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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 12:44pm
Who is you're pick?

Ryan Dungey
Ryan Villopoto
Justin Barcia
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FastEddy 6/8/2011 12:46am
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MX1 Dungey
MX2 Tomac
MX3 RV
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TDeath21 6/8/2011 12:58am
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Hard to say after 2 races. So much can change, but as of right now...

MX1 Dungey
MX2 Baggett
MX3 Villopoto

I also like the idea of Dungey, Villopoto, and Canard going and dropping one down to the 250, but the odds of that happening are slim. In my opinion that's by far our three best riders though.
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Ddavis 6/8/2011 1:15am
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MX1 - Ryan Dungey
MX2 - Eli Tomac
Open - Ryan Villopoto
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rv rd and i'd go with zack if he is still in the form he is at the moment as it takes out the factors of can the other person handle racing outside the states getting use to a gp spec bike and the euro style track ,zac has just shown he is as good as any of the top gp boys round the track

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Switch 6/8/2011 2:26am
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Dungey
RV
Baggett/Barcia/Tomac
aaryn #234 6/8/2011 2:44am
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MX 1 - Dungey
MX 3 - Villopoto

MX 2 - I think everyone is overlooking the most obvious choice Canard!

Pretty sure he is still young enough to race in the MX2 class, the most experiance 250F rider and probably still the fastest lites rider from the USA.

He Beat all the current 250F riders last year dont thing much would have changed in 12 months!
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mmcmx 6/8/2011 3:15am
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Hasn't Zach raced for another country already? You can change countries as you will?
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RV MX 1

RD MX 3

ET MX 2
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kevin204 6/8/2011 4:36am
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Stoop wrote:
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Yup. I'd love to see Zach get the shot in MX2. He's been flying the USA flag solo in the GPs for a while now, let him have a chance to go.
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FastEddy 6/8/2011 5:16am
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mmcmx wrote:
Hasn't Zach raced for another country already? You can change countries as you will?
Yes.
Puerto Rico
However, it is still part of the USA. Wink
Motocross83 6/8/2011 5:46am
6/8/2011 5:46am Edited Date/Time 6/8/2011 5:48am
Dungey (Currently the best American Outdoors).
Villopoto (Misfiring a little right now but still fast and strong).
Osborne (Experience with the track, fast and level headed).

However, it is still too early to say for sure. An alternative to Osborne is Canard.

Although guy's like Barcia and Bagget are fast - I think you need the kind of rider with a cool head at the MXDN. You don't want someone who's going to get caught up in the moment, ride good one moto and then crash out the next. It's a unique event with a huge amount of pressure. I think it favours a mature rider like Canard or Osborne.
wired4speed 6/8/2011 6:00am
6/8/2011 6:00am Edited Date/Time 6/8/2011 6:01am
At this point in time, Dungey and Baggett are the only two I would clearly pick. If Canard comes back and smokes RV then that would round out the top three. I'm not counting out Barcia. Consistent finishes and some early moto hot lap times could send him into the top three . I still would not count Windham or Stewart out. It's a long MX season.
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mmcmx 6/8/2011 6:31am
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wired4speed wrote:
At this point in time, Dungey and Baggett are the only two I would clearly pick. If Canard comes back and smokes RV then that would...
At this point in time, Dungey and Baggett are the only two I would clearly pick. If Canard comes back and smokes RV then that would round out the top three. I'm not counting out Barcia. Consistent finishes and some early moto hot lap times could send him into the top three . I still would not count Windham or Stewart out. It's a long MX season.
Keep dreaming.

Windham would be cool tough, he's the only yank that was kind enoug to come chat with the fans in the MXdN I attended.

