bet james is wondering wtfwit when he told lb to get lost

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10/12/2011 12:51am
Nobody at the team was exactly sad when LB was told to not come back.
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That's what i was sayin'...... Chad admitted riding another bike , at a private track....nobody else around. Maybe Larry should of fined him I guess....but $750,000...
That's what i was sayin'......

Chad admitted riding another bike , at a private track....nobody else around. Maybe Larry should of fined him I guess....but $750,000 ??? Fuck that! Not paying chad even some of that ( or most of it ) is the most spineless , thieving piece of shit move I have ever heard of any team manager doing to a rider. I have heard some really shitty stories about riders , teams and so forth getting ripped off. Mostly , sponsors not paying their "due amount" at the end of the season.....but what larry did.....that took the cake!

Honestly Bob......I know you and Larry are kind of friends , but "IF" you weren't.......would you think that was a cool thing to do? What if Mike Alessi went out and test rode a Suzuki while he was on team KTM , but it was towards the end of their contract....and Roger D kept $750,000 from Mike? What would you say? I KNOW what you would say........so before you answer me on the Larry / Chad thing.....think about it a second.
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signed contract is just that...spelled out in plain english i suppose. you know if you work for coke and drink a pepsi in public you aqe...
signed contract is just that...spelled out in plain english i suppose. you know if you work for coke and drink a pepsi in public you aqe fired? not halfway but all the way?
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i don't base my friendships on who or what transpired between them and somebody else in the past...do you?
I didn't ask you to judge your friendship on what happened. I asked if you thought it was the right thing to do. So you are saying Larry was 100% in the right to rip a rider off $750,000 ? I'm wondering when Chad rode that other bike on that private track , how it hurt the team he was leaving. His contract was up , and he was looking to go some where else and Larry screwed him. There are a lot of people who like Larry for their own reasons.....bu from a business stand point , you couldn't go any lower.
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10/12/2011 1:53am
Funny how people don't see things for what they are. Even when it''s clear as day, you don't see the fire through the smoke.

It's clear that Larry Brooks is not the reason Chad Reed didn't receive the rest of his contract money, it was Mike Kranyak that stopped paying him. Brooks was the fall guy, just like with everything that James Stewart pulled over the years. People blamed Brooks for all the negative actions, because he is the person at the races and the person that received the most attention.

Look at what has happened to that team since he left. It has fallen apart and now there is more litigation between Kranyak and Stewart.

In Mike Kranyak's interview on Racerx, he said that he directed Brooks and he was the money behind the team. So there could be no way that Brooks could stop paying a rider when the money was coming from Mike Kranyak. Correct?
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10/12/2011 1:58am
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Funny how people don't see things for what they are. Even when it''s clear as day, you don't see the fire through the smoke. It's clear...
Funny how people don't see things for what they are. Even when it''s clear as day, you don't see the fire through the smoke.

It's clear that Larry Brooks is not the reason Chad Reed didn't receive the rest of his contract money, it was Mike Kranyak that stopped paying him. Brooks was the fall guy, just like with everything that James Stewart pulled over the years. People blamed Brooks for all the negative actions, because he is the person at the races and the person that received the most attention.

Look at what has happened to that team since he left. It has fallen apart and now there is more litigation between Kranyak and Stewart.

In Mike Kranyak's interview on Racerx, he said that he directed Brooks and he was the money behind the team. So there could be no way that Brooks could stop paying a rider when the money was coming from Mike Kranyak. Correct?
The court case was filed by Chad and his attorney's and it was against Brooks.......pretty sure Chad's attorney's know who to sue.

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10/12/2011 1:59am
At least it was against the L&M team anyways.............but Chad mentioned something about larry being the one who made the decision not to pay Chad.
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10/12/2011 2:07am
Right, against L&M and not an individual, but it would have been directed towards an individual if they were the one that made that decision.
Just read the interview with Mike Kranyak, he states in the interview that he directed the team so it had to be at his direction. Just going off what he said.
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We need an interview with Stewart`s mom, otherwise we are running out of scapegoats...Blush
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10/12/2011 2:54am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2011 2:55am
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We need an interview with Stewart`s mom, otherwise we are running out of scapegoats...Blush
Big James would be better...
Seeming how I have been told by just more then one person.....that he was mostly the one who convinced Kranyak that LB was the problem with the bike.But jr. also went along with it...
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10/12/2011 5:33am
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Nobody at the team was exactly sad when LB was told to not come back.
Are they happy now? No rider, no sponsor... no good.
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We need an interview with Stewart`s mom, otherwise we are running out of scapegoats...Blush
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Big James would be better... Seeming how I have been told by just [b]more then one person[/b].....that [b]he was mostly the one[/b] who convinced Kranyak that...
Big James would be better...
Seeming how I have been told by just more then one person.....that he was mostly the one who convinced Kranyak that LB was the problem with the bike.But jr. also went along with it...
Big James would be too easy, I bet it`s all mom`s fault.Angry Cool
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10/12/2011 6:37am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2011 6:37am
kongols wrote:
We need an interview with Stewart`s mom, otherwise we are running out of scapegoats...Blush
FastEddy wrote:
Big James would be better... Seeming how I have been told by just [b]more then one person[/b].....that [b]he was mostly the one[/b] who convinced Kranyak that...
Big James would be better...
Seeming how I have been told by just more then one person.....that he was mostly the one who convinced Kranyak that LB was the problem with the bike.But jr. also went along with it...
hmmmm........the plot thickens.
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10/12/2011 7:13am
I just wanted to get on the Bobby train before it leaves the station...hey I worked for Pepsi back in the day and yes you could get fired for drinking coke! I came walking in the office not knowing about the rule, heck i thought they were joking.....
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Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL

