helmet that was the companies top of the line 300-400 dollar helmet at the time). He got a terrible concussion in it that he never recovered from. He then started wearing an Arai with HJC stickers on it.
I wear the Arai or Shoei because I believe in the fitment of the helmet. They fit my head far better than anyother helmet out there. I have tried on the new Troy Lee, Fox and Bell helmets and they do not fit nearly as well as the Arai or Shoei. I have never tried on the M2R or the new Fly, but I have worn the old "expensive" (2003-2004 time frame) Fly helmet and it was GARBAGE. So make your own conclusion on helmets, after all it is your head and your choice.
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case.
So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of gotten the concussions?
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wawazat wrote:
Really? Do you honestly think a pro rider would wear a helmet he doesn't belive in just cause they are paying him? Just a fyi, two...
Really? Do you honestly think a pro rider would wear a helmet he doesn't belive in just cause they are paying him?

Just a fyi, two years ago I wrecked badly. I fell from about 12ft. first thing to hit the ground was my head, next was my shoulder.Three days in trauma unit at Loma Linda and plenty of broken bones. Here is what I'm getting at, I was wearing a M2R helmet. I fully believe the M2R helmet did it's job, as did the doctors.

mx510, I suggest you get a back issue of ESPN the Magazine. Really good srticle about how players feel about he helmets they use. Has it ever, and I mean ever been proven that a 500$ helmet is better than a 250$ helmet? I see you fully suscribe to the "if it costs more money it must be better theory."
mx510 wrote:
As a matter of fact I do believe that a rider will wear a less protective helmet for more money. Example, Broc Hepler. he wore an...
As a matter of fact I do believe that a rider will wear a less protective helmet for more money. Example, Broc Hepler. he wore an HJC helmet (he wore the HJC helmet that was the companies top of the line 300-400 dollar helmet at the time). He got a terrible concussion in it that he never recovered from. He then started wearing an Arai with HJC stickers on it.
I wear the Arai or Shoei because I believe in the fitment of the helmet. They fit my head far better than anyother helmet out there. I have tried on the new Troy Lee, Fox and Bell helmets and they do not fit nearly as well as the Arai or Shoei. I have never tried on the M2R or the new Fly, but I have worn the old "expensive" (2003-2004 time frame) Fly helmet and it was GARBAGE. So make your own conclusion on helmets, after all it is your head and your choice.
wawazat wrote:
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case. So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of...
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case.
So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of gotten the concussions?
Safe to say that was implied...
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wawazat wrote:
Really? Do you honestly think a pro rider would wear a helmet he doesn't belive in just cause they are paying him? Just a fyi, two...
Really? Do you honestly think a pro rider would wear a helmet he doesn't belive in just cause they are paying him?

Just a fyi, two years ago I wrecked badly. I fell from about 12ft. first thing to hit the ground was my head, next was my shoulder.Three days in trauma unit at Loma Linda and plenty of broken bones. Here is what I'm getting at, I was wearing a M2R helmet. I fully believe the M2R helmet did it's job, as did the doctors.