I still cant believe they left the podium in matterley in a car. Prima donnas.... The man of the day thoug, Stefan Everts, shaked like a million hands in his way to the Belgium pits.
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carlosmacho 6/8/2011 7:54am
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Motocross83 wrote:
Dungey (Currently the best American Outdoors). Villopoto (Misfiring a little right now but still fast and strong). Osborne (Experience with the track, fast and level headed)...
Dungey (Currently the best American Outdoors).
Villopoto (Misfiring a little right now but still fast and strong).
Osborne (Experience with the track, fast and level headed).

However, it is still too early to say for sure. An alternative to Osborne is Canard.

Although guy's like Barcia and Bagget are fast - I think you need the kind of rider with a cool head at the MXDN. You don't want someone who's going to get caught up in the moment, ride good one moto and then crash out the next. It's a unique event with a huge amount of pressure. I think it favours a mature rider like Canard or Osborne.
I disagree. The MXDN is all about speed (if you want to win). And Barcia has it, that is why there is one throw away moto. Eli is blazing fast also. I would select Osborne if Barcia and Eli were out. The American Rookies And Sophmores are tempered in the high pressure of Supercross, that is why they are good at handling pressure. I would use Canard if Villopoto doesnt come out of his funk.
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GrapeApe 6/8/2011 8:03am
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Osborne just competed really well on the actual track that will host the MXdN, that would be hard to ignore if I were in charge. I think he will be hurt by the fact that he's not a domestic PC or FC guy, though. Not saying it's right, but I think it's the case. He will probably only get consideration if Baggett, Tomac and Barcia cannot race.
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Skinnly 6/8/2011 8:12am
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Decoster may go with a wild card like Zach,but I doubt it.
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Ddavis 6/8/2011 8:58am
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When it comes to MXDN, Decoster doesn't like to make chances.

Except maybe Ryno 2000.

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Motocross83 6/8/2011 9:10am
6/8/2011 9:10am Edited Date/Time 6/8/2011 9:14am
Motocross83 wrote:
Dungey (Currently the best American Outdoors). Villopoto (Misfiring a little right now but still fast and strong). Osborne (Experience with the track, fast and level headed)...
Dungey (Currently the best American Outdoors).
Villopoto (Misfiring a little right now but still fast and strong).
Osborne (Experience with the track, fast and level headed).

However, it is still too early to say for sure. An alternative to Osborne is Canard.

Although guy's like Barcia and Bagget are fast - I think you need the kind of rider with a cool head at the MXDN. You don't want someone who's going to get caught up in the moment, ride good one moto and then crash out the next. It's a unique event with a huge amount of pressure. I think it favours a mature rider like Canard or Osborne.
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I disagree. The MXDN is all about speed (if you want to win). And Barcia has it, that is why there is one throw away moto...
I disagree. The MXDN is all about speed (if you want to win). And Barcia has it, that is why there is one throw away moto. Eli is blazing fast also. I would select Osborne if Barcia and Eli were out. The American Rookies And Sophmores are tempered in the high pressure of Supercross, that is why they are good at handling pressure. I would use Canard if Villopoto doesnt come out of his funk.
I take your point but it's not all about speed, you still need consistency. Though of course it's true, you do have a throwaway moto and truth be told, regardless of who you pick - you can never guarantee something won't go wrong. It's racing.

But it's a lot of pressure, even more so for the American riders because everyone expects the USA to win. No one wants to let the team down. I fear the younger guys like Barcia or Tomac, might try and over ride the track in France. With a guy like Canard or Osborne, you're still getting top level speed but also with the experience of knowing when to back it down and when to charge.

