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gsxrcr28 10/21/2011 2:37pm
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hondaburner11 wrote:
What a shitty way to glorify a spoiled little shit like stewart. Stewart is fast when his head aint somewhere else
That dude earned his spoils, good for him.

As for the original question, I think James would be faster on a 125 but RC would win the Championship. Those two put on some of the best battles in MX and SX history and I am thankful for that. James was much less experienced than RC and held his own amazingly well, and I always cheered for RC to win against James, mostly because he was the veteran in the class.

People have to remember he was 19 or 20 years old trying to beat the Greatest Of All Time, not too shabby.
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bama205 10/21/2011 2:44pm
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mxpunk wrote:
RC, hands down. JS was fast on a 125 but how many times was he really challenged? I think Jesseman was running with him in 03...
RC, hands down.

JS was fast on a 125 but how many times was he really challenged? I think Jesseman was running with him in 03 here and there..thats it.

Oh..and Roncada at Vegas ? in 04 in supercross

JS cracks under pressure, he can ride fast but he can't race good.

Anyone who thinks differently forgets that RC was never beaten in a title chase. But I will say..Bubba did have RC covered in SX towards the end.
Never been beat in a title chase?


uhhh. I would like to encourage you to re check your facts on that one sir.
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peelout 10/21/2011 2:46pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
RC beat Stewart for championships. The jackasses try to put Stewart down on the basis of Carmichael's accoomplishments in terms of RC "destroying" or "ruining" Stewart...
RC beat Stewart for championships. The jackasses try to put Stewart down on the basis of Carmichael's accoomplishments in terms of RC "destroying" or "ruining" Stewart are more interested in putting Stewart down than celebrating RC or dealing with the fact of how good Stewart is and was, and that he's the only guy who really gave RC a run in his prime. And that's a disgrace.

But for a couple of Windham one-offs with a 450, Stewart was the only threat to RC outdoors, and that produced some epic races in 2006 and 2007. No one else was ever even close. We should be thankful for that, not shitting on the guy. If RC ruined Stewart, then I guess he butt raped and gutted every other rider who busted his ass to put on a show. What a shitty way to look at the sport.
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FreshTopEnd 10/21/2011 3:58pm
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peelout wrote:
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Maron, follow the posts back up to the guy who said RC ruined Stewart on 250's. XOXOX FTE.
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mag23 10/22/2011 12:06am
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peelout wrote:
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Maron, follow the posts back up to the guy who said RC ruined Stewart on 250's. XOXOX FTE.
FTE, you need a drink, it'll help you relax... No disrespect to Stewart, those are your words. You're lookin way too deep into this. If I'm a 'moran', so be it, still doesn't change the fact that RC is, what, 4-0 against Stewart. Relax tough guy, just a fun bench race here.
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FreshTopEnd 10/22/2011 8:36am
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I don't need to relax, but if you think the "moran" play is for you, you need to learn to read and follow the quotes.

RC's records speak for themselves and establish him as the greatest. There's a difference between saying RC beat Stewart and saying he ruined him. You're the one who pulled 2005 SX out of your ass to argue RC "ruined" Stewart on 250s. Those were great races Stewart ran against RC, something to be celebrated, but somehow it's better to ridicule Stewart and not raise a cup to him for being about the only guy besides Reed who had the gumption to give beating RC a shot.

Just own up to writing something that was flat dumb ass. You're not the only guy here who's blind dislike of Stewart has lead him to make himself a fool out of himself. Or is this where you deflect and bring up the Kings again to talk crap that has nothing to do with the post?
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mxpunk 10/22/2011 9:41am
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Honestly...

Arguing that Stewart was faster on 125's then RC is kind of pointless. I honestly think that the top 5-10 riders in each class have the ability to win and "ride" like the wind...

It was before my time but people still talk about how fast Reynard was and he beat RC!

Tortelli...another would of could've should've....dude used to give RC fits when they were both on team honda. he also beat RC

Windham....also beat RC.

And...when rc was on 125's it was a different era IMO..the new style of riding that you see today with scrubbing and high levels of training were both brought forward by JS and RC when they both moved up (RC going to 250's, JS going pro)
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RaceFace 10/22/2011 4:52pm
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mxpunk wrote:
Honestly... Arguing that Stewart was faster on 125's then RC is kind of pointless. I honestly think that the top 5-10 riders in each class have...
Honestly...

Arguing that Stewart was faster on 125's then RC is kind of pointless. I honestly think that the top 5-10 riders in each class have the ability to win and "ride" like the wind...

It was before my time but people still talk about how fast Reynard was and he beat RC!

Tortelli...another would of could've should've....dude used to give RC fits when they were both on team honda. he also beat RC

Windham....also beat RC.

