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motokawi818 8/21/2011 5:16pm
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I say this whole argument should be over until the outdoors ends. MX1 has always been given to the top 450 class rider so why shouldn't it be this year?
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95% of the people posting in this thread do not understand how stupid this topic is. They also don't understand the FIM class structure for this event and what it means. The classes don't mean shit at this event. Anyone can ride any class except for max age in the mx2 class. It has nothing to do with what class the riders race during their selected series. Wow. Just wow.
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EatAChode 8/21/2011 5:51pm
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RD has done the MXON twice on the 450 and won. Experience and previous history along with his current great season he deserves it. It is still RV first season on the 450 outdoors. But who cares. Our team is fucking stacked! Ken Roczen meet Blake Blagget!
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Randy Olson wrote:
I was at Budds Creek when Villopoto killed everyone and at Thunder Valley when Dungey lead Team USA to another title, but hearing you two squabble...
I was at Budds Creek when Villopoto killed everyone and at Thunder Valley when Dungey lead Team USA to another title, but hearing you two squabble over who gets to ride with the Number 1 plate reminds me of 3 year olds fighting over a toy. Seriously, no one gives a shit what plate you guys run. It makes both of you look petty and self-absorbed. Get over yourselves and ride for your country. Lots of guys are doing it and they're not bickering over who gets to run 43 or 44. Plus, riding with the Number 1 plate will do nothing to decide who is the better rider in the Nationals or at the MXdN.
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So your at your JOB and they hand out a end of the year bonus to the employee of the year and its between you and...
So your at your JOB and they hand out a end of the year bonus to the employee of the year and its between
you and your stiffest competition and you have out sold him, but because he won last year when you were
out 3 months with a broken leg he gets the nod from the Boss. You are going to go over and congratulate
him and tell him to enjoy the fat bonus he got because we are all just a team. Oh, and in the past 10 years
the #1 salesman got the bonus except this year when you were the #1 salesman. I personally would like
RV2 to be MX3 because it would be cool to see the MX3 rider go 1-1, has it ever happened?
I'm not sure if what i here is true, but from what i was told is Ryan V has just got his health back within the last few weeks. There has been alot of people saying he doesn't look the same and they were right. He is suppose to be in top shape now and it looked like a different Ryan at the Dilla. If these rumors are true i don't see dungey winning another race this year and RV will go 1-1 at the DeNations and proove to the world he is the man.


Barcia will get great starts and dungey can't get passed him so even if RV got a 39th place start he will still catch and pass Dungey.

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70% of the top MX1 GP riders are out for the year with injuries. Most of those guys were mx1 or mx3 in the mxdn. This is turning into a joke of a "race". The blue flags will be waving at the 5 minute mark.
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Randy Olson wrote:
I was at Budds Creek when Villopoto killed everyone and at Thunder Valley when Dungey lead Team USA to another title, but hearing you two squabble...
I was at Budds Creek when Villopoto killed everyone and at Thunder Valley when Dungey lead Team USA to another title, but hearing you two squabble over who gets to ride with the Number 1 plate reminds me of 3 year olds fighting over a toy. Seriously, no one gives a shit what plate you guys run. It makes both of you look petty and self-absorbed. Get over yourselves and ride for your country. Lots of guys are doing it and they're not bickering over who gets to run 43 or 44. Plus, riding with the Number 1 plate will do nothing to decide who is the better rider in the Nationals or at the MXdN.
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So your at your JOB and they hand out a end of the year bonus to the employee of the year and its between you and...
So your at your JOB and they hand out a end of the year bonus to the employee of the year and its between
you and your stiffest competition and you have out sold him, but because he won last year when you were
out 3 months with a broken leg he gets the nod from the Boss. You are going to go over and congratulate
him and tell him to enjoy the fat bonus he got because we are all just a team. Oh, and in the past 10 years
the #1 salesman got the bonus except this year when you were the #1 salesman. I personally would like
RV2 to be MX3 because it would be cool to see the MX3 rider go 1-1, has it ever happened?
NeverRaced wrote:
I'm not sure if what i here is true, but from what i was told is Ryan V has just got his health back within the...
I'm not sure if what i here is true, but from what i was told is Ryan V has just got his health back within the last few weeks. There has been alot of people saying he doesn't look the same and they were right. He is suppose to be in top shape now and it looked like a different Ryan at the Dilla. If these rumors are true i don't see dungey winning another race this year and RV will go 1-1 at the DeNations and proove to the world he is the man.


