Christophe Pourcel: "The Individual"

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10/12/2011 6:51pm
broman64 wrote:
ah, but it is because of dumb asses like you... I rest my case, your hopeless, and worthless.
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Is this yes or is this no... Did you or didn't you talk with him ...Dry
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10/12/2011 6:54pm
you think that your statements mean nothing, but they do... you are europes rep. on here... you behave reckless, at best... You are a poor example for the kind of people over there... Are they all like you?... My impression is that they are... Therefore, using my right to choose whether or not to subject myself to any further, worthless and juvinile reactions, I will just go to bed and sleep, since you really don't matter...
What a Chump,
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10/12/2011 6:59pm
in a few years, all these guys will be lucky to make $100,000 a year...

pourcel should of took what he could get.

dont like it?

go to college, major in finanace or math and work in the financial services industry or start a business.....MX is a dying sport unless the economy turns around
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10/12/2011 7:00pm
Bro, seriously??
yeah, really...

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10/12/2011 7:04pm
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AC is a super humble champion, CP should take notes... Even M. Pichon changed his ways, got his head straight, and started to win... The talent...
AC is a super humble champion, CP should take notes... Even M. Pichon changed his ways, got his head straight, and started to win... The talent was always there, but, the head has to follow... It is called "accountability"...
BMan-
"accoutability"?

What the fuck is that? I'm guessing it's the same thing your English teacher had when grading your papers.

Douche
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10/12/2011 7:09pm
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AC is a super humble champion, CP should take notes... Even M. Pichon changed his ways, got his head straight, and started to win... The talent...
AC is a super humble champion, CP should take notes... Even M. Pichon changed his ways, got his head straight, and started to win... The talent was always there, but, the head has to follow... It is called "accountability"...
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peelout wrote:
"accoutability"?

What the fuck is that? I'm guessing it's the same thing your English teacher had when grading your papers.

Douche
She contracted accoutability from the balance beam in the gymnasium. True story.
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10/12/2011 7:11pm
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AC is a super humble champion, CP should take notes... Even M. Pichon changed his ways, got his head straight, and started to win... The talent...
AC is a super humble champion, CP should take notes... Even M. Pichon changed his ways, got his head straight, and started to win... The talent was always there, but, the head has to follow... It is called "accountability"...
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I fixed it...
Thanks, shitbird
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10/12/2011 7:15pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2011 7:17pm
broman64 wrote:
you think that your statements mean nothing, but they do... you are europes rep. on here... you behave reckless, at best... You are a poor example...
you think that your statements mean nothing, but they do... you are europes rep. on here... you behave reckless, at best... You are a poor example for the kind of people over there... Are they all like you?... My impression is that they are... Therefore, using my right to choose whether or not to subject myself to any further, worthless and juvinile reactions, I will just go to bed and sleep, since you really don't matter...
What a Chump,
BMan-
Lesson 1: The Europe Republic??

There isn't any Europe Republic... Europe is not a country it is a continent.
Europe includes countries and together it is one continent. Some of those countries are working together in the European Union and stuff like that but till the day of today there isn't any European/Europe Republic...

Lesson 2: Europeans are all the same...

I'm living on the European continent in a country from 11 million. The population in Europe is 735 million.
So I'm a very small population in Europe and I don't think there are many people like me. In Europe we have allot of countries so we also have allot of different cultures, languages, mentalities, ...

BMan if you wouldn't be that narrow minded and came over to Europe you would notice these things.

Lesson 3: Europeans are reckless...

Nope we aren't more reckless then Americans. I mean, and no offense, but didn't your government wait till the last minute to do something against the possible bankruptcy of the United States of America ...

Goodnight BMan.
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[b]Lesson 1: The Europe Republic??[/b] There isn't any Europe Republic... Europe is not a country it is a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent]continent[/url]. Europe includes countries and together it is...
Lesson 1: The Europe Republic??

There isn't any Europe Republic... Europe is not a country it is a continent.
Europe includes countries and together it is one continent. Some of those countries are working together in the European Union and stuff like that but till the day of today there isn't any European/Europe Republic...

Lesson 2: Europeans are all the same...