And...when rc was on 125's it was a different era IMO..the new style of riding that you see today with scrubbing and high levels of training were both brought forward by JS and RC when they both moved up (RC going to 250's, JS going pro)
If Reynard was before your time you need to understand that RC and JS are not responsible for bringing training to MX. There are tons of riders before them that were insane maddogs when it came to training, going way way back. I witnessed the likes of Bailey, Ward, O'mara, and Johnson and to claim they weren't bringing it training-wise back in the 80's would be absurd. But due to your age, you wouldn't know that. Understand it though.
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mag23 10/22/2011 5:19pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
I don't need to relax, but if you think the "moran" play is for you, you need to learn to read and follow the quotes. RC's...
I don't need to relax, but if you think the "moran" play is for you, you need to learn to read and follow the quotes.

RC's records speak for themselves and establish him as the greatest. There's a difference between saying RC beat Stewart and saying he ruined him. You're the one who pulled 2005 SX out of your ass to argue RC "ruined" Stewart on 250s. Those were great races Stewart ran against RC, something to be celebrated, but somehow it's better to ridicule Stewart and not raise a cup to him for being about the only guy besides Reed who had the gumption to give beating RC a shot.

Just own up to writing something that was flat dumb ass. You're not the only guy here who's blind dislike of Stewart has lead him to make himself a fool out of himself. Or is this where you deflect and bring up the Kings again to talk crap that has nothing to do with the post?
goodness, FTE, maybe I shouldn't have told you to have a drink, sounds like you've had too much to drink... Stewart is actually my favorite racer, but I'm not afraid to fess up and give RC credit for mopping him up... just relax, your feeble mind is playing tricks on itself if you think I'm trashing Stewart.
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FreshTopEnd 10/22/2011 6:37pm
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You need to get better at changing the subject. Saying I'm feeble-minded or drinking or not drinking enough doesn't change that writing that RC ruined Stewart in SX in 05 was dopey. Were you drunk when you wrote it? Or just stupid? Or "clever?" Or merely clueless about what went down?

Just employing your rhetorical device; avoid the topic and call the other guy names. It's a mediocre trick. You can do better I'm sure. Just slow your mouth down and let your brain catch up. No matter how long it takes.
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mag23 10/22/2011 10:40pm
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You need to get better at changing the subject. Saying I'm feeble-minded or drinking or not drinking enough doesn't change that writing that RC ruined Stewart...
You need to get better at changing the subject. Saying I'm feeble-minded or drinking or not drinking enough doesn't change that writing that RC ruined Stewart in SX in 05 was dopey. Were you drunk when you wrote it? Or just stupid? Or "clever?" Or merely clueless about what went down?

Just employing your rhetorical device; avoid the topic and call the other guy names. It's a mediocre trick. You can do better I'm sure. Just slow your mouth down and let your brain catch up. No matter how long it takes.
damn FTE, not sure what to say... I must be clueless... but I do know this much, Carmichael 4 championships, Stewart 0. I'm not calling anybody names, and my brain is fairly slow, but it is fast enough to realize that Carmichael still won the '05 sx title on a 2fiddy... shoot, I almost forgot, Stewart was on a 2smoke in the 05 Nationals, as well, and we all know how that season went down, don't we? Not baggin on Stewart, but not gonna sugar coat it either and pretend he even had a chance against RC. I did call you feeble minded, as you were the one to start taking this personally by calling me a 'maron', and accusing me of having a 'blind dislike' for Stewart. While we're here bench racin on the subject of Stewart v Carmichael, why don't you enlighten all of us Stewart haters as to what 'went down' in 2005... we all know the ending of your story, but why don't you humor us a little with your intimate knowledge of the details? And before you call me a Kings hater, they're my favorite team, had season tickets unfortunately, I was hoping you'd catch the similarities between Carmicheal 4 Stewart 0, and the Lakers 3 Kings 0 playoff 'rivalry', you being from Sac and all, but I guess you do tend to miss details like that... flame on moto buddy
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mxpunk 10/22/2011 11:26pm
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mxpunk wrote:
Honestly... Arguing that Stewart was faster on 125's then RC is kind of pointless. I honestly think that the top 5-10 riders in each class have...
Honestly...

Arguing that Stewart was faster on 125's then RC is kind of pointless. I honestly think that the top 5-10 riders in each class have the ability to win and "ride" like the wind...

It was before my time but people still talk about how fast Reynard was and he beat RC!

Tortelli...another would of could've should've....dude used to give RC fits when they were both on team honda. he also beat RC

Windham....also beat RC.

And...when rc was on 125's it was a different era IMO..the new style of riding that you see today with scrubbing and high levels of training were both brought forward by JS and RC when they both moved up (RC going to 250's, JS going pro)
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If Reynard was before your time you need to understand that RC and JS are not responsible for bringing training to MX. There are tons of...
If Reynard was before your time you need to understand that RC and JS are not responsible for bringing training to MX. There are tons of riders before them that were insane maddogs when it came to training, going way way back. I witnessed the likes of Bailey, Ward, O'mara, and Johnson and to claim they weren't bringing it training-wise back in the 80's would be absurd. But due to your age, you wouldn't know that. Understand it though.
I see where you're coming from...