Barcia will get great starts and dungey can't get passed him so even if RV got a 39th place start he will still catch and pass Dungey.
Oh dear Lord, make it stop!! Insert rolling eyes..
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pilotdude 8/21/2011 6:42pm
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RacerX online poll:

Who do you think should be Team USA's MX1 rider?

Ryan Villopoto: 6800 votes 64.1%

Ryan Dungey: 3813 votes 35.9%

Again it should just be top American in the 450 Nationals-MX1, runner-up American in 450s-MX3, top American 250 Nationals-MX2. Any controversy here is completely unneeded.
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Mstock wrote:
70% of the top MX1 GP riders are out for the year with injuries. Most of those guys were mx1 or mx3 in the mxdn. This...
70% of the top MX1 GP riders are out for the year with injuries. Most of those guys were mx1 or mx3 in the mxdn. This is turning into a joke of a "race". The blue flags will be waving at the 5 minute mark.
yeah im kind of bummed about that. i loove how everyone talks about pourcel but now the gps have a depleted field. kind of like the ama a few years back
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Uncleof2 wrote:
So your at your JOB and they hand out a end of the year bonus to the employee of the year and its between you and...
So your at your JOB and they hand out a end of the year bonus to the employee of the year and its between
you and your stiffest competition and you have out sold him, but because he won last year when you were
out 3 months with a broken leg he gets the nod from the Boss. You are going to go over and congratulate
him and tell him to enjoy the fat bonus he got because we are all just a team. Oh, and in the past 10 years
the #1 salesman got the bonus except this year when you were the #1 salesman. I personally would like
RV2 to be MX3 because it would be cool to see the MX3 rider go 1-1, has it ever happened?
NeverRaced wrote:
I'm not sure if what i here is true, but from what i was told is Ryan V has just got his health back within the...
I'm not sure if what i here is true, but from what i was told is Ryan V has just got his health back within the last few weeks. There has been alot of people saying he doesn't look the same and they were right. He is suppose to be in top shape now and it looked like a different Ryan at the Dilla. If these rumors are true i don't see dungey winning another race this year and RV will go 1-1 at the DeNations and proove to the world he is the man.


Barcia will get great starts and dungey can't get passed him so even if RV got a 39th place start he will still catch and pass Dungey.
raddad wrote:
Oh dear Lord, make it stop!! Insert rolling eyes..
Rolling eyes inserted. Dungey will not finish top 5 at next race. His ego will get the best of him and he will go down and get barried deep in the pack.


1. RV
2. JB
3. CR
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Barried...lol . new word. This is a non issue. I guess in an off week not much else to talk about.
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Mstock wrote:
95% of the people posting in this thread do not understand how stupid this topic is. They also don't understand the FIM class structure for this...
95% of the people posting in this thread do not understand how stupid this topic is. They also don't understand the FIM class structure for this event and what it means. The classes don't mean shit at this event. Anyone can ride any class except for max age in the mx2 class. It has nothing to do with what class the riders race during their selected series. Wow. Just wow.
I honestly don't really care who rides what, but, in response to your post^, I wonder how it would have played out if Fro had raced the 250 class and McGrath had raced a 500 back in the day? Never would've happened

IMO, the guy winning the "premiere" class from each country should be matched up simply for the pure sportsmanship of the whole deal. That's why I think the decision should be made at, or after Pala.
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Mstock wrote:
95% of the people posting in this thread do not understand how stupid this topic is. They also don't understand the FIM class structure for this...
95% of the people posting in this thread do not understand how stupid this topic is. They also don't understand the FIM class structure for this event and what it means. The classes don't mean shit at this event. Anyone can ride any class except for max age in the mx2 class. It has nothing to do with what class the riders race during their selected series. Wow. Just wow.
Outsider wrote:
I honestly don't really care who rides what, but, in response to your post^, I wonder how it would have played out if Fro had raced...
I honestly don't really care who rides what, but, in response to your post^, I wonder how it would have played out if Fro had raced the 250 class and McGrath had raced a 500 back in the day? Never would've happened

