Can James beat what we saw from RV?

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2k1banshee350 wrote:
he was never a factor? yes rc did have a blown shock DNF in st louis 06, but who was there to capatalize? reed (yes stewart...
he was never a factor? yes rc did have a blown shock DNF in st louis 06, but who was there to capatalize? reed (yes stewart crashed too). hes not the fastest, but hes rock steady. he went into vegas tied with rc. he had a faster best lap that night too
I never said that he wasn't a factor, I said that he wasn't really the guy that RC was concerned with.


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They both will get wins and be close in speed. As for the Championship, these guys do thousands of laps testing, practicing and racing, and they both had crashes last year. All it would take is a small injury to change the whole season for either of them, so who knows? I just hope all the riders stay injury free and we have another great season.
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no. everyone besides villopoto and dungey, yes.

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FastEddy 10/16/2011 8:49pm
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broman64 wrote:
CR, never was a threat for a title... Whatever one wants to believe... Reality tells me, CR was third best...
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"CR, never was a threat for a title..."

Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James.

Reality tells me by observing the points in past years he was threat more then once. Smile
2008,2004 he did what he had to do win...no James or RC obviously.
However,I guess you just missed the 2011 season...RV only won by 4 points over Chad,just as James did in 2009.
They went into Vegas 6 points apart.Guess you missed that season also.
Don't get me wrong I like James,but I feel Reed has kept him honest a time or 2.
And to do that to either RC or James...you gotta be gnarly dude. Smile
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JB 19 10/16/2011 8:56pm
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We'll have to see if james gets to ride a bike that doesn't have a pogo stick attached to the rear wheel. I didn't realize until watching the season recap show how randomly his rear end was kicking up.
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FastEddy 10/16/2011 8:58pm
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AUS_Twisted wrote:
Dallas 2003

https://youtu.be/zV5f7mY36sc

https://youtu.be/MN4jh0wY2a8


Anyone remember the 2 stroke days of Reed and RC at Daytona, yeah no competition for RC there.
I remember 05 Daytona very well.
Reed & RC 1 & 2...RC tried to pressure Reed....more then once in that race.
RC made some mistakes and never did get by him. Wink
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broman64 wrote:
CR, never was a threat for a title... Whatever one wants to believe... Reality tells me, CR was third best...
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FastEddy wrote:
"CR, never was a threat for a title..." Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James. Reality tells me...
"CR, never was a threat for a title..."

Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James.

Reality tells me by observing the points in past years he was threat more then once. Smile
2008,2004 he did what he had to do win...no James or RC obviously.
However,I guess you just missed the 2011 season...RV only won by 4 points over Chad,just as James did in 2009.
They went into Vegas 6 points apart.Guess you missed that season also.
Don't get me wrong I like James,but I feel Reed has kept him honest a time or 2.
And to do that to either RC or James...you gotta be gnarly dude. Smile
Sure, he's a great rider, but when have you ever gotten the feeling that he was going to take control of the series when either James or RC was racing the series? Both RC and James always seemed to have his number.


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FastEddy wrote:
"CR, never was a threat for a title..." Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James. Reality tells me...
"CR, never was a threat for a title..."

Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James.

Reality tells me by observing the points in past years he was threat more then once. Smile
2008,2004 he did what he had to do win...no James or RC obviously.
However,I guess you just missed the 2011 season...RV only won by 4 points over Chad,just as James did in 2009.
They went into Vegas 6 points apart.Guess you missed that season also.
Don't get me wrong I like James,but I feel Reed has kept him honest a time or 2.
And to do that to either RC or James...you gotta be gnarly dude. Smile
Of the times James and Chad both went for a championship in SX.... Reed won 4 and Stewart won 3. Reed won against James in 05, 08, 10, and 11. James won against Chad in 06, 07, and 09. You could take away 08 because that was a pre existing injury James had to pull out from. But those statistics prove that over the course of an entire SX championship, they are split about 50/50.
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TDeath21 10/16/2011 9:10pm
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AUS_Twisted wrote:
Dallas 2003

https://youtu.be/zV5f7mY36sc

https://youtu.be/MN4jh0wY2a8


Anyone remember the 2 stroke days of Reed and RC at Daytona, yeah no competition for RC there.
https://youtu.be/TEX_EWWjP5Y

