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Herman Cain to the Wall Street protesters.....
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ya, he looks more and more like he's part of the problem... sigh
So Borg's point that constitutional review should come at the time of a law's passage as opposed to after if has been bogged down in the lower courts for years and then backlogged for the supreme court and all along being abused has some merit. Probably not physically possible unless something else changes that prevents so many new laws being passed.
i think the term "unconstitutional" has its own meaning. i agree with dave's first post in this thread, but with regards to this, we are arguing semantics.
"unconstitutional" in its literal sense is what dave is talking about. borg was referring to something a lil different. im assuming we all know what he meant?
i think its safe to say that there are plenty of laws in effect that we all think are bullshit and would like to see wiped out.
gimme my life, liberty, and property and you can toss the rest.
Who ever is taking this thing in the wrong direction is doing so purposely, and now that its heading into kooksville the media is starting to cover it.
I give Horndog shit at that other place, but I will give him credit in that he doesn't believe in or follow any "tea party leader" and doesn't believe there is a leader of the tea party movement.
That's what I was saying before, people come out of the woodwork to press their agenda, even though they were not the founder of the movement and not elected or agreed upon to be the leader, they just self-anoint and start acting as leader on their own and make demands, their own demands, and many are silly demands.
Jenny Beth Martin of the Tea Party Patriots is a prime example, she's making and spending money acting as a tea party leader, when in fact she isn't, she's an opportunist. She and her husband were essentially broke, owed the IRS over $500,000 and then founded the "Tea Party Patriots" and has made herself a "leader" of the Tea Party movement and is raking in cash as an employee of a 501c3
Huh!
I understand what you are saying about the tea party, but I don't believe that this is the same deal. It took some time for the tea party to be hijacked. Occupy wall street went from "influence and holding people accountable" almost over night.
If this was on track with the original message, it could have been a real threat to both wall street and our elected officials..
This thing turned into kooksville and is no longer a threat to anyone. Something isn't right with this.
He earned it, created awesome products and provided countless jobs.
However these (mostly) young, just out of/still in college protestors are probably on their Apple I phones all day, doing whatever. Reaping the benefits from people like Steve Jobs.
But was not Steve Jobs just another rich, greedy,selfish, billionaire with too much money? Shouldn't most of his money be taken and given to the "less fortunate"?
I say nope!
The irony is sometimes too much to over look.
in the list of supposed demands....they want tariffs back on imports and to bring jobs back to america. yet......blah blah blah.....you know the rest.
Pit Row
It's ALL Bush's fault!
http://www.dailypaul.com/181721/oath-keepers-join-ows-anti-fed-mass-demonstrations
It will be interesting how the mainstream media handles this. Oath Keepers has been labeled as a radical right wing fringe group. If they want to continue to sell OWS as a left wing movement will they just ignore Oath Keepers, or will they now shift gears and say it’s a protest by crazy radicals from both fringes?
The mainstream media is not telling the real story that is unfolding right now. You guys need to pay attention.
Demand One: End the bailouts
Demand Two: Reduce the size & intrusiveness of government
Demand Three: Stop the out-of-control spending
Demand Four: No government-run healthcare
Demand Five: Stop raising our taxes
Man, those are some crazy demands, aren't they? Those people are freakin whacko for asking for that stuff!!!! In fact, that is outright treason to demand something that treacherous!!!!!!! What a bunch of freakin terrorists!!!!!!!!
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1206686570001/sausage-the-riot-dog-joins-gre…
We don't have 'government run' healthcare, unless you are counting medicare and medicaid, and I remember seeing tea baggers' signs saying 'hands off my medicare'
As far as demand 5, tax rates are at their lowest now then in any of our lifetimes.
You tell a tea bagger that they have more take-home pay now than they did under Bush, and they'd call you a liar.
http://www.theteapartyplatform.com/categories/Platform.aspx
Platform Item 35: Amendment to the Constitution - Taxes
Platform Item 34: Checks and Balances on the Courts (Seriously? They want to end the separation of powers between the three branches, tell the courts to "fuck off"...seriously?)
Platform Item 33: Lame Duck Sessions (make lame duck sessions invalid and require the new congress to re-vote on anything passed during a lame duck session, even though those congresspersons are still lawful members of congress....another "fuck off" in direct conflict of the constitution)
Platform Item 32: Repeal H.R. 3808
Platform Item 31: Pension Plans
Platform Item 30: United Nations (kick the UN out of NYC)
Platform Item 29: NASA and Space Exploration (Space good, people bad)
Platform Item 28: Controlling our Representatives
Platform Item 27: Immigration Enforcement
Platform Item 26: Department of Energy (DOE) (Spin back the DoE to prior of 1976 standards?)
Platform Item 25: Environmental Protection Agency (eliminate it....so, just let people and companies piss and shit anywhere they want. Dump your toxic commercial waste out back, who cares....)
Platform Item 24: Entitlements (SS, Medicare/medicaid, welfare...eliminate it all....space good, people bad)
Platform Item 23: Repeal & Replace Healthcare
Platform Item 22: Corrupt Deals
Platform Item 21: Affirmative Action
Platform Item 20: Our Homes
Platform Item 19: Tort Reform (What's the value of your child? How much is your penis worth?)
Platform Item 18: The Death Penalty (Congress will now argue if a criminal should die, taking more of the court's jurisdiction)
Platform Item 17: Senate / House Rules (Let's re-write the Constitution...you know, the one we say we want to follow)
Platform Item 16: War and Peace
Platform Item 15: Labor Unions
Platform Item 14: The 14th Amendment (more "let's re-write the constitution we say we love")
Platform Item 13: Torture (fuck it, torture 'em)
Platform Item 12: Illegal Immigration
Platform Item 11: Immigration
Platform Item 10: Homosexual Marriage ("We regard the traditional definition of marriage, the union of a man and a woman, as the core unit within the American culture. We oppose any aberration to the definition of marriage."....'nuf said)
Platform Item 9: Balanced Budget Amendment
Platform Item 8: The 2nd Amendment
Platform Item 7: The First Amendment (the intent in this one is the bridge the gap between the separation of church and state)
Platform Item 6: The Right to Life (yeah, OK)
Platform Item 5: Court Appointments (I love this one...."The candidate pledges to appoint/confirm only justices whose history indicates them to be a strict constructionist and who will interpret the law/constitution in accordance with their original intent.")
Platform Item 4: Congressmen Are Government Employees
Platform Item 3: Size of Government
Platform Item 2: Global Warming (This one is just funny...."We expect our government to do absolutely nothing to combat Global Warming and we reject the notion of any government being able to affect Climate Change."...I think the global warming thing is natural and not man made, but just because I think it's bullshit doesn't mean it truly is....)
Platform Item 1: Healthcare
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