I'm not saying a rider like Tomac couldn't do it but I think he's a unnecessary risk with better picks on offer.
Both TC and ZO have MXDN experience, they know the format, what to expect etc.
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pilotdude 6/8/2011 9:13am
6/8/2011 9:13am Edited Date/Time 6/8/2011 9:15am
Dungey MX 1/3
Tomac/Baggett/Barcia MX2
Villopoto MX 1/3

Alternate: Canard

I find it interesting that virtually every non-U.S. fan picks Zach Osborne as the MX2 choice. Why is that?
steedmills 6/8/2011 9:18am
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pilotdude wrote:
Dungey MX 1/3 Tomac/Baggett/Barcia MX2 Villopoto MX 1/3 Alternate: Canard I find it interesting that virtually every non-U.S. fan picks Zach Osborne as the MX2 choice...
Dungey MX 1/3
Tomac/Baggett/Barcia MX2
Villopoto MX 1/3

Alternate: Canard

I find it interesting that virtually every non-U.S. fan picks Zach Osborne as the MX2 choice. Why is that?
I find it interesting that virtually every non-U.S. fan picks Zach Osborne as the MX2 choice. Why is that?

this is why (MXdN 2011 track)
Motocross83 6/8/2011 9:19am
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pilotdude wrote:
Dungey MX 1/3 Tomac/Baggett/Barcia MX2 Villopoto MX 1/3 Alternate: Canard I find it interesting that virtually every non-U.S. fan picks Zach Osborne as the MX2 choice...
Dungey MX 1/3
Tomac/Baggett/Barcia MX2
Villopoto MX 1/3

Alternate: Canard

I find it interesting that virtually every non-U.S. fan picks Zach Osborne as the MX2 choice. Why is that?
Because we tend to believe that the top GP MX2 guys are just as good as the top AMA MX2 guys. "Most" Americans don't.
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mx_563 6/8/2011 9:20am
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I expected to see Trey Canard listed. He should be healed by then. I say Dunge, RV and Trey.
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pilotdude 6/8/2011 9:26am
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pilotdude wrote:
Dungey MX 1/3 Tomac/Baggett/Barcia MX2 Villopoto MX 1/3 Alternate: Canard I find it interesting that virtually every non-U.S. fan picks Zach Osborne as the MX2 choice...
Dungey MX 1/3
Tomac/Baggett/Barcia MX2
Villopoto MX 1/3

Alternate: Canard

I find it interesting that virtually every non-U.S. fan picks Zach Osborne as the MX2 choice. Why is that?
Motocross83 wrote:
Because we tend to believe that the top GP MX2 guys are just as good as the top AMA MX2 guys. "Most" Americans don't.
Well if you think the top GPMX2 guys are "just as good" as the top AMA guys, why wouldn't there be a 50/50 split or something approaching it? No, almost ALL the non-U.S. fans go with the G.P. rider over AMA riders who are very arguably faster. You are talking about Barcia, 3rd year in the AMA outdoors and current East Coast 250f champion, and Tomac in his 2nd year and just a hair short of being West Coast 250f champion. Baggett has already won outdoor nationals THIS YEAR, yet virtually no non-U.S. fan picks any of those 3 riders....again very interesting.
Motocross83 6/8/2011 9:32am
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pilotdude wrote:
Dungey MX 1/3 Tomac/Baggett/Barcia MX2 Villopoto MX 1/3 Alternate: Canard I find it interesting that virtually every non-U.S. fan picks Zach Osborne as the MX2 choice...
Dungey MX 1/3
Tomac/Baggett/Barcia MX2
Villopoto MX 1/3

Alternate: Canard

I find it interesting that virtually every non-U.S. fan picks Zach Osborne as the MX2 choice. Why is that?
Motocross83 wrote:
Because we tend to believe that the top GP MX2 guys are just as good as the top AMA MX2 guys. "Most" Americans don't.
pilotdude wrote:
Well if you think the top GPMX2 guys are "just as good" as the top AMA guys, why wouldn't there be a 50/50 split or something...
Well if you think the top GPMX2 guys are "just as good" as the top AMA guys, why wouldn't there be a 50/50 split or something approaching it? No, almost ALL the non-U.S. fans go with the G.P. rider over AMA riders who are very arguably faster. You are talking about Barcia, 3rd year in the AMA outdoors and current East Coast 250f champion, and Tomac in his 2nd year and just a hair short of being West Coast 250f champion. Baggett has already won outdoor nationals THIS YEAR, yet virtually no non-U.S. fan picks any of those 3 riders....again very interesting.
I think it's probably due to Zach's performance in France.
He know's the track extremely well and seems to turn out good results on it.
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mccread 6/8/2011 11:54am
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Plus non of the American's in the AMA series are winning right now... and if they are they crash the next weekend ie Baggett.