In my opinion, the 4 stroke revolution killed Chad. Carmichael and Stewart adapted much better and quicker than Chad. If they all stayed on 2 strokes, who knows what would have happened.
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kongols 10/16/2011 9:10pm
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RV is the new God. I wonder who is he gonna thank then....
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FastEddy 10/16/2011 9:11pm
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P wrote:
Sure, he's a great rider, but when have you ever gotten the feeling that he was going to take control of the series when either James...
Sure, he's a great rider, but when have you ever gotten the feeling that he was going to take control of the series when either James or RC was racing the series? Both RC and James always seemed to have his number.


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When they were going into the final round in 2006,2009,it's SX anything can happen.
To think other wise one would be foolish.
Speed & consistency is the key to a championship...not one or the other,you need both.
Some times consistency is out of the riders control, other times not so much...but it is a mechanical sport and anything can happen.

Don't get me wrong I like James and i would love for him to come back in 2012 and school everyone.

But when you go into the last round of a series with someone just a few points behind you more then once (or in reach)....
they are a threat to the title. Wink

To think any different as I said before, one would be foolish.
And I bet James would agree. Wink
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For the record whomever stated that Rees was only a threat in his fans minds. Ricky was the one that states how hard it is to battle Chad, and he is the toughest competitor out there in a championship chase. "just stating facts"
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FastEddy wrote:
"CR, never was a threat for a title..." Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James. Reality tells me...
"CR, never was a threat for a title..."

Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James.

Reality tells me by observing the points in past years he was threat more then once. Smile
2008,2004 he did what he had to do win...no James or RC obviously.
However,I guess you just missed the 2011 season...RV only won by 4 points over Chad,just as James did in 2009.
They went into Vegas 6 points apart.Guess you missed that season also.
Don't get me wrong I like James,but I feel Reed has kept him honest a time or 2.
And to do that to either RC or James...you gotta be gnarly dude. Smile
TDeath21 wrote:
Of the times James and Chad both went for a championship in SX.... Reed won 4 and Stewart won 3. Reed won against James in 05...
Of the times James and Chad both went for a championship in SX.... Reed won 4 and Stewart won 3. Reed won against James in 05, 08, 10, and 11. James won against Chad in 06, 07, and 09. You could take away 08 because that was a pre existing injury James had to pull out from. But those statistics prove that over the course of an entire SX championship, they are split about 50/50.
Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy could finish on the box, he was looking at the guy that might be able to beat him on a regular basis.


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Zycki11 wrote:
For the record whomever stated that Rees was only a threat in his fans minds. Ricky was the one that states how hard it is to...
For the record whomever stated that Rees was only a threat in his fans minds. Ricky was the one that states how hard it is to battle Chad, and he is the toughest competitor out there in a championship chase. "just stating facts"
Source.


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kongols 10/16/2011 9:19pm
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Who did RV beat last weekend? Does beating Dungey who`s on a brand new bike and came there for testing and Alessi and Martin Davalos or Nick Wey really shows where everybody stack up? C`mon people.
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jeffro503 10/16/2011 9:19pm
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mx757 wrote:
If james stays off the ground he will make cryin Ryan look like a fool. the variable is stewart staying upright.
broman64 wrote:
this... shear speed and aggression?, I think JS has it covered... We will see, we will see...
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P wrote:
Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy...
Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy could finish on the box, he was looking at the guy that might be able to beat him on a regular basis.