IMO, the best interview on this came recently from Stewarts Suspension Guy. He said the decision was made by Mike & James, they came out of a meeting and let LB go.
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10/12/2011 7:21am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2011 7:34am
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:P Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL IMO, the best interview on this...
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Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL

IMO, the best interview on this came recently from Stewarts Suspension Guy. He said the decision was made by Mike & James, they came out of a meeting and let LB go.
Sergs interview seemed to be pretty sugar coated from what I have heard (they tried all sorts of suspension etc..with no response to the better-End result was LB was the problem with the bike,so they say,so he was 86th).
And it was Big James that MOSTLY convinced Mike...and jr. went a long with it.
Even LB just kinda laughed the other night and said everyone is trying to make themselves look good in interviews,regarding the L&M fiasco.
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:P Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL IMO, the best interview on this...
Tongue

Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL

IMO, the best interview on this came recently from Stewarts Suspension Guy. He said the decision was made by Mike & James, they came out of a meeting and let LB go.
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Sergs interview seemed to be pretty sugar coated from what I have heard (they tried all sorts of suspension etc..with no response to the better-End result...
Sergs interview seemed to be pretty sugar coated from what I have heard (they tried all sorts of suspension etc..with no response to the better-End result was LB was the problem with the bike,so they say,so he was 86th).
And it was Big James that MOSTLY convinced Mike...and jr. went a long with it.
Even LB just kinda laughed the other night and said everyone is trying to make themselves look good in interviews,regarding the L&M fiasco.
I thought Serg took put allot of blame on himself, saying he was not able to get the bike to work how Stewart wanted. Also that he was pretty overwhelmed after LB was let go because he had to take over all of the bikes development - not just suspension.
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Faceaz wrote:
:P Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL IMO, the best interview on this...
Tongue

Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL

IMO, the best interview on this came recently from Stewarts Suspension Guy. He said the decision was made by Mike & James, they came out of a meeting and let LB go.
FastEddy wrote:
Sergs interview seemed to be pretty sugar coated from what I have heard (they tried all sorts of suspension etc..with no response to the better-End result...
Sergs interview seemed to be pretty sugar coated from what I have heard (they tried all sorts of suspension etc..with no response to the better-End result was LB was the problem with the bike,so they say,so he was 86th).
And it was Big James that MOSTLY convinced Mike...and jr. went a long with it.
Even LB just kinda laughed the other night and said everyone is trying to make themselves look good in interviews,regarding the L&M fiasco.
LB saga reminds me of Rod Blagojevich and how he went to anybody who would listen to tell them how whole world is against him. We all know the outcome.
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I just wanted to get on the Bobby train before it leaves the station...hey I worked for Pepsi back in the day and yes you could...
I just wanted to get on the Bobby train before it leaves the station...hey I worked for Pepsi back in the day and yes you could get fired for drinking coke! I came walking in the office not knowing about the rule, heck i thought they were joking.....
Hear that Jeffro? Those are the rules. You break them and you don't get paid. Do you think Pepsi pays their employees their salary for the rest of the year if they get caught knowingly breaking the rules? Aren't you a business owner? Would your guy $750,000 that you don't have to after he broke your contract?
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I just wanted to get on the Bobby train before it leaves the station...hey I worked for Pepsi back in the day and yes you could...
I just wanted to get on the Bobby train before it leaves the station...hey I worked for Pepsi back in the day and yes you could get fired for drinking coke! I came walking in the office not knowing about the rule, heck i thought they were joking.....
nytsmaC wrote:
Hear that Jeffro? Those are the rules. You break them and you don't get paid. Do you think Pepsi pays their employees their salary for the...
Hear that Jeffro? Those are the rules. You break them and you don't get paid. Do you think Pepsi pays their employees their salary for the rest of the year if they get caught knowingly breaking the rules? Aren't you a business owner? Would your guy $750,000 that you don't have to after he broke your contract?
Is it common in this pepsi/coke battle for people to test other brands when the team won't be re- signing them?
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10/12/2011 10:43am
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Nobody at the team was exactly sad when LB was told to not come back.
I suspect if you showed any loyalty to LB you were on yer ass too.
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I just wanted to get on the Bobby train before it leaves the station...hey I worked for Pepsi back in the day and yes you could...
I just wanted to get on the Bobby train before it leaves the station...hey I worked for Pepsi back in the day and yes you could get fired for drinking coke! I came walking in the office not knowing about the rule, heck i thought they were joking.....
nytsmaC wrote:
Hear that Jeffro? Those are the rules. You break them and you don't get paid. Do you think Pepsi pays their employees their salary for the...
Hear that Jeffro? Those are the rules. You break them and you don't get paid. Do you think Pepsi pays their employees their salary for the rest of the year if they get caught knowingly breaking the rules? Aren't you a business owner? Would your guy $750,000 that you don't have to after he broke your contract?
I know what Chad did was wrong and against the rules. But it was a really petty thing to do. It seemed Chad wanted to get some kind of testing done and get a head start. His season with L&M was already over and had no reason to ride the L&M bike any more. The $750,000 Mike / Larry / Team L&M kept was just to "Spite" Chad.

