How to fix MX vs ATV ALIVE. imho

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 5:42pm
Reflex was a huge leap considering all the MX/SX games that have ever been out.
I think they finally got on the right track after all the MX vs Whatever that had come out since MCM2. The graphics are simply awesome with an HD TV and an HDMI cable.
What I think they blow it on are trying for realism in certain aspects and nailing it dead on, but not even close others.
The opening sequence to a race where the camera pans across the start is awesome.
The riders look great, the gate area looks awesome, the camera dude walking back wards in a squatted position is really cool. It gets the gamer excited to do battle.
Other cool things are when the rider takes a look over his shoulder over a jump, or yanks a tear off. The riders body and bike look sick.
His style is very realistic. The wrist yanking the throttle, his feet up shifting etc. is also very cool.
These things should have remained in the new game. Why go back wards with the new game?

I don't mean to BASH these guys at all. I am thankfully for REFLEX! I love it and play it all the time with my kids. We have an absolute blast.
What I am trying to do here is list what I think would make this game completely awesome based on my own and a lot of friends opinions.
Since playing the very first video game back in the late 70's and remaining a gamer for 35+ years I guess I have strong opinions.
My opinion here is simply recognizing what video game companies have been shooting for on a whole since the beginning. And that is games with options.
Games that give the players more and more control over thier experience. It seems like the guys over at THQ are going back wards. They are taking options away from the gamer.
They have a great MX console game with REFLEX and with a little tweaking could cement it in history as the best ever.


So here is what I suggest.
1) The bike handling is very good. The need to be constantly feeding into the controls makes the game challenging and never gets boring. The double stick is ingenious.
Correcting the bikes attitude in the air upon landings, lining up sections all are done very well. Yes the bike is too light and floats around way too easily when contacted in the air.

2). Get the track pics correct while rifling through SX tracks. Two of them are swapped.

3). If you must have the slut with the fake boobs 2 feet from my nose allow us old fashioned conservative
dads with little kids and insecure wives to click past it taking us right to the 5 second rev before the gate drops.

4). Ad the option to set tourneys with points for single and multi-players sitting on the couch while offline.

5). Allow free ride every where in the game. You know how many countless hours people would love to hit the sides of all those big jumps in the SX tracks?
Also how cool it would be to set it on free ride (my version of free ride) and race each other going back wards on the tracks. Don't bother with a spline for AI.
Just free riding them backward would be a popcorn spilling blast.

6). Toggle the green arrow off or on option before a race.

7). Toggle the track break down off or on before a race.

8). A replay control menu. Record all or part of each race. Make the replays of the entire race available with VCR controls. Allowing the option to record practice (again my version of free ride)

9). A I riding characteristics should be consistent with the skill level. Rookie should be slow and sketchy like they are in the game. Amature drones should take you out more and be faster with false confidence.
Pro should be like it is now a nightmare back in the pack forcing you forward. All Time you should be able to attack the track with another drone side
by side for lap after lap going inside outside with out them turning right over a left berm putting you into orbit. That would be a blast.
When crashing going straight to the knocked out rag doll how about on the lighter wrecks have him still conscience. The player should have as much "power" as the drones.
Many a time a drone will take out the rider and when the rider remounts and returns for pay back he simply falls off the bike upon first contact. This happens over and over.
If you have the inside you should have the control in almost most every stuff or take out move.
When the rider crashes he needs to be reset where the bike comes to rest. Not back where he was separated from the bike.
How about the rider jumping to his feet, running over and kicking the bike back to life?

10). Old timers class with vintage bikes and riders

11). Returning to the track deal needs to be refined a little. When you crash or blow off the track you should be allowed to run down the
side of the track and re-enter for at least a few seconds just like in a real race. Yes if you use it to pass then dock the time or what have you.

12). The tuff blocks are a little too tuff. Making them part of the experience is a great idea. We do see racers struggle with them Like RV did this year
and missing a main. But how often does a rider slide up into a turn at 4 mph and hit one and do a front flip? Also if you put your front wheel against one and
pin it a modern 450 would not just sit there spinning the tire.

13). Test test and test!. On a couple tracks you can be well within the track and get counted back. Over the finish all the way to the right on the 3rd SX track will do this.