I'm living on the European continent in a country from 11 million. The population in Europe is 735 million.
So I'm a very small population in Europe and I don't think there are many people like me. In Europe we have allot of countries so we also have allot of different cultures, languages, mentalities, ...

BMan if you wouldn't be that narrow minded and came over to Europe you would notice these things.

Lesson 3: Europeans are reckless...

Nope we aren't more reckless then Americans. I mean, and no offense, but didn't your government wait till the last minute to do something against the possible bankruptcy of the United States of America ...

Goodnight BMan.
I wasn't comparing anything to anything. I was using your foul behavior as an example, IE. your fruit, to judge whether or not , all people from where you are from are like you... My impression is that they are... Therefore, I think that you are worthless and anyone that agrees to let you breath is worthless, too
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10/12/2011 7:26pm
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I wasn't comparing anything to anything. I was using your foul behavior as an example, IE. your fruit, to judge whether or not , all people...
I wasn't comparing anything to anything. I was using your foul behavior as an example, IE. your fruit, to judge whether or not , all people from where you are from are like you... My impression is that they are... Therefore, I think that you are worthless and anyone that agrees to let you breath is worthless, too
BMan-
Now you are hurting my feelings...

Not that your idiotic, 10 year old shit does something to me but I think that the Admin need to draw a line at this point ...
Saying that a guy doesn't deserve to live... Real classy. Sick

"I think that you are worthless and anyone that agrees to let you breath is worthless"
Real classy... Like all your posts by the way Dry
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10/13/2011 1:19am
broman64 wrote:
I wasn't comparing anything to anything. I was using your foul behavior as an example, IE. your fruit, to judge whether or not , all people...
I wasn't comparing anything to anything. I was using your foul behavior as an example, IE. your fruit, to judge whether or not , all people from where you are from are like you... My impression is that they are... Therefore, I think that you are worthless and anyone that agrees to let you breath is worthless, too
BMan-
Are you André Broman's ? Good job in 1982!!!
10/13/2011 1:58am
MXMattii wrote:
[b]Lesson 1: The Europe Republic??[/b] There isn't any Europe Republic... Europe is not a country it is a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent]continent[/url]. Europe includes countries and together it is...
Lesson 1: The Europe Republic??

There isn't any Europe Republic... Europe is not a country it is a continent.
Europe includes countries and together it is one continent. Some of those countries are working together in the European Union and stuff like that but till the day of today there isn't any European/Europe Republic...

Lesson 2: Europeans are all the same...

I'm living on the European continent in a country from 11 million. The population in Europe is 735 million.
So I'm a very small population in Europe and I don't think there are many people like me. In Europe we have allot of countries so we also have allot of different cultures, languages, mentalities, ...

BMan if you wouldn't be that narrow minded and came over to Europe you would notice these things.

Lesson 3: Europeans are reckless...

Nope we aren't more reckless then Americans. I mean, and no offense, but didn't your government wait till the last minute to do something against the possible bankruptcy of the United States of America ...

Goodnight BMan.
broman64 wrote:
I wasn't comparing anything to anything. I was using your foul behavior as an example, IE. your fruit, to judge whether or not , all people...
I wasn't comparing anything to anything. I was using your foul behavior as an example, IE. your fruit, to judge whether or not , all people from where you are from are like you... My impression is that they are... Therefore, I think that you are worthless and anyone that agrees to let you breath is worthless, too
BMan-
Always resorting to personal attacks like this show just how bitter you are,you have always been a huge Pourcel hater and always rear your head whenever a CP thread comes up .You claim people told you this and that and we read what Pourcel himself has to say here,throw in the rumours with nothing to back them up,accusations etc,people getting fired,and on and on and it's probably looking like we will never get to what really went on.Your statements about Europe really do show how ignorant you are too
10/13/2011 2:35am Edited Date/Time 10/13/2011 2:37am
mxpunk wrote:
i like pourcel but if chad reed isnt getting a contract, theres no way in hell this dude is.

#be real
motokiwi wrote:
Why not? Pourcel is much faster than Chad.
IMO Pourcel is the 3rd fastest rider in the world.
Anyone disagree?
RaceFace wrote:
Anyone? Everyone!
On his day, he is the best rider in the world in my opinion. When he is on, he is unbeatable. He was looking more like his old self towards the end of the gp season- now he is on a bike he likes, and comfortable with the set up he will be very hard to beat in 2012. I like the fact that he speaks his mind, and is an individual- something which is increasingly rare in this day and age.

