Vital Train-Wreck

Homey55
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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 2:18pm
I swear it happened just after MXdN.

I've been following this forum for several years and only joined a couple years ago. This place used to be pretty cool! People could have an opinion, people put thought into their post's and sure enough BobbyM and BigLenny put their $.02 into just about every post to keep things light hearted and enjoyable. Nowadays we have people under their 3rd, 4th or 5th screen name spewing the same lame crap, de-railing threads, insulting others, and frankly, ruining the Forum. Any single thread gets de-railed after about the 10th post and turns into a big steaming pile!

The personal attacks on the journalist's (GuyB, Matthes, Ping, Jody, DC) are LAME! I'm not defending those guys and I have no horse in this race, but give these guys a break! It's contract time, the big guys (Stewart, Reed, Dungy, RV, etc.) have their own private test facilities, they are under contract with other employers and are not allowed to divulge info as to where they are going. The same Journalist's give us good bits of info that they can talk about but all these new guys here want it all now and want the media to loose their job over an inside scoop. That would be like getting your friend fired from a job because you told his boss he was looking at other employers. People on this site think that the journalist's should be doing that??!!

The things I used to enjoy here are gone...BobbyM walks a tight rope because people can't take a joke, lots of good members are gone for the same reason, and now we have journalist's attacking journalist's (Dandunes vs. Nerd, Matthes vs. Jody, Ping vs. everyone)!

My suggestion is to cut some of the people that constantly de-rail threads, clean up the dumb threads, teach the newb's how to have an intellegent, 2-way, conversation, show the moderators and industry folks some respect and please give tblazier his own forum to post pictures and video into! I think if half of these things were accomplished the forum would improve 100%.
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EastFlorida
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10/11/2011 12:57pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2011 12:58pm
How does a thread about Dunge/Nike turn into a debate about the FDA and Energy Drink advertising?

That's part of the problem. Start a new thread so it can grow or be trashed... instead or hijacking an existing thread
tp4
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10/11/2011 1:04pm
most of these posters never knew what its like to ride mx or chase dreams or even the history..muchless sweat.
just pot stirs,sitting on the couch watching their post count raise to fuel their next mission.
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10/11/2011 1:20pm
If you compare the mx journalist to the mainstream sports journalists, it's easy to see why some have a problem with the way things are handled. Way more money involved with the NFL, yet we get all sorts of info both good and bad from them.

Every year in the mainstream sports they have free agents, mx is no different. Yet in the NFL,MLB, and the NBA we get stories everyday about who is rumored to go where. In mx we get rumors from a message board, the big websites don't really do much to break the stories, they just wait till they are called. It's tough to play both sides. There is a reason why TFS and Rupert are no longer a mainstay on the message boards.

MX is what it is, it will never be mainstream and it's unfair for the fans to think they will get any major news unless the proper channels say it's ok.

We all knew Dungey was rumored to go to KTM at the start of the season, plenty of people knew, yet how many found out it was true by going to one of the few message boards? That kind of story should be on mx websites, not message boards.

It's a small, very small industry and if you want to stay in it, you better know how to play the game.


Everyone has an opinion, just cause you agree with one opinion doesn't make it right. If you disagree with an opinion doesn't make that person wrong.

I have said alot of ..well not so nice of things about DC. I have talked to him and apologized. I think if I would of come at him a different way, it would of been handled better. You learn and move on. We are not all going to agree, but we can disagree without the childish name calling and personal attacks. Hard to tell how someone means something on a message board unless you know the persons personality.
Homey55
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10/11/2011 1:28pm
MX journalist's don't get paid as much as a mainstream journalist either. I can't imagine Matthes sticking his neck out and loosing his job for the peanuts he is making (compared to the guys he is writing about).

This is no way an insult to Matthes, I think he is doing a great job given his limitations within the sport.

I just wish people would understand that they can't get everything they want instantly and insulting the reporters gets you nowhere, hence the decline of Vital.

The Shop

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10/11/2011 1:35pm
Homey55 wrote:
MX journalist's don't get paid as much as a mainstream journalist either. I can't imagine Matthes sticking his neck out and loosing his job for the...
MX journalist's don't get paid as much as a mainstream journalist either. I can't imagine Matthes sticking his neck out and loosing his job for the peanuts he is making (compared to the guys he is writing about).

This is no way an insult to Matthes, I think he is doing a great job given his limitations within the sport.