Zach knows the track and is consistent. I would say it is between him and Tomac. they are doing similar in their respective series and both pretty consistent. Zach however has raced the track before and is fast there.. so he is proven already on that track.

Why is it a surprise that at this point people would choose the guy who is 4th in the world and just got second on the track as one of the main possibilites for mx2?!

Right now it would be

Dungey
RV
Osborne/Tomac
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Its really cool for me just to have my name brought up in this discussion. I'd love the spot. Its my biggest dream as a racer to represent the US at the nations. thanks guys!
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TDeath21 6/8/2011 1:41pm
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Let's be honest here and use Roczen as a yard stick. Roczen is dominating the GP. If he were in the states, he'd be a top guy battling for wins. No way would he be dominating like he is though. How many seconds does he consistently beat Zach by in the GP at every race? Now compare that with how he'd be doing in the states against Baggett, Barcia, and Tomac. Would he get wins in the states? Absolutely. Would he finish way ahead of every American in every race? No way. He wouldn't even beat them consistently in every race like he does to Zach in the GP.

A lot of people are getting caught up in the moment and picking Zach because he had a great ride at the track the Des Nations will be at in September. If you sit back and look at the big picture though, you'll see that there are other guys deserving of the ride.

Track experience shouldn't even be brought up as a reason to be picked for the Des Nations. These pros can learn a track so quickly that it will be a non factor. They'll have a track walk, practice, and qualifying before they get to the races that actually matter. That's plenty of time for a professional motocross racer to learn everything about a track and then some.

If the season goes on and Zach improves significantly and nobody in the states seems to stand out, then he should get serious consideration. If not, then he should ride for Team Puerto Rico and go out with a point to prove and beat the American MX2 rider. If he doesn't do that then Team USA will know they made the right choice.
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mccread 6/8/2011 2:14pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
Let's be honest here and use Roczen as a yard stick. Roczen is dominating the GP. If he were in the states, he'd be a top...
Let's be honest here and use Roczen as a yard stick. Roczen is dominating the GP. If he were in the states, he'd be a top guy battling for wins. No way would he be dominating like he is though. How many seconds does he consistently beat Zach by in the GP at every race? Now compare that with how he'd be doing in the states against Baggett, Barcia, and Tomac. Would he get wins in the states? Absolutely. Would he finish way ahead of every American in every race? No way. He wouldn't even beat them consistently in every race like he does to Zach in the GP.

A lot of people are getting caught up in the moment and picking Zach because he had a great ride at the track the Des Nations will be at in September. If you sit back and look at the big picture though, you'll see that there are other guys deserving of the ride.

Track experience shouldn't even be brought up as a reason to be picked for the Des Nations. These pros can learn a track so quickly that it will be a non factor. They'll have a track walk, practice, and qualifying before they get to the races that actually matter. That's plenty of time for a professional motocross racer to learn everything about a track and then some.

If the season goes on and Zach improves significantly and nobody in the states seems to stand out, then he should get serious consideration. If not, then he should ride for Team Puerto Rico and go out with a point to prove and beat the American MX2 rider. If he doesn't do that then Team USA will know they made the right choice.
you mean how would those guys do against Roczen in the GPs? that is the fair comparison.. and imo the results would be the same ... Roczen would be winning.... Herlings would be second imo. Both Roczen and Herlings have two GP wins this year so far btw.

Those US guys have only won one moto between them in their home country Wilson and Rattray have won the other motos. Osborne would be right there with Baggett Tomac and Barcia over a GP series imo. Zach has every right to be considered on a level with Baggett, Tomac, and Barcia.

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