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Well let's see... Reed had more wins in 05 and 08*. Stewart had more in 06, 07, 09, 10, 11. Consistency wins championships, not race wins. Notice the asterisk because Stewart had to pull out with a pre existing injury. My point is that they have COMPLETELY different ways of getting the job done, and both have the exact same amount of big bike championships. They both should be considered two of the best the sport has seen in my opinion.
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FastEddy wrote:
"CR, never was a threat for a title..." Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James. Reality tells me...
"CR, never was a threat for a title..."

Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James.

Reality tells me by observing the points in past years he was threat more then once. Smile
2008,2004 he did what he had to do win...no James or RC obviously.
However,I guess you just missed the 2011 season...RV only won by 4 points over Chad,just as James did in 2009.
They went into Vegas 6 points apart.Guess you missed that season also.
Don't get me wrong I like James,but I feel Reed has kept him honest a time or 2.
And to do that to either RC or James...you gotta be gnarly dude. Smile
TDeath21 wrote:
Of the times James and Chad both went for a championship in SX.... Reed won 4 and Stewart won 3. Reed won against James in 05...
Of the times James and Chad both went for a championship in SX.... Reed won 4 and Stewart won 3. Reed won against James in 05, 08, 10, and 11. James won against Chad in 06, 07, and 09. You could take away 08 because that was a pre existing injury James had to pull out from. But those statistics prove that over the course of an entire SX championship, they are split about 50/50.
P wrote:
Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy...
Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy could finish on the box, he was looking at the guy that might be able to beat him on a regular basis.


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To give you some facts, Reed had more wins in 2003 then RC.
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jeffro503 10/16/2011 9:24pm
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DiIullo wrote:
on any single night, sure...... over a season.... nope
miikex2 wrote:
x2
Outsider wrote:
X4
X this by? I'm not sure what number we are on.

Anyways.......hell yes Stewart can win on any given night. His problem is consistency......always has , always will be. He's only got a few more years left ( what?....1 - 3 years?) and then the fat lady will be singing. I think this will be his 9th year correct? They say the 10th year is about when people hang it up....for the most part. But then again , there are guys like KW and Dowd......

Back to Stewart........yes , he has the speed to win , but he will be pushing to limits where he'll be uncomfortable trying to win week in and week out.
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SEEMEFIRST 10/16/2011 9:26pm
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kongols wrote:
RV is the new God. I wonder who is he gonna thank then....
He doesn't thank anyone. In his interviews he says "I can't thank________ ." He may mean "I can't thank them enough" but he doesn't say that.
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Hey P sorry how this thread took a dive to the shitter. I was having fun with our back and forth and I am bummed how fast it went bad.
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FastEddy 10/16/2011 9:31pm
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FastEddy wrote:
"CR, never was a threat for a title..." Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James. Reality tells me...
"CR, never was a threat for a title..."

Reed has 2 SX titles in the big bike class.... just as many as James.

Reality tells me by observing the points in past years he was threat more then once. Smile
2008,2004 he did what he had to do win...no James or RC obviously.
However,I guess you just missed the 2011 season...RV only won by 4 points over Chad,just as James did in 2009.
They went into Vegas 6 points apart.Guess you missed that season also.
Don't get me wrong I like James,but I feel Reed has kept him honest a time or 2.
And to do that to either RC or James...you gotta be gnarly dude. Smile
TDeath21 wrote:
Of the times James and Chad both went for a championship in SX.... Reed won 4 and Stewart won 3. Reed won against James in 05...
Of the times James and Chad both went for a championship in SX.... Reed won 4 and Stewart won 3. Reed won against James in 05, 08, 10, and 11. James won against Chad in 06, 07, and 09. You could take away 08 because that was a pre existing injury James had to pull out from. But those statistics prove that over the course of an entire SX championship, they are split about 50/50.
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Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy...
Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy could finish on the box, he was looking at the guy that might be able to beat him on a regular basis.