Marketing fopah
Instead of trying to dangle one hook out there promising the world, only to drop another one for more money and sell tracks later is lame.
Make the game right, give the gamers the best product and charge what it's worth. People are not stupid and are sick of getting jerked around as it is these days.
If each player doesn't have the same tracks then you will divide the online gamers right off the bat. Lame.

Also instead of trying to create a "coolness" about the game with the fake tits, the middle finger etc. How about sell the game on it's own awesome merits by making it an absolute blast.
less player limitations. More options and more realism. Sure this is a game and we all get that. But the people who play this are going to compare it to the actual deal just
like all other stick and ball and motor sports games. Come on THQ the market is ripe for this game.
We will pay the extra 20 or 30 bucks for the MX vs ATV Ultimate edition in a couple years when you get all this stuff figured out!
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5/12/2011 9:36am
Yeah I loved reflex also I was hoping they would just leave it alone and fix the small stuff work out the big things.
I am not trying to slam or make fun of anyone I will still play the heck out of the new game but I think they went backwards. Not as fun as reflex I dont think
5/12/2011 9:48am
Reflex is the best mx game i ever played, with a little tweek here and there game is perfect. Things that needed change would be crash sensitivity, add clutch use to it and this would be a perfect mx game. Hopefully next game would have a development more towards reflex way with a few minor adjustments. Alive well i just gave it away to my little nephew.
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5/12/2011 9:55am
cjg23307 wrote:
Yeah I loved reflex also I was hoping they would just leave it alone and fix the small stuff work out the big things. I am...
Yeah I loved reflex also I was hoping they would just leave it alone and fix the small stuff work out the big things.
I am not trying to slam or make fun of anyone I will still play the heck out of the new game but I think they went backwards. Not as fun as reflex I dont think
the problem is this, if they do that and just polish reflex and release it, you still have people bitching that they are grubbing for money by just updating the game. most of the people saying Alive sucks and Reflex is tits, are the same people that griped and bitched about Reflex.

i agree there are some things that need to be fixed and what not, but the game is 3 days old. it is just going through the motions, happens with every game ever released. i loved Reflex but perfect it was not. i love Alive but perfect it is not.
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5/12/2011 10:21am
1: Drop the taunts
2: Career mode where you work your way up from the pickup at the back of the pits to the factory rig.
3: An easy way to create a series or tournament for online play.
4: Best lap records that are accurate.
5: A better online experience in choosing tracks and competitors.

I could care less about real bikes although real tracks or at the very least real looking tracks (drop the snow covered mountain BS) would be nice. As far as cost, I bought my xbox just for this game and the same goes for my live membership. So saving me $20 on the upfront cost of the game doesn't mean shit to me. I'd pay $250 for a flawless version that was more realistically oriented.

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5/12/2011 11:36am
I think it'd be awesome to bring back all of the tracks from previous games as DLC.
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5/12/2011 11:39am
Rooster wrote:
1: Drop the taunts 2: Career mode where you work your way up from the pickup at the back of the pits to the factory rig...
1: Drop the taunts
2: Career mode where you work your way up from the pickup at the back of the pits to the factory rig.
3: An easy way to create a series or tournament for online play.
4: Best lap records that are accurate.
5: A better online experience in choosing tracks and competitors.

I could care less about real bikes although real tracks or at the very least real looking tracks (drop the snow covered mountain BS) would be nice. As far as cost, I bought my xbox just for this game and the same goes for my live membership. So saving me $20 on the upfront cost of the game doesn't mean shit to me. I'd pay $250 for a flawless version that was more realistically oriented.
I'm with Rooster.
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5/12/2011 11:41am
I would easily consider 20 or 30 bucks more for the game with these fixes. Plus I'd pay 5 bucks per track per year if they duplicated each sx and mx track for that year series. That's an extra 145 extra per year plus another 5 for the new October Monster round 150 bucks per willing customer per year? Re-reliease the game every 2 years with updates to riders, tweaks etc.
5/12/2011 11:50am
drop the taunts, scale the rider down just a tad. make him a little more stiff, and deal with it. the game rocks once you get a full mod 450 and all the tracks.
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drop the taunts, scale the rider down just a tad. make him a little more stiff, and deal with it. the game rocks once you get...
drop the taunts, scale the rider down just a tad. make him a little more stiff, and deal with it. the game rocks once you get a full mod 450 and all the tracks.
Why does it take that long to rock? It should rock right outta the box. I shouldn't have to dedicate a few hrs of my life to making it fun to play, isn't that the developers job?
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I like the game. I don't like it more than reflex... yet. I've unlocked the modded 450. It's good.