mx510, I suggest you get a back issue of ESPN the Magazine. Really good srticle about how players feel about he helmets they use. Has it ever, and I mean ever been proven that a 500$ helmet is better than a 250$ helmet? I see you fully suscribe to the "if it costs more money it must be better theory."
mx510 wrote:
As a matter of fact I do believe that a rider will wear a less protective helmet for more money. Example, Broc Hepler. he wore an...
As a matter of fact I do believe that a rider will wear a less protective helmet for more money. Example, Broc Hepler. he wore an HJC helmet (he wore the HJC helmet that was the companies top of the line 300-400 dollar helmet at the time). He got a terrible concussion in it that he never recovered from. He then started wearing an Arai with HJC stickers on it.
I wear the Arai or Shoei because I believe in the fitment of the helmet. They fit my head far better than anyother helmet out there. I have tried on the new Troy Lee, Fox and Bell helmets and they do not fit nearly as well as the Arai or Shoei. I have never tried on the M2R or the new Fly, but I have worn the old "expensive" (2003-2004 time frame) Fly helmet and it was GARBAGE. So make your own conclusion on helmets, after all it is your head and your choice.
wawazat wrote:
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case. So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of...
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case.
So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of gotten the concussions?
Wasn't Pastrana wearing a Shoei when he got his back to back concussions on his 125, unadilla and washogal?
Jason-motox202 11/3/2011 11:00am
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Wasn't Pastrana wearing a Shoei when he got his back to back concussions on his 125, unadilla and washogal?
Yep, should of been the exact helmet in your avatar, Ive got 2 of those on the shelf!! Bad ass lids
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M2R helmets are Snell and DOT approved...they do make an entry level helmet that's not. M2R helmets are very safe and are tested every bit as...
M2R helmets are Snell and DOT approved...they do make an entry level helmet that's not. M2R helmets are very safe and are tested every bit as much as the more expensive brands. They make a really awesome FMF helmet I want to get but I just bought a new M2R a few months ago so I'll wait for a while longer.
Lol, thats the helmet i want to buy...the fmf one. Its soo sweet.

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wawazat wrote:
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case. So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of...
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case.
So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of gotten the concussions?
First @ Team Green-I implied nothing. I stated what is fact. You can take it and twist it however you want.

Yak- I never said that a Shoei or an Arai would completely prevent a concussion. I do believe that they will protect you better if they are fitted right but, they cannot protect you against every crash at every speed (there is no helmet that can).

And finally wawazat- I have no idea if he was wearing an Arai if he would not have gotten a concussion. You have to admit the fact that he came back wearing an Arai with HJC stickers on it says a little something doesnt it?
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wawazat wrote:
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case. So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of...
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case.
So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of gotten the concussions?
mx510 wrote:
First @ Team Green-I implied nothing. I stated what is fact. You can take it and twist it however you want. Yak- I never said that...
First @ Team Green-I implied nothing. I stated what is fact. You can take it and twist it however you want.

Yak- I never said that a Shoei or an Arai would completely prevent a concussion. I do believe that they will protect you better if they are fitted right but, they cannot protect you against every crash at every speed (there is no helmet that can).

And finally wawazat- I have no idea if he was wearing an Arai if he would not have gotten a concussion. You have to admit the fact that he came back wearing an Arai with HJC stickers on it says a little something doesnt it?
Oh, OK, my bad..."the statement of fact" doesn't draw a direct comparo between the two items in the argument.

My bad.

To be even more direct: You notice that I never disagreed with your "point"?
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wawazat 11/3/2011 12:54pm
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wawazat wrote:
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case. So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of...
I knew you would bring the Hepler deal up to make your case.
So your saying that had Broc been wearing a Arai, he wouldn't of gotten the concussions?
mx510 wrote:
First @ Team Green-I implied nothing. I stated what is fact. You can take it and twist it however you want. Yak- I never said that...
First @ Team Green-I implied nothing. I stated what is fact. You can take it and twist it however you want.

Yak- I never said that a Shoei or an Arai would completely prevent a concussion. I do believe that they will protect you better if they are fitted right but, they cannot protect you against every crash at every speed (there is no helmet that can).

And finally wawazat- I have no idea if he was wearing an Arai if he would not have gotten a concussion. You have to admit the fact that he came back wearing an Arai with HJC stickers on it says a little something doesnt it?
In my opinion, if hepler took the jack to wear a saftey product he didn't believe in, he is an idiot. It is also my opinion that if you think because something costs more it will make you safer, you should take a deeper look at things. Hepler was an injury prone rider. A professional athlete should never wear a piece of saftey gear unless he believes in it. Guys like Reed, James, Poto, can basically get a contract with anyone they want, they apparently don't think like you.
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Oh, OK, my bad..."the statement of fact" doesn't draw a direct comparo between the two items in the argument. My bad. To be even more direct...
Oh, OK, my bad..."the statement of fact" doesn't draw a direct comparo between the two items in the argument.

My bad.