Christophe is the smoothest, most naturally talented rider out there at the moment- its a pleasure to watch him ride, poetry in motion on the bike! He makes it look so effortless. Hopefully he will have an injury free season in 2012, win the world championship and then head back to america for the 2013 450 supercross and outdoor championships.
I am glad he is doing gp's next year as it will give me the chance to see him ride in person again, but I'm sure he will head back to America at some point, he has unfinished business over there- and I'm sure he would like to prove a point to some of the doubters. You would be a fool to count him out of championship contention either side of the pond when he's comfortable and 100% fit.

Another great article from Adam Wheeler, and good interview from pourcel. I dont think he cares whether the american public like him or not- Mitch is a big fan, so as long as he has a team (and is running a 450 rider) then there will always be a place for him there!

What Christophe did after losing the title to Canard was great sportsmanship- the championship battle that year was great to watch, and neither rider deserved to lose it! Same with the championship the year before.
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10/13/2011 2:52am Edited Date/Time 10/13/2011 3:13am
mxpunk wrote:
in a few years, all these guys will be lucky to make $100,000 a year... pourcel should of took what he could get. dont like it...
in a few years, all these guys will be lucky to make $100,000 a year...

pourcel should of took what he could get.

dont like it?

go to college, major in finanace or math and work in the financial services industry or start a business.....MX is a dying sport unless the economy turns around
Ignoring the argument above rangots post ^^^^^^^^ this is the way I kind of see it;

Having raced Kawsaki's his entire career, won a 250 world championship for them, x2 regional Supercross Lites championships and narrowly missed out on x2 Outdoor championships with Pro Circuit, CP was hoping factory Kawasaki would make him an offer for the 2011 season. His two closest competitors that he'd traded race wins with over the past two seasons both landed factory rides with Suzuki and Honda, and he felt his results, and loyalty, warranted a similar kind of deal.

However, after briefing his agent he took time off and enjoyed the off season expecting the call that never came - partly because Mike Fisher didn't personally want Pourcel on the team and maybe because his agent was bartering for an unrealistic contract. Whether his agent had valued Pourcel at a certain amount, or whether Pourcel had specifically asked for a certain amount, no one actually seems to know. But one thing Pourcel insists is that Mike Fisher wasn't even interested in sitting down for talks with him from the start. Instead he told everyone Pourcel was asking for too much money, even though, according to Christophe money hadn't been discussed. It would seem other things were also said because Pourcel certainly doesn't like the guy, in his words; "He wasn't nice to me."

So time passes, Pourcel being Pourcel is his usual casual, laid back self and continues enjoying himself snowboarding or wherever it was he went, expecting his agent to sort something out. December comes around still nothing has been worked out. Speculation is rife about unnecessary contract demands so Pourcel feels inclined to publish the following statement, which hints at the issue concerning Mike Fisher;

'“I’ve read and heard many of the things that have been said about me and my pursuit of a ride for 2011 and nothing I’ve seen has accurately portrayed the situation. I prefer to conduct my business dealings in private but feel this situation needs to be addressed publicly to combat the misinformation that is out there. The only thing that I have asked for or have sought, has been something that would provide me with a program that is comparable to the way that that my competitive set of riders are being compensated and supported. I am not “holding out” for a specific amount of compensation as has been stated by a certain corporate spokesperson, but I have sought and continue to work toward a deal that allows me to have the resources I need to be competitive and to plan for my future after racing. I understand that times are hard for everyone and economic realities apply to me too, but I have to have access to the same type of resources that my competition have in order to be competitive with them. I’ve invested the results of my success so far in the United States back into the United States and hope to be able to continue to race there and enjoy the way of life there, in what I consider my second home country.'

That last line that I underlined was, I think, the key to his contract problems, not how much money he was asking for. It would suggest he wanted access to the very best parts, training facilities, testing and mechanical support, and should he join Kawasaki, equal status with Villopoto under the awning. I would expect other top riders and potential championship contenders demand the same to do their job, so why not Pourcel?