Honestly, the real trouble with the game is the grind to get to anything good. There are only 2 national tracks I really enjoy and they require level 25. The Stewart compound is great and I love the supercross.

Short tracks crossing each other is kinda lame. Arenacross tracks for these would be so much cooler. You'd get real close racing there as well.

All in all.. it has potential... will just have to see what they come up with for DLC.
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5/12/2011 12:37pm
I hope the DLC's aren't disappointing. But I won't be holding my breath.
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5/12/2011 12:38pm
I am hoping for they offer dlc of a cowboy hat and cowboy clothing. That way I can dress my rider like Woody from Toy Story since I'm pretty sure that's what they modeled the rider after.
5/12/2011 12:40pm
reded wrote:
Why does it take that long to rock? It should rock right outta the box. I shouldn't have to dedicate a few hrs of my life...
Why does it take that long to rock? It should rock right outta the box. I shouldn't have to dedicate a few hrs of my life to making it fun to play, isn't that the developers job?
you do make a good point. but its too late now.
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5/12/2011 12:48pm
cjg23307 wrote:
Yeah I loved reflex also I was hoping they would just leave it alone and fix the small stuff work out the big things. I am...
Yeah I loved reflex also I was hoping they would just leave it alone and fix the small stuff work out the big things.
I am not trying to slam or make fun of anyone I will still play the heck out of the new game but I think they went backwards. Not as fun as reflex I dont think
peelout wrote:
the problem is this, if they do that and just polish reflex and release it, you still have people bitching that they are grubbing for money...
the problem is this, if they do that and just polish reflex and release it, you still have people bitching that they are grubbing for money by just updating the game. most of the people saying Alive sucks and Reflex is tits, are the same people that griped and bitched about Reflex.

i agree there are some things that need to be fixed and what not, but the game is 3 days old. it is just going through the motions, happens with every game ever released. i loved Reflex but perfect it was not. i love Alive but perfect it is not.
I think what he means is, keep the same physics, riding styles, etc of reflex, and just fix the small problems the game had. Update it with new tracks, the real supercross series like they seem to be building up to in Alive, and the new bikes/gear they have in Alive...

I would have paid the full $60 for Reflex with the little problems fixed, new tracks, gear, bikes, etc. It wouldnt just be an updated game. It would be completely new, just keep the physics of reflex.

I'm not level 39 on Alive, and the game is still horrible. I have already went back to playing Reflex. Alive, my opinion was a huge fail on THQ's part. Reflex was much better, i never had problems with crashing. If people are crashing that often, then maybe they just arent good at the game.
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drop the taunts, scale the rider down just a tad. make him a little more stiff, and deal with it. the game rocks once you get...
drop the taunts, scale the rider down just a tad. make him a little more stiff, and deal with it. the game rocks once you get a full mod 450 and all the tracks.
reded wrote:
Why does it take that long to rock? It should rock right outta the box. I shouldn't have to dedicate a few hrs of my life...
Why does it take that long to rock? It should rock right outta the box. I shouldn't have to dedicate a few hrs of my life to making it fun to play, isn't that the developers job?
X100000000. Some people just dont get it. I dont want to pay $40 for a game, spend 5 hours playing it, THEN it gets fun? after ive beat everything there is to beat? LAME
5/12/2011 1:19pm
Get rid of the taunt... its stupid, at least make it an option to turn it off. I like Reflex, I didnt have too many complaints except for the online bugs and the lack on DLC. You guys are a major sponsor of the sx series yet you provide no sx. wtf thq? I know you are listening. i have a ps3 so no stewart compound yet.
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5/12/2011 1:40pm
The PSN being down makes the release even more of a failure IMO. The only SX available to PS3 owners is the SX style sections in the MX tracks. And that is quite ridiculous too.
5/12/2011 1:44pm Edited Date/Time 5/12/2011 1:45pm
If your complaining about the taunts just get the holeshot and check out or stfu! Id rather have them work on better tracks or something
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5/12/2011 1:55pm
i wish PS3 owners could get the Stewart compound via say Mx Vs Atv website? that would be cool, picking up my copy at lunch time today!
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Everyone who keeps saying they don't want to have to work for the good stuff aren't very experienced gamers in my opinion. You dont start off with the best guns/perks in CoD, you have o work for them. Working for the bikes and the tracks isn't a big deal, it gives you time to get a feel for the game. This is ow MOST games work. On a side note, there is a career/story to the game. You start out as nobody, get noticed, get parts and gear. All with JS7 saying he will help you at the start, some in between stuff, then says your pretty much a pro and he won't take it easy on you when you make it. It's weak, but it's there.