I can''t believe some of you guys are siding with a team / owner / manager that willingly stole $750,000 from a rider. Yeah , a rule was broke. But Jesus Christ.......was it worth fining him $750,000?

It's like filing for divorce , and you get caught cheating with another woman.( But the papers were already filed ) Is it really cheating when you know you aren't getting back together with the woman you are divorcing? The paper work just hasn't gone through yet? You aren't allowed to move forward with your life until a certain date?

And like I said , I'm glad James dumped Larry. He had a couple bad years , but I bet he gets his shit strait for this next season and starts to show what he's capable of.
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I'm just straight up cornfused to be honest, I can say that i drank Coke at home and hated Pepsi and no one ever knew....
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10/12/2011 11:15am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2011 11:21am
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I thought Serg took put allot of blame on himself, saying he was not able to get the bike to work how Stewart wanted. Also that...
I thought Serg took put allot of blame on himself, saying he was not able to get the bike to work how Stewart wanted. Also that he was pretty overwhelmed after LB was let go because he had to take over all of the bikes development - not just suspension.
"not just suspension"
they tried all sorts of suspension etc..with no response
And yes the suspension was a major issue in the whole L&M fiasco along with a few other things.

"I thought Serg took put allot of blame on himself, saying he was not able to get the bike to work how Stewart wanted."
He prolly did put a lot of the blame on himself after Brooks was 86th...who else was there to blame?

"Also that he was pretty overwhelmed after LB was let go because he had to take over all of the bikes development"
Something tells me he may have possibly knew a lot more about what was going on and what was to come, then what he had stated.

He seemed to tell an easy story.
I enjoyed reading his interview....
But like I said before,it seemed a pretty sugar coated to me.

The one thing that no one has answered is, where the heck Yamaha was in all of this?
LB & Yamaha always had a close relationship from what I could always tell....
James was personally under contract Yamaha and you would think they would have had someone else also working on the bikes development or maybe had something to offer.Especially when he is their top SX rider..,.and a bike like that is in the public's eye every weekend. He brought in his own development guy in also.....which is sorta odd to me.
If the problems with the bike were really so bad & Brooks fault,what was Yamaha's take on all that?
Or did they not even want to be involved?
You would think the guy developing the bike would have some answers to these questions.
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10/12/2011 11:17am
I used to be a fan of James... But this not racing because blah blah blah.. cry cry cry is getting old. Grow a set and get out there.
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10/12/2011 11:22am
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He may have done better with LB there, but I think if he is second guessing anything its leaving Kawasaki and going SX only.
Money money money mooooney.......MONEY
10/12/2011 11:27am
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I used to be a fan of James... But this not racing because blah blah blah.. cry cry cry is getting old. Grow a set and...
I used to be a fan of James... But this not racing because blah blah blah.. cry cry cry is getting old. Grow a set and get out there.
That's funny, James doesn't go to McDonald's and tell you how to do your job.
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That's funny, James doesn't go to McDonald's and tell you how to do your job.
If he made my hamburger wrong I would tell him how to make it.
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10/12/2011 11:37am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2011 11:38am
That's funny, James doesn't go to McDonald's and tell you how to do your job.
If he made my hamburger wrong I would tell him how to make it.
Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we want to see. If we don't get it, our allegences go elsewhere - goes for sponsors too...
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Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we...
Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we want to see. If we don't get it, our allegences go elsewhere - goes for sponsors too...
How many has he lost so far?
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I used to be a fan of James... But this not racing because blah blah blah.. cry cry cry is getting old. Grow a set and...
I used to be a fan of James... But this not racing because blah blah blah.. cry cry cry is getting old. Grow a set and get out there.
That's funny, James doesn't go to McDonald's and tell you how to do your job.
Making a Double quater pounder isn't that hard....
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Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we...
Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we want to see. If we don't get it, our allegences go elsewhere - goes for sponsors too...
GuyB wrote:
How many has he lost so far?
You tell us. Fans, quite a few. Sponsors, we don't know because he hasn't said who he has...

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