I expect CP spent the next few months feeling either a bit dejected or simply fed up with the whole thing while his agent continued to struggle securing any kind of deal for him (yes maybe Pourcel should have been in the US banging on doors himself). The Supercross season ends, Pourcel fires his agent and he belatedly starts testing with various teams for the outdoor season before agreeing to sign for MotoConcepts in a somewhat rushed and unorthadox fashion. Maybe he had given up all hope of a securing a ride before then but was talked back into it by his father at the last moment? That might also explain any possible fitness issues he (supposedly) had. Anyway, the MotoConcept Yamaha (which he didn't test) turns out to be quite different to the Valli Yamaha he had based his decision on (which is his own fault) and they struggle to find a setting Pourcel feels comfortable on - which, if you read his interviews it seems he is acutely precise about. They all find themselves frustrated and after spending the previous month in California Pourcel returns to his home in Florida as planned to prepare for the upcoming race on the East coast in Pennsylvania. The practice bike he was awaiting was held back because the team wanted him to stay in California, which he felt was a pointless exercise, possibly because he realised the bikes shortcomings which other riders have also voiced concerns about... and the rest is history.

Other than the statement he released in December and a brief interview the week before Mount Morris, Pourcel did not speak publicly about any of these things, yet via unsubstantiated reports and hearsay the public has been allowed to paint a very unfavourable picture of a guy who's only real crime is to stay out of the limelight and ask for top notch equipment in order to give him the best shot at winning. I would suggest the way he handled the MotoConcepts debacle at the end was as much to do with personal annoyance and realisation that he'd made a bad choice as it was a fall out with DV or anything else. Either way he didn't handle the situation very well and his inclination to keep his side of the story quiet did him no favours either in that respect. Personally I wonder whether he had things to say, but chose against slinging any mud and simply move on.

He knows what he requires to win, but he's also experienced catastrophic injuries which gives him a very pragmatic perspective of life and racing.
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10/13/2011 3:22am
Jamma, I don't know how much of that is exactly how it went down, but that is an excellent take and a very interesting post. CP was always quiet in how he went about things and that might have worked against him here. Like I said, I really hope he comes back one day and gets a real shot to show what he can do on a big bike. The races were better when he was around because you never knew what he might do out there, and he was fun to watch....

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10/13/2011 3:27am Edited Date/Time 10/13/2011 3:28am
DC wrote:
Jamma, I don't know how much of that is exactly how it went down, but that is an excellent take and a very interesting post. CP...
Jamma, I don't know how much of that is exactly how it went down, but that is an excellent take and a very interesting post. CP was always quiet in how he went about things and that might have worked against him here. Like I said, I really hope he comes back one day and gets a real shot to show what he can do on a big bike. The races were better when he was around because you never knew what he might do out there, and he was fun to watch....

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Danish kid signs new contract Shocked

http://www.jeffreyherlings.eu/news.html
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10/13/2011 3:31am
Hey Steed, I was thinking if Herlings comes to the states next year, would he be the first Dane since DeCoster to do it?
10/13/2011 3:32am
There are always two sides to every story...

Everything that we discuss on here is pure speculation of course!!

Personally I would love to see CP back in the U.S racing the best. Whether he has the desire to do this and if things come together for him team wise we shall see. If CR22 had the budget, I would love to see CP go there in a couple of years...
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10/13/2011 3:43am
rangot wrote:
Are you André Broman's ? Good job in 1982!!!
This.
10/13/2011 3:56am
machine wrote:
Hey Steed, I was thinking if Herlings comes to the states next year, would he be the first Dane since DeCoster to do it?
Maybe he'll go back someday,he settled back into the GPs when he finally got the equipment he was after,the GPs are looking very exiting next season with him included,yes CP is an excellent addition wherever he rides,I think he's as fast as anyone anywhere when he's on it
10/13/2011 4:20am
machine wrote:
Hey Steed, I was thinking if Herlings comes to the states next year, would he be the first Dane since DeCoster to do it?
Perhaps he is the new Wolsink that Danish Guy who has won a few times at Carlsbad
10/13/2011 4:23am
BMan commenting on a CP thread again, damn i thought he didn't care for CP...
10/13/2011 4:26am
mxpunk wrote:
in a few years, all these guys will be lucky to make $100,000 a year... pourcel should of took what he could get. dont like it...
in a few years, all these guys will be lucky to make $100,000 a year...