To be even more direct: You notice that I never disagreed with your "point"?
Then my bad as well. I took it as you were saying that I implied that Hepler wouldnt have gotten a concussion with an Arai strapped to his head.
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as the old saying goes.....if you have a $10 head wear a $10 helmet. If you have a superior brain then I would suggest Arai, Shoei...
as the old saying goes.....if you have a $10 head wear a $10 helmet. If you have a superior brain then I would suggest Arai, Shoei or new TLD 3
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Thats a really misinformed statement. I'm certain you can't prove to me that the Arai is safer than the M2R. There are no real standards for...
Thats a really misinformed statement. I'm certain you can't prove to me that the Arai is safer than the M2R. There are no real standards for testing and how can you replicate any accident twice? Yeah yeah they all do their own various forms of testing, but this argument is hashed out over and over and I've never read a conclusive test showing how a Shoei or Arai were safer.

I used to do a lot of work for Made 2 Race / M2R Helmets and went into detail with them on how they build their helmets, test, etc. They're as safe as any of them, by all means.
You're actually fairly wrong. For my senior research paper during my engineering studies, I chose to research testing procedures for advanced composites and polymers, which included a section about the testing methods of helmet safety ratings (always had to figure out some way to involve motorcycles with my college classes!)

You see, it turns out every test HAS to be 100% replicable everytime a test is performed, known as a standard. Snell, DOT, and all the EU safety rating companies comply by a general guideline. Usually the parameters for the test must be held constant (mass of object striking the helmet, velocity, angle, and impact area) so all of these tests are done on highly automated testing centers that are PLC controlled and every variable can be measured. All tests are done according to the standard parameters and a statistical bell-curve data plot is created to support that the findings are repeatable. The Toyota standard is often used in these statistics which, among other qualities, states the data must show that results of the tests contain less than .3% error, or in other-words a 99.7% success rate. Basically, a company must prove that every helmet will meet the standards, although a defective helmet may fail ocasionally, not the reverse as to where say maybe half of their helmets pass and the other half fail which would not reward the proper ratings. Third party engineering and physics firms are often involved to validate the operation of testing procedures and sanctioning bodies for snell and dot are usually involved to make sure testing procedures comply to acheive satisying ratings.

So, one should know that if a helmet is rated Snell and DOT approved, it has passed generalized testings. Helmets that are tagged "exceeds snell and DOT ratings" can be misleading and do not genereally mean a superior product without statistical data of impact ratings from the manufacturer. But I will say yes, a Shoei or Arai that exceeds standards is going to be better than the Rocky Mountain $69.99 Mossimo helmet that meets all standards.
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In my opinion, if hepler took the jack to wear a saftey product he didn't believe in, he is an idiot. It is also my opinion...
In my opinion, if hepler took the jack to wear a saftey product he didn't believe in, he is an idiot. It is also my opinion that if you think because something costs more it will make you safer, you should take a deeper look at things. Hepler was an injury prone rider. A professional athlete should never wear a piece of saftey gear unless he believes in it. Guys like Reed, James, Poto, can basically get a contract with anyone they want, they apparently don't think like you.
I dont know why Hepler wore the HJC. And I dont, you dont, nobody really knows why Reed wears what he wears, Villo wears what he wears etc... And while I do believe that they could get a contract with whoever they want, they "might" go with the highest bidder. Its their choice, they can choose whatever gear, helmet, goggles they want.
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No China helmets on my head.
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No China helmets on my head.
What are ya wearing?
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Here in Barcelona Fox, Airoh, Shoei(solid color), Bell,.. cost about the same, around 350 euro. Arai is more expensive so I wont go that way. Considering that money is not an issue then, which one should I get?

What about the AGV?

What about the Suomi? It's incredibly light!
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I have 2 helmets. I have a carbon fiber Fox RC helmet which is so light that it makes riding so much better because of the light weight. It doesn't fit all to great though. It's a little loose.

I have an Arai helmet which fits snug but is heavy.

I feel safer in the Arai but man the light weight of the carbon fiber fox helmet is a joy to ride with.
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steve_97060 11/3/2011 6:14pm
11/3/2011 6:14pm
I have a Shoei and an Airoh Aviator, the Airoh is my fave...

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