I just wish people would understand that they can't get everything they want instantly and insulting the reporters gets you nowhere, hence the decline of Vital.
You obviously don't realize that Matthes is the main distributer of 99.9 percent of all the PED's consumed in this industry?
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10/11/2011 1:47pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2011 1:47pm
Well, if it aint 2-stroke, it aint nothin! JK, I love everyone!
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10/11/2011 1:53pm
There's a reason I call the off-season Hunting Season. Smile
FreshTopEnd
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10/11/2011 2:01pm
No limit
BobbyM
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10/11/2011 3:28pm
wawazat wrote:
If you compare the mx journalist to the mainstream sports journalists, it's easy to see why some have a problem with the way things are handled...
If you compare the mx journalist to the mainstream sports journalists, it's easy to see why some have a problem with the way things are handled. Way more money involved with the NFL, yet we get all sorts of info both good and bad from them.

Every year in the mainstream sports they have free agents, mx is no different. Yet in the NFL,MLB, and the NBA we get stories everyday about who is rumored to go where. In mx we get rumors from a message board, the big websites don't really do much to break the stories, they just wait till they are called. It's tough to play both sides. There is a reason why TFS and Rupert are no longer a mainstay on the message boards.

MX is what it is, it will never be mainstream and it's unfair for the fans to think they will get any major news unless the proper channels say it's ok.

We all knew Dungey was rumored to go to KTM at the start of the season, plenty of people knew, yet how many found out it was true by going to one of the few message boards? That kind of story should be on mx websites, not message boards.

It's a small, very small industry and if you want to stay in it, you better know how to play the game.


Everyone has an opinion, just cause you agree with one opinion doesn't make it right. If you disagree with an opinion doesn't make that person wrong.

I have said alot of ..well not so nice of things about DC. I have talked to him and apologized. I think if I would of come at him a different way, it would of been handled better. You learn and move on. We are not all going to agree, but we can disagree without the childish name calling and personal attacks. Hard to tell how someone means something on a message board unless you know the persons personality.
childish name calling is unacceptable and very immature, i mean you mouthbreathing spermbeards need to grow up a little bit...sheesh.
Homey55
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10/11/2011 3:40pm
GuyB wrote:
There's a reason I call the off-season Hunting Season. Smile
I'm saying that you need a bigger gun!
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10/11/2011 3:42pm
GuyB wrote:
There's a reason I call the off-season Hunting Season. Smile
bag em and tag em Woohoo

S
ODB
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10/11/2011 3:44pm
i second that notion .......and Matthes ...PED's......................
GuyB
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10/11/2011 3:46pm
Homey55 wrote:
I'm saying that you need a bigger gun!
I prefer a sniper approach, not a shotgun. Smile
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10/11/2011 3:49pm
be easier and cheaper to use a fog bomb and rid the bar of all the roaches and termites at once.....
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10/11/2011 4:01pm
GuyB wrote:
There's a reason I call the off-season Hunting Season. Smile
bag em and tag em Woohoo

S
like going to the bar on ladies night during deer hunt weekend... shooting fish in a barrel Smile
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10/11/2011 4:03pm
stillwelding
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10/11/2011 4:06pm
Homey55 wrote:
I swear it happened just after MXdN. I've been following this forum for several years and only joined a couple years ago. This place used to...
I swear it happened just after MXdN.

I've been following this forum for several years and only joined a couple years ago. This place used to be pretty cool! People could have an opinion, people put thought into their post's and sure enough BobbyM and BigLenny put their $.02 into just about every post to keep things light hearted and enjoyable. Nowadays we have people under their 3rd, 4th or 5th screen name spewing the same lame crap, de-railing threads, insulting others, and frankly, ruining the Forum. Any single thread gets de-railed after about the 10th post and turns into a big steaming pile!

The personal attacks on the journalist's (GuyB, Matthes, Ping, Jody, DC) are LAME! I'm not defending those guys and I have no horse in this race, but give these guys a break! It's contract time, the big guys (Stewart, Reed, Dungy, RV, etc.) have their own private test facilities, they are under contract with other employers and are not allowed to divulge info as to where they are going. The same Journalist's give us good bits of info that they can talk about but all these new guys here want it all now and want the media to loose their job over an inside scoop. That would be like getting your friend fired from a job because you told his boss he was looking at other employers. People on this site think that the journalist's should be doing that??!!

The things I used to enjoy here are gone...BobbyM walks a tight rope because people can't take a joke, lots of good members are gone for the same reason, and now we have journalist's attacking journalist's (Dandunes vs. Nerd, Matthes vs. Jody, Ping vs. everyone)!