pourcel should of took what he could get.

dont like it?

go to college, major in finanace or math and work in the financial services industry or start a business.....MX is a dying sport unless the economy turns around
jamma10 wrote:
Ignoring the argument above rangots post ^^^^^^^^ this is the way I kind of see it; Having raced Kawsaki's his entire career, won a 250 world...
Ignoring the argument above rangots post ^^^^^^^^ this is the way I kind of see it;

Having raced Kawsaki's his entire career, won a 250 world championship for them, x2 regional Supercross Lites championships and narrowly missed out on x2 Outdoor championships with Pro Circuit, CP was hoping factory Kawasaki would make him an offer for the 2011 season. His two closest competitors that he'd traded race wins with over the past two seasons both landed factory rides with Suzuki and Honda, and he felt his results, and loyalty, warranted a similar kind of deal.

However, after briefing his agent he took time off and enjoyed the off season expecting the call that never came - partly because Mike Fisher didn't personally want Pourcel on the team and maybe because his agent was bartering for an unrealistic contract. Whether his agent had valued Pourcel at a certain amount, or whether Pourcel had specifically asked for a certain amount, no one actually seems to know. But one thing Pourcel insists is that Mike Fisher wasn't even interested in sitting down for talks with him from the start. Instead he told everyone Pourcel was asking for too much money, even though, according to Christophe money hadn't been discussed. It would seem other things were also said because Pourcel certainly doesn't like the guy, in his words; "He wasn't nice to me."

So time passes, Pourcel being Pourcel is his usual casual, laid back self and continues enjoying himself snowboarding or wherever it was he went, expecting his agent to sort something out. December comes around still nothing has been worked out. Speculation is rife about unnecessary contract demands so Pourcel feels inclined to publish the following statement, which hints at the issue concerning Mike Fisher;

'“I’ve read and heard many of the things that have been said about me and my pursuit of a ride for 2011 and nothing I’ve seen has accurately portrayed the situation. I prefer to conduct my business dealings in private but feel this situation needs to be addressed publicly to combat the misinformation that is out there. The only thing that I have asked for or have sought, has been something that would provide me with a program that is comparable to the way that that my competitive set of riders are being compensated and supported. I am not “holding out” for a specific amount of compensation as has been stated by a certain corporate spokesperson, but I have sought and continue to work toward a deal that allows me to have the resources I need to be competitive and to plan for my future after racing. I understand that times are hard for everyone and economic realities apply to me too, but I have to have access to the same type of resources that my competition have in order to be competitive with them. I’ve invested the results of my success so far in the United States back into the United States and hope to be able to continue to race there and enjoy the way of life there, in what I consider my second home country.'

That last line that I underlined was, I think, the key to his contract problems, not how much money he was asking for. It would suggest he wanted access to the very best parts, training facilities, testing and mechanical support, and should he join Kawasaki, equal status with Villopoto under the awning. I would expect other top riders and potential championship contenders demand the same to do their job, so why not Pourcel?

I expect CP spent the next few months feeling either a bit dejected or simply fed up with the whole thing while his agent continued to struggle securing any kind of deal for him (yes maybe Pourcel should have been in the US banging on doors himself). The Supercross season ends, Pourcel fires his agent and he belatedly starts testing with various teams for the outdoor season before agreeing to sign for MotoConcepts in a somewhat rushed and unorthadox fashion. Maybe he had given up all hope of a securing a ride before then but was talked back into it by his father at the last moment? That might also explain any possible fitness issues he (supposedly) had. Anyway, the MotoConcept Yamaha (which he didn't test) turns out to be quite different to the Valli Yamaha he had based his decision on (which is his own fault) and they struggle to find a setting Pourcel feels comfortable on - which, if you read his interviews it seems he is acutely precise about. They all find themselves frustrated and after spending the previous month in California Pourcel returns to his home in Florida as planned to prepare for the upcoming race on the East coast in Pennsylvania. The practice bike he was awaiting was held back because the team wanted him to stay in California, which he felt was a pointless exercise, possibly because he realised the bikes shortcomings which other riders have also voiced concerns about... and the rest is history.