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Race wins only make you the best guy on that night of the race.
Consistency is the real key when it comes to high point/championships.
The hardest part of this sport isn't going faster then everyone else in your class...
The hardest part is staying healthy and keeping it on two wheels while going faster then everyone else or trying to.
That is how high point/championships are won.
If you ever were in contention or ever won a title/high point in the ams or the pros....what I said should make all the sense in the world to you.
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Hey P sorry how this thread took a dive to the shitter. I was having fun with our back and forth and I am bummed how...
Hey P sorry how this thread took a dive to the shitter. I was having fun with our back and forth and I am bummed how fast it went bad.
Very few threads around here "Don't go bad".
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AUS_Twisted wrote:
Dallas 2003

https://youtu.be/zV5f7mY36sc

https://youtu.be/MN4jh0wY2a8


Anyone remember the 2 stroke days of Reed and RC at Daytona, yeah no competition for RC there.
there is a difference between being what you are calling competition and actually being a threat... Sorry The Aussie Chad Reed was not a threat for a title of any sort against RC... Sorry, he just wasn't....
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P wrote:
Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy...
Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy could finish on the box, he was looking at the guy that might be able to beat him on a regular basis.


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TDeath21 wrote:
Well let's see... Reed had more wins in 05 and 08*. Stewart had more in 06, 07, 09, 10, 11. Consistency wins championships, not race wins...
Well let's see... Reed had more wins in 05 and 08*. Stewart had more in 06, 07, 09, 10, 11. Consistency wins championships, not race wins. Notice the asterisk because Stewart had to pull out with a pre existing injury. My point is that they have COMPLETELY different ways of getting the job done, and both have the exact same amount of big bike championships. They both should be considered two of the best the sport has seen in my opinion.
James was hurt in practice at round 2 of the 2005 season, his first season in the class. Consistency wins Championships........well in the big bike class so does wins. Did Chad win a title in any of the years that you referenced?

In the years that either of them won titles how much did they win in those seasons compared to the guy that finished second?

Yes, they are two of the best that the sport has ever seen.



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TDeath21 wrote:
Of the times James and Chad both went for a championship in SX.... Reed won 4 and Stewart won 3. Reed won against James in 05...
Of the times James and Chad both went for a championship in SX.... Reed won 4 and Stewart won 3. Reed won against James in 05, 08, 10, and 11. James won against Chad in 06, 07, and 09. You could take away 08 because that was a pre existing injury James had to pull out from. But those statistics prove that over the course of an entire SX championship, they are split about 50/50.
P wrote:
Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy...
Come on, be serious. Who had more race wins in the series that they have both competed in? RC could have cared less if a guy could finish on the box, he was looking at the guy that might be able to beat him on a regular basis.


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AUS_Twisted wrote:
To give you some facts, Reed had more wins in 2003 then RC.
Simply because he was the only guy out there that year and RC pretty much had the title wrapped up if he finished second the rest of the way. Just the facts.


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Hey P sorry how this thread took a dive to the shitter. I was having fun with our back and forth and I am bummed how...
Hey P sorry how this thread took a dive to the shitter. I was having fun with our back and forth and I am bummed how fast it went bad.
Hey, it's the internet. I've been around for a minute so I know how it goes. No problem dude.


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broman64 10/16/2011 9:43pm
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FastEddy wrote:
Race wins only make you the best guy on that night of the race. Consistency is the real key when it comes to high point/championships. The...
Race wins only make you the best guy on that night of the race.
Consistency is the real key when it comes to high point/championships.
The hardest part of this sport isn't going faster then everyone else in your class...
The hardest part is staying healthy and keeping it on two wheels while going faster then everyone else or trying to.
That is how high point/championships are won.
If you ever were in contention or ever won a title/high point in the ams or the pros....what I said should make all the sense in the world to you.
have you won some titles, or something along those lines... I might know alittle bit about winning titles... You wouldn't believe me anyway... But, you are wrong, when you have the trophies they speak for themself... When you don't... well, all you have is woulda, coulda and shoulda... Nice thought though...
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