IMO, the guy winning the "premiere" class from each country should be matched up simply for the pure sportsmanship of the whole deal. That's why I think the decision should be made at, or after Pala.
The difference now is both will be riding the same bike they always ride. It's really not as hard of a decision. It doesn't matter. Then you had to make the decision of who do we put on this antiquated pos 500.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
The difference now is both will be riding the same bike they always ride. It's really not as hard of a decision. It doesn't matter. Then...
The difference now is both will be riding the same bike they always ride. It's really not as hard of a decision. It doesn't matter. Then you had to make the decision of who do we put on this antiquated pos 500.
True, but we still want our "top guy" to race everyone else's top guys, in the same class. That was what I was getting at. Like I said, I don't care, just discussing the logic of it all. In the end we have a dominant team if everyone is healthy.
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bama205 8/21/2011 7:21pm
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Mstock wrote:
Funny how people think the GP MX3 series has anything to do with who rides the MX3 class at the MXDN. Roczen, Herlings, and Carioli could...
Funny how people think the GP MX3 series has anything to do with who rides the MX3 class at the MXDN. Roczen, Herlings, and Carioli could ride MX3 if the teams wanted to. Hell Roczen and Herlings should ride the MX1 class. The classes themselves don't mean shit. That is why it is so pathetic that any rider is butt hurt about what class they ride.

If RV does not like the situation he should stay home and take the weekend off. He earns the same. ZERO.
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Where is RV "butt hurt" and/or "whining"?
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Pulpmx show RV interview and his uncle posted in this thread his displeasure with the decision.
oh. so its a big deal to express displeasure? you yellow wimps. probably had weak fathers too. OMG someone complained!!!! AHHHHH its so.... not... cookie cutter!
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bama205 8/21/2011 7:26pm
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As the overall winner of last year's MXdN and the leader of the winning team, doesn't it seem appropriate that Dungey should wear the #1 plate...
As the overall winner of last year's MXdN and the leader of the winning team, doesn't it seem appropriate that Dungey should wear the #1 plate for this year's race, regardless of whether there is someone else on this year's team that is potentially faster than him? If you think of the MXdN as what it is, a one race Championship, that seems like the right move on DeCoster's part.
No.
speedy mendeavel 8/21/2011 7:35pm
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
The difference now is both will be riding the same bike they always ride. It's really not as hard of a decision. It doesn't matter. Then...
The difference now is both will be riding the same bike they always ride. It's really not as hard of a decision. It doesn't matter. Then you had to make the decision of who do we put on this antiquated pos 500.
Outsider wrote:
True, but we still want our "top guy" to race everyone else's top guys, in the same class. That was what I was getting at. Like...
True, but we still want our "top guy" to race everyone else's top guys, in the same class. That was what I was getting at. Like I said, I don't care, just discussing the logic of it all. In the end we have a dominant team if everyone is healthy.
Define top guy?

Are we just going off of Dilla results? I find it funny that since RV finally (on the 9th round) went 1-1, everyone and their mother is now saying, "oh RV is finally healthy and where he should be now."

Are you kidding me?? Did you see Unadilla? I did...I was there in person. The track was fast...very fast. Hard to make up time, even if you have better endurance like Dungey if the track is really fast and one-lined since the track was tilled so deep.
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Someone better call Outsider the Fanbulance! :laugh: [img]https://www.ocscottie.com/new/uploads/fanbulance.jpg[/img] B)
Someone better call Outsider the Fanbulance! Laughing



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Just hope he doesnt switch bandwagons like he did in SX and beginning of MX...prob took that month or two break to make sure he wanted to root for RV.

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Someone better call Outsider the Fanbulance! :laugh: [img]https://www.ocscottie.com/new/uploads/fanbulance.jpg[/img] B)
Someone better call Outsider the Fanbulance! Laughing



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LOL... did you get your Roczen PJ's yet Scottie?

Just trying to have a nice discussion here, no need for name calling.Laughing
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
The difference now is both will be riding the same bike they always ride. It's really not as hard of a decision. It doesn't matter. Then...
The difference now is both will be riding the same bike they always ride. It's really not as hard of a decision. It doesn't matter. Then you had to make the decision of who do we put on this antiquated pos 500.
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True, but we still want our "top guy" to race everyone else's top guys, in the same class. That was what I was getting at. Like...
True, but we still want our "top guy" to race everyone else's top guys, in the same class. That was what I was getting at. Like I said, I don't care, just discussing the logic of it all. In the end we have a dominant team if everyone is healthy.
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Define top guy? Are we just going off of Dilla results? I find it funny that since RV finally (on the 9th round) went 1-1, everyone...
Define top guy?

Are we just going off of Dilla results? I find it funny that since RV finally (on the 9th round) went 1-1, everyone and their mother is now saying, "oh RV is finally healthy and where he should be now."