They're responsible for bringing it back in fashion, if you will.
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`ol Ger 10/23/2011 5:13am
10/23/2011 5:13am
Idoits. When the stewart book comes out, we will gain access into just how much RC intimidated Stewart. A lot.
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gsxrcr28 10/23/2011 7:26am
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
You need to get better at changing the subject. Saying I'm feeble-minded or drinking or not drinking enough doesn't change that writing that RC ruined Stewart...
You need to get better at changing the subject. Saying I'm feeble-minded or drinking or not drinking enough doesn't change that writing that RC ruined Stewart in SX in 05 was dopey. Were you drunk when you wrote it? Or just stupid? Or "clever?" Or merely clueless about what went down?

Just employing your rhetorical device; avoid the topic and call the other guy names. It's a mediocre trick. You can do better I'm sure. Just slow your mouth down and let your brain catch up. No matter how long it takes.
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damn FTE, not sure what to say... I must be clueless... but I do know this much, Carmichael 4 championships, Stewart 0. I'm not calling anybody...
damn FTE, not sure what to say... I must be clueless... but I do know this much, Carmichael 4 championships, Stewart 0. I'm not calling anybody names, and my brain is fairly slow, but it is fast enough to realize that Carmichael still won the '05 sx title on a 2fiddy... shoot, I almost forgot, Stewart was on a 2smoke in the 05 Nationals, as well, and we all know how that season went down, don't we? Not baggin on Stewart, but not gonna sugar coat it either and pretend he even had a chance against RC. I did call you feeble minded, as you were the one to start taking this personally by calling me a 'maron', and accusing me of having a 'blind dislike' for Stewart. While we're here bench racin on the subject of Stewart v Carmichael, why don't you enlighten all of us Stewart haters as to what 'went down' in 2005... we all know the ending of your story, but why don't you humor us a little with your intimate knowledge of the details? And before you call me a Kings hater, they're my favorite team, had season tickets unfortunately, I was hoping you'd catch the similarities between Carmicheal 4 Stewart 0, and the Lakers 3 Kings 0 playoff 'rivalry', you being from Sac and all, but I guess you do tend to miss details like that... flame on moto buddy
Mag I think your word choice "ruined" was ridiculous. They had great battles, they both won races and RC was better at winning Championships than the much younger, less experienced Stewart. If RC ruined Stewart what did the two of them do to Reed, Windham, Ferry and the rest of the field? It is like saying Stewart ruined Reed in their Championship battles. Its kinda dumb and not true. JMO
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gsxrcr28 10/23/2011 7:31am
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`ol Ger wrote:
Idoits. When the stewart book comes out, we will gain access into just how much RC intimidated Stewart. A lot.
Intimidated? Really? Again they both won races and put on a great show for all of us. If Stewart was intimidated I don't think they would have had so many great battles, Stewart would not have pushed RC so hard and would have been beaten before the gate dropped. I will admit at 19 years old on a 2 stroke he probably should have been intimidated of the GOAT.
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`ol Ger 10/23/2011 7:56am
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Stewart commented to Holley once, that there was nothing as nerve wracking as that yellow #4 coming up behind you.
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hondaburner11 10/23/2011 8:54am
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`ol Ger wrote:
Stewart commented to Holley once, that there was nothing as nerve wracking as that yellow #4 coming up behind you.
On that topic i bet its true on a fan day ride when you hear him coming its so intense its mind blowing ho.w scary it can be when they blow by you.

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FreshTopEnd 10/23/2011 8:55am
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`ol Ger wrote:
Idoits. When the stewart book comes out, we will gain access into just how much RC intimidated Stewart. A lot.
Idiot, who wouldn't be? Carmichael made Hannah look like the tooth fairy when it came to intimidation. Which makes what Stewart accomplished against him even more respectable, don't you think? Does it look like the intimidation held him back?

Why the heck can't people just celebrate how good this was and how great it was to have Stewart step up and take shots when everyone other than Reed had pretty much caved to that intimidation? The 2006-2007 races were some of the best one on one races in the history of the sport. Only an idiot would think they make RC bigger by putting down Stewart's performances against him.





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`ol Ger 10/23/2011 5:31pm
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Amen.

Forsooth.

And salutations,


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zombieland 10/23/2011 6:33pm
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Predator wrote:
Stewy > RC on 125's
RC > Stewy on 250/450's
X2 , RC always looked at the big picture 10 outdoor titles prove that .
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Oh fuck off! Sorry, being 5/ 6 watching rc in 99 was the best thing ever! And still is! The tapes from 99 are still a weekly watch to be honest. Even as we speak terrafirma 5 is on! Rc would have pushed it that much more. Bubba wouldnt have been able to withstand the pressure. As we've witnessed on every, (well majority, in fairness) ocassion the two have raced.

Bubba was fast, but so was vohland. RC isnt the goat for no reason. The guy is just simply the best. End of story.

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