Other than the statement he released in December and a brief interview the week before Mount Morris, Pourcel did not speak publicly about any of these things, yet via unsubstantiated reports and hearsay the public has been allowed to paint a very unfavourable picture of a guy who's only real crime is to stay out of the limelight and ask for top notch equipment in order to give him the best shot at winning. I would suggest the way he handled the MotoConcepts debacle at the end was as much to do with personal annoyance and realisation that he'd made a bad choice as it was a fall out with DV or anything else. Either way he didn't handle the situation very well and his inclination to keep his side of the story quiet did him no favours either in that respect. Personally I wonder whether he had things to say, but chose against slinging any mud and simply move on.

He knows what he requires to win, but he's also experienced catastrophic injuries which gives him a very pragmatic perspective of life and racing.
Great post, i think that's pretty much the way i see it. Pourcel has won supercross championships and contended for outdoor championships in the states (aswel as winning a world championship) so its not unreasonable for him to expect the best equipment (like you said- his 3 closest rivals when in the 250f class- canard, dungey and RV had all secured factory rides- christophe is one of the only riders in the world capable of running with that elite group of riders indoors and outdoors)

If Mitch has a full 450 program I would expect him to re-sign pourcel for 2013. They seem to have a good relationship- i think mitch knows just how much of a special talent christophe is!

At the moment, I see it as America's loss, and our gain!! I cant wait to see him ride at the gps i attend next year- like he says in his interview- there are 10 guys that can win at gp's, which will make for some excellent racing next year! I think the title race will be between pourcel, cairoli, frossard and desalle- but you can never count out bobby, nagl, philleparts, barragan, de dyker, goncalves, seb pourcel and boog from challenging for race wins!!! MX1 is going to be absolutely epic next season, hopefully christophe will be back to his best, and i would like to see him have another go in the ama again after next year!
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10/13/2011 4:26am
machine wrote:
Hey Steed, I was thinking if Herlings comes to the states next year, would he be the first Dane since DeCoster to do it?
steedmills wrote:
Perhaps he is the new Wolsink that Danish Guy who has won a few times at Carlsbad
Damn, I'm an idiot, yes Danish, not Belgaineze..........Pinch
10/13/2011 4:27am
machine wrote:
Hey Steed, I was thinking if Herlings comes to the states next year, would he be the first Dane since DeCoster to do it?
herlings is dutch, not danish!!! and de coster is belgian!!!
10/13/2011 4:30am
DC wrote:
Jamma, I don't know how much of that is exactly how it went down, but that is an excellent take and a very interesting post. CP...
Jamma, I don't know how much of that is exactly how it went down, but that is an excellent take and a very interesting post. CP was always quiet in how he went about things and that might have worked against him here. Like I said, I really hope he comes back one day and gets a real shot to show what he can do on a big bike. The races were better when he was around because you never knew what he might do out there, and he was fun to watch....

DC
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Unadilla on the 250f was his best performance outdoors in the US in my opinion. The gap he pulled on dungey was insane!!! And it looked so effortless, I've watched that race a few times now, pourcels style and line choice is so unique- i love to watch that kid race!
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Hey Steed, I was thinking if Herlings comes to the states next year, would he be the first Dane since DeCoster to do it?
herlings is dutch, not danish!!! and de coster is belgian!!!
I give up........Blush
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10/13/2011 5:45am
BMan commenting on a CP thread again, damn i thought he didn't care for CP...
you guys always look through rose colored glasses... CP won SX lites c, ships not SX, there is a difference... there is no amount of reality that will open ones eyes... CP is a talent, above average... However, he will never stop whining and quiting until the proper fortitude is found... A champion is completed in the mind... That is why myself, and so many others are here, and were never there...
I don't hate on CP... I'm just speculating, like the rest of you... The way I see it is black or white... Some will some won't, move on... You can't do that with family, very effectively... But you can with everyone else... So?... you live your way, and I'll leave mine, no matter how, incompetent, I feel you are... PS, don't need the geography lesson, but thanks...
BMan-

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