Are you kidding me?? Did you see Unadilla? I did...I was there in person. The track was fast...very fast. Hard to make up time, even if you have better endurance like Dungey if the track is really fast and one-lined since the track was tilled so deep.
I didn't say RV was the top guy... try to keep up! I said we should wait till the season's over to chose THE TOP GUY, whoever that is. Geez, you Dungey fanboys are so sensitive! WOW
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wreckitrandy 8/21/2011 8:07pm
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The bible teaches us to take the back seat. To, esteem others better than ourselves. This should be a none issue as far as the riders go.
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speedy mendeavel wrote:
Define top guy? Are we just going off of Dilla results? I find it funny that since RV finally (on the 9th round) went 1-1, everyone...
Define top guy?

Are we just going off of Dilla results? I find it funny that since RV finally (on the 9th round) went 1-1, everyone and their mother is now saying, "oh RV is finally healthy and where he should be now."

Are you kidding me?? Did you see Unadilla? I did...I was there in person. The track was fast...very fast. Hard to make up time, even if you have better endurance like Dungey if the track is really fast and one-lined since the track was tilled so deep.
Dude do you not see the points standings? Everyone is just saying each country puts their best 450 rider in the MX1 class so we should do the same. The announcement should be made after Pala and if Dungey wins the championship he should be the MX1 rider but if not it needs to be Villopoto. And don't say RV doesn't have MXoN experience. He waxed the whole field on a 250f a couple years ago.
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wreckitrandy wrote:
The bible teaches us to take the back seat. To, esteem others better than ourselves. This should be a none issue as far as the riders...
The bible teaches us to take the back seat. To, esteem others better than ourselves. This should be a none issue as far as the riders go.
Again...we have an issue there.. RV is a "christian"..
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I didn't say RV was the[i] top guy[/i]... try to keep up! I said we should wait till the season's over to chose [i]THE TOP GUY[/i]...
I didn't say RV was the top guy... try to keep up! I said we should wait till the season's over to chose THE TOP GUY, whoever that is. Geez, you Dungey fanboys are so sensitive! WOW
Weren't you a Dungey fanboy for half of the sx season....

Prob were after Millville and Washougal too!
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..and i agree Chris, remember 07 when RC got hurt at GH? we not only had to bring in Ivan as the replacement rider, but also switch James to MX1 and Ivan ride MX3. Hell they were changing the grafix on the bikes AT the event.
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..and i agree Chris, remember 07 when RC got hurt at GH? we not only had to bring in Ivan as the replacement rider, but also...
..and i agree Chris, remember 07 when RC got hurt at GH? we not only had to bring in Ivan as the replacement rider, but also switch James to MX1 and Ivan ride MX3. Hell they were changing the grafix on the bikes AT the event.
Yes, I do remember RC crashing at GH... forgot about Tedesco... good point.
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Define top guy? Are we just going off of Dilla results? I find it funny that since RV finally (on the 9th round) went 1-1, everyone...
Define top guy?

Are we just going off of Dilla results? I find it funny that since RV finally (on the 9th round) went 1-1, everyone and their mother is now saying, "oh RV is finally healthy and where he should be now."

Are you kidding me?? Did you see Unadilla? I did...I was there in person. The track was fast...very fast. Hard to make up time, even if you have better endurance like Dungey if the track is really fast and one-lined since the track was tilled so deep.
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Dude do you not see the points standings? Everyone is just saying each country puts their best 450 rider in the MX1 class so we should...
Dude do you not see the points standings? Everyone is just saying each country puts their best 450 rider in the MX1 class so we should do the same. The announcement should be made after Pala and if Dungey wins the championship he should be the MX1 rider but if not it needs to be Villopoto. And don't say RV doesn't have MXoN experience. He waxed the whole field on a 250f a couple years ago.
Why would I say anything about RV not having MXON experience since he's obviously been there...

Yes I remember Budds Creek a few years ago...it's all of RV fanboys favorite past time.

He rode awesome that day, but RC went down at the first turn or else Poto and the field would have been the ones that got "waxed" that moto.
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speedy mendeavel wrote:
Weren't you a Dungey fanboy for half of the sx season....

Prob were after Millville and Washougal too!
Uh no... lol.
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I agree that waiting until the season is over is probably best. But, think about it: at the time of the announcement (I was there) RD was still 1 point out of the points lead, after spoting RV 26 points (25 for the lost moto win and RV would have lost one more point if RD had finished the moto as they were running)...RD won the title last year, RD had the momentum going into Unadilla. The announcement was made before the racing at Unadilla...Plus this title is not over, the fanboys are in force and MAKING this an issue after RV has two good motos... He has 2 overall wins in a season where he was suppose to "decimate the field".

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