Who gained the most credibility...Yamaha or KTM?

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Which oem gained the most credibility with this off-season? KTM by hiring former Suzuki rider Ryan Dungey or Yamaha by retaining James Stewart?
Both riders are capable of winning championships and both riders could argue their machines kept them from championships in 2011.
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MX Sports Medicine wrote:
KTM ALL the way...
Yup. You don't gain by retaining.
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Neither. Credibility is earned on the track with race results.
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MX Sports Medicine wrote:
KTM ALL the way...
MotoChief wrote:
Yup. You don't gain by retaining.
Really, all James did was sign a 2-year extension to ride Yamaha's (as he was originally already under contract with them for 2012).

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Sherwood wrote:
Neither. Credibility is earned on the track with race results.
Hence, you'll know in January.

My money's on the JGR/JS7/FMF combo.
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Ask this question in May and/or September.
UpTiTe 10/25/2011 7:34pm
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I would say that JGR and KTM with Roger have an equal amount of cred.
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MX Sports Medicine wrote:
KTM ALL the way...
MotoChief wrote:
Yup. You don't gain by retaining.
RaceFace wrote:
Really, all James did was sign a 2-year extension to ride Yamaha's (as he was originally already under contract with them for 2012).
He went from a semi-pro team to a real pro team...
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Faceaz 10/25/2011 7:47pm
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Without a doubt: KTM.

Yamaha didn't gain any, they lost & JGR gained more than they had. JS Quote: "When I saw their Yamaha compared to mine, I was like, ‘Are you kidding me? They haven’t won a championship yet?’ Let me come over and help these guys out.”

So Stewart is saying JGR's bike blows away his factory Yamaha. It's not the bike, it's what JGR is doing with it.
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RaceFace 10/25/2011 7:52pm
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MotoChief wrote:
Yup. You don't gain by retaining.
RaceFace wrote:
Really, all James did was sign a 2-year extension to ride Yamaha's (as he was originally already under contract with them for 2012).
Sherwood wrote:
He went from a semi-pro team to a real pro team...
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team is now considered a team of numbskulls because James couldn't win with them over the last few years. I think they have 2 SX titles with 2 different riders after being in existence for how many years? 6? 5? Honda has zero over the same time period.
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Faceaz wrote:
Without a doubt: KTM. Yamaha didn't gain any, they lost & JGR gained more than they had. JS Quote: "When I saw their Yamaha compared to...
Without a doubt: KTM.

Yamaha didn't gain any, they lost & JGR gained more than they had. JS Quote: "When I saw their Yamaha compared to mine, I was like, ‘Are you kidding me? They haven’t won a championship yet?’ Let me come over and help these guys out.”

So Stewart is saying JGR's bike blows away his factory Yamaha. It's not the bike, it's what JGR is doing with it.
I would say if Josh Grant, Brayton and Milsaps results were better I would believe it was that good... but I think they are coming along to be a force.
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RaceFace 10/25/2011 8:05pm
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Faceaz wrote:
Without a doubt: KTM. Yamaha didn't gain any, they lost & JGR gained more than they had. JS Quote: "When I saw their Yamaha compared to...
Without a doubt: KTM.

Yamaha didn't gain any, they lost & JGR gained more than they had. JS Quote: "When I saw their Yamaha compared to mine, I was like, ‘Are you kidding me? They haven’t won a championship yet?’ Let me come over and help these guys out.”

So Stewart is saying JGR's bike blows away his factory Yamaha. It's not the bike, it's what JGR is doing with it.
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I would say if Josh Grant, Brayton and Milsaps results were better I would believe it was that good... but I think they are coming along...
I would say if Josh Grant, Brayton and Milsaps results were better I would believe it was that good... but I think they are coming along to be a force.
I agree. If the bike is that much better, I expect James will be a few seconds a lap faster this year?
T Man 345 10/25/2011 8:07pm
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Right now, KTM.

In 6 Months, Honda #22!!!

BOOM! ; )
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RaceFace wrote:
Really, all James did was sign a 2-year extension to ride Yamaha's (as he was originally already under contract with them for 2012).
Sherwood wrote:
He went from a semi-pro team to a real pro team...
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Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team...
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team is now considered a team of numbskulls because James couldn't win with them over the last few years. I think they have 2 SX titles with 2 different riders after being in existence for how many years? 6? 5? Honda has zero over the same time period.
He said in 1 of these videos that there really wasn't much choice out there when Kawi dropped him
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RaceFace wrote:
Really, all James did was sign a 2-year extension to ride Yamaha's (as he was originally already under contract with them for 2012).
Sherwood wrote:
He went from a semi-pro team to a real pro team...
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Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team...
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team is now considered a team of numbskulls because James couldn't win with them over the last few years. I think they have 2 SX titles with 2 different riders after being in existence for how many years? 6? 5? Honda has zero over the same time period.
L&M had a great salesmen.

L&M's bike put Reed on his head and could never get a good setup outdoor for him the couple races they did. Same for Stewart. Both riders have exactly how many good things to say about the team?
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IT's hard to say...

If the Factory supported LM Yamaha isn't as good as what JGR is making... IF that is true, then Yamaha look like Mugs...

KTM is doing what they have been doing in Europe for years, just stacking the decks... you'd have to think they are looking at Dungey with KR and MM in the 450s in a couple of years...
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Sherwood wrote:
He went from a semi-pro team to a real pro team...
RaceFace wrote:
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team...
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team is now considered a team of numbskulls because James couldn't win with them over the last few years. I think they have 2 SX titles with 2 different riders after being in existence for how many years? 6? 5? Honda has zero over the same time period.
redalert144 wrote:
He said in 1 of these videos that there really wasn't much choice out there when Kawi dropped him
He said in 1 of these videos that there really wasn't much choice out there when Kawi dropped him
Well, not for umpteen million per year for SX only........ I love too that Kawasaki "dropped" him. He claims they never even made an offer. Right. We all agree that he has said the Kawasaki sucked many times over, correct? But he was really really wanting to be there?