My suggestion is to cut some of the people that constantly de-rail threads, clean up the dumb threads, teach the newb's how to have an intellegent, 2-way, conversation, show the moderators and industry folks some respect and please give tblazier his own forum to post pictures and video into! I think if half of these things were accomplished the forum would improve 100%.
I understand what you're saying, but. The only way you're gonna get what you state, is to start your own website. Peace.
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10/11/2011 4:12pm
I understand what you're saying, but. The only way you're gonna get what you state, is to start your own website. Peace.
GuyB does a good job, just wish some people could figure out how to be more realistic and mature.
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10/11/2011 4:13pm
OH sorry, I meant PEZ
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10/11/2011 4:21pm
Another simple thing to do is if you don't like where a thread is going just don't read it. I do that all the time. That huge thread of Ping that got deleted I didn't even bother reading it. If a thread has over a couple pages I usually don't read it because 9 times out of 10 it's just a few people arguing.
Homey55
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10/11/2011 4:27pm
level wrote:
Another simple thing to do is if you don't like where a thread is going just don't read it. I do that all the time. That...
Another simple thing to do is if you don't like where a thread is going just don't read it. I do that all the time. That huge thread of Ping that got deleted I didn't even bother reading it. If a thread has over a couple pages I usually don't read it because 9 times out of 10 it's just a few people arguing.
My point is that almost every thread goes that direction after just a few posts. That's why it's getting so frustrating here. A majority of the guys here have great info and add a lot to the posts but the growing trend is to degrade and insult eachother. You have to admit that these posts are unavoidable lately.
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10/11/2011 4:34pm
Like I always say, its not a party til the cops show up. ...........if some of the guys on here showing you how dumb you really are hurts your feelings you have issues.
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10/11/2011 4:36pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2011 4:37pm
If you are honestly sticking up for BobbyM, well, I'll not ever take you seriously. The guy may have fourteen and a half thousand posts ( which I guess gives him some sort of forum cred ) but he still says some terrible things to some on here. There is ABSOLUTLY NO REASON to use the filthy language he uses. Didn't he just come back from some "time off"? Pity - should have kept him away. Seriously. No one can argue with me that he uses some pretty foul language. Its not neccessary.

Not to derail your thread - carry on.
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Homey55
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10/11/2011 4:43pm
JB 19 wrote:
Like I always say, its not a party til the cops show up. ...........if some of the guys on here showing you how dumb you really...
Like I always say, its not a party til the cops show up. ...........if some of the guys on here showing you how dumb you really are hurts your feelings you have issues.
23 post's in....my feelings don't get hurt on here and if someone points out my stupidity than it's my fault and I try not to take it personally. What I'm saying, and what you have missed, is the personal insults are unneeded if it's not related to the topic.

Granted BobbyM takes it to another level, but you should know it's harmless and has been SOP for him since day 1.
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10/11/2011 5:07pm
GuyB wrote:
There's a reason I call the off-season Hunting Season. Smile
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10/11/2011 5:12pm
GuyB wrote:
There's a reason I call the off-season Hunting Season. Smile
MCfan4life wrote:
[img]https://www.zastavki.com/pictures/1280x800/2009/Cartoons_cartoon_hunting_season_013894_.jpg[/img]
Look! So many targets. So much ammo. Wink
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10/11/2011 5:19pm
jody posts on here??
Homey55
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10/11/2011 5:24pm
mxpunk wrote:
jody posts on here??
I don't think so, but I know he is not liked on here.
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10/11/2011 5:29pm
dirtnapper wrote:
If you are honestly sticking up for BobbyM, well, I'll not ever take you seriously. The guy may have fourteen and a half thousand posts (...
If you are honestly sticking up for BobbyM, well, I'll not ever take you seriously. The guy may have fourteen and a half thousand posts ( which I guess gives him some sort of forum cred ) but he still says some terrible things to some on here. There is ABSOLUTLY NO REASON to use the filthy language he uses. Didn't he just come back from some "time off"? Pity - should have kept him away. Seriously. No one can argue with me that he uses some pretty foul language. Its not neccessary.

Not to derail your thread - carry on.
I'll stick up for Bobby, and I don't have to agree with everything he says or his style to do it. You represent a crowd that hasn't been here that long and has decided what the flavor of the board should be, but I don't think you have the full picture. At lot of the people here are old friends in spite of the differences they have.

A bit of this sanctimonious attitude and a bit of the pot stirring attitude that's a little too persistent is the problem. There was a certain perfect anarchy at the old Fresh Dirt that for better and worse is missing in the last year or so.

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