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Sherwood wrote:
He went from a semi-pro team to a real pro team...
RaceFace wrote:
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team...
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team is now considered a team of numbskulls because James couldn't win with them over the last few years. I think they have 2 SX titles with 2 different riders after being in existence for how many years? 6? 5? Honda has zero over the same time period.
Sherwood wrote:
L&M had a great salesmen. L&M's bike put Reed on his head and could never get a good setup outdoor for him the couple races they...
L&M had a great salesmen.

L&M's bike put Reed on his head and could never get a good setup outdoor for him the couple races they did. Same for Stewart. Both riders have exactly how many good things to say about the team?
Another guy that won a title with them in spite of their ineptness. If you want to go that route with Reed, he sucked on a factory Kawasaki. Was that the team being inept? The same team that dominated a year later with RV? He bad-mouthed them too after leaving (mid contract!). Is there a pattern here?

All the Stew-fans can keep hyping this up pre-SX 2012. JGR is a great team, no question, but L&M is the reason James finished 4th last year? Not buying it. JGR will be the reason he wins titles again? Not buying it.
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RaceFace wrote:
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team...
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team is now considered a team of numbskulls because James couldn't win with them over the last few years. I think they have 2 SX titles with 2 different riders after being in existence for how many years? 6? 5? Honda has zero over the same time period.
redalert144 wrote:
He said in 1 of these videos that there really wasn't much choice out there when Kawi dropped him
He said in 1 of these videos that there really wasn't much choice out there when Kawi dropped him
RaceFace wrote:
Well, not for umpteen million per year for SX only........ I love too that Kawasaki "dropped" him. He claims they never even made an offer. Right...
Well, not for umpteen million per year for SX only........ I love too that Kawasaki "dropped" him. He claims they never even made an offer. Right. We all agree that he has said the Kawasaki sucked many times over, correct? But he was really really wanting to be there?
Carmichael said that Kawasaki never made him an offer either. You call BS on that one too?

It's a vicious cycle. Kawasaki knew they had Stewart coming up, so they didn't want to pay Ricky. In Stewart's case, they had Villopoto coming, so they didn't make James an offer. Smart business really, and it paid off both times.

As far as the SX only thing, didn't he say that was how the L&M contract was, and that he didn't have a choice?
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RaceFace wrote:
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team...
Why was he on a semi-pro team then? Wasn't he just about the hottest property when he signed with L&M? It's amazing that the L&M team is now considered a team of numbskulls because James couldn't win with them over the last few years. I think they have 2 SX titles with 2 different riders after being in existence for how many years? 6? 5? Honda has zero over the same time period.
Sherwood wrote:
L&M had a great salesmen. L&M's bike put Reed on his head and could never get a good setup outdoor for him the couple races they...
L&M had a great salesmen.

L&M's bike put Reed on his head and could never get a good setup outdoor for him the couple races they did. Same for Stewart. Both riders have exactly how many good things to say about the team?
RaceFace wrote:
Another guy that won a title with them in spite of their ineptness. If you want to go that route with Reed, he sucked on a...
Another guy that won a title with them in spite of their ineptness. If you want to go that route with Reed, he sucked on a factory Kawasaki. Was that the team being inept? The same team that dominated a year later with RV? He bad-mouthed them too after leaving (mid contract!). Is there a pattern here?

All the Stew-fans can keep hyping this up pre-SX 2012. JGR is a great team, no question, but L&M is the reason James finished 4th last year? Not buying it. JGR will be the reason he wins titles again? Not buying it.
The same drama filled team that tried to ruin a relationship with Mitch and had to fire it's team manager after said domination at Kawasaki? A good team manager dosen't let all the behind the scene drama happen. Something LB and Fisher in my opinion didn't do a good job at.
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Ask this question in May and/or September.
Mom is smart.
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After its all said and done everyone will see Yamaha will be shining. Stewart will win Supercross and Motocross championships next year if he doesnt get injured.
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mxr300ex wrote:
After its all said and done everyone will see Yamaha will be shining. Stewart will win Supercross and Motocross championships next year if he doesnt get...
After its all said and done everyone will see Yamaha will be shining. Stewart will win Supercross and Motocross championships next year if he doesnt get injured.
I don't know about SX & MX. Albrecht said that Stewart does not have to race the nationals if he does not want to.
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mxr300ex wrote:
After its all said and done everyone will see Yamaha will be shining. Stewart will win Supercross and Motocross championships next year if he doesnt get...
After its all said and done everyone will see Yamaha will be shining. Stewart will win Supercross and Motocross championships next year if he doesnt get injured.
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I don't know about SX & MX. Albrecht said that Stewart does not have to race the nationals if he does not want to.
I expect him to. Sounds kind of like the deal Reed got when he left L&M.
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mxr300ex 10/26/2011 9:02am
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Stewart said he's racing the nationals.
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mxr300ex wrote:
Stewart said he's racing the nationals.
Did you believe it the last 3 years also?
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mom241 wrote:
Ask this question in May and/or September.
GuyB wrote:
Mom is smart.
Not saying she's wrong, but hunting season through May/September would leave too many casualties.
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mxr300ex wrote:
Stewart said he's racing the nationals.
DownSouth wrote:
Did you believe it the last 3 years also?
He was on a Sx only team that couldn't even set the bike up for SX, let alone the outdoors. I feel that he had to do what Reed did after L&M and save face with the fans.

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