P.s. The whips look better in Alive. I don't understand why some people can't throw them, because mine are looking good.
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5/12/2011 2:10pm
I only played once so far last night and DID start to have fun but on my short list:

-wish I could whip the bike like reflex
-automatic taunts are super dumb
-not a super fan of the figure 8 style short courses where you run into each other derby style.
- no 250 2strokes!? Smile
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5/12/2011 2:16pm Edited Date/Time 5/12/2011 2:18pm
How to fix MX vs ATV ALIVE?

Turf it like Windows Millennium. At least Microsoft admitted they stuffed up. S#*t does happen.

Get Reflex and make a second edition.

They did it with Need for Speed II with need for speed II S.E

My ultimate game would be

Reflex with

Updated Collision system.

Tweaked physics half way between reflex and alive.

12 x round MX championship. With tracks with no snow. they dont have to be exact replica tracks just have the correct name and order. and maybe make Southwick a sand track, big jump at redbud etc

16 x round SX Championship with correct locations in order of series. ie stating with A1. They dont have to be replica tracks just have the correct name and order.

They obviously spent racks of time on reflex compared to alive so it would make good economic sense to bring out a second edition. Rather than starting from scratch.
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MAD SKILLS MX on my phone has more Bike Control!!!!! Unbeliveable how a company ask for our opinions on how to make the new Game BETTER. And After a year of everyone telling them how to do it. They do the exact opposite...........
I don't think i ever saw one person suggest that it was a good idea to throw taunts in. and not be able to bring a whip back...Just saying
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5/12/2011 2:53pm
anybody saying they can't whip is either

A. full of shit

or

B. horrible at the game.

i'm throwing some sick whips, can i whip or mega scrub off evey little 2 foot kicker like i can in reflex? no. but can i in real life? no.
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That's good to hear on whipping. I can whip it off big jumps but even medium jumps the whip starts off so slow it is times strange. I just need to play more before I know all the ins n outs....I also hate casing all the big jumps on this damn 125! haha, they are going to make kids hate 125s after playing this game.
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seth505 wrote:
That's good to hear on whipping. I can whip it off big jumps but even medium jumps the whip starts off so slow it is times...
That's good to hear on whipping. I can whip it off big jumps but even medium jumps the whip starts off so slow it is times strange. I just need to play more before I know all the ins n outs....I also hate casing all the big jumps on this damn 125! haha, they are going to make kids hate 125s after playing this game.
some of the fastest times on all the tracks are with 125's.

my fastest time on 45 Palms was a 57 for a few days on a 125. i finally beat that on a 250f with a high 55.

the thing is, this isn't reflex and we can't scrub/whip every single jump and bump. everyone trying to scrub every jump on the track are annoyed because that is no longer possible. the jumps that it is possible, the scrubs are awesome and the whips are bubba-esque
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5/12/2011 3:36pm
Best way to fix this whole situation is to make the download content for Reflex and dump this piece of shit game.

And am I the only one that is pissed about not being able to tap the brakes in the air to bring the front wheel down?
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5/12/2011 3:47pm
mxjef wrote:
Best way to fix this whole situation is to make the download content for Reflex and dump this piece of shit game. And am I the...
Best way to fix this whole situation is to make the download content for Reflex and dump this piece of shit game.

And am I the only one that is pissed about not being able to tap the brakes in the air to bring the front wheel down?
Right there with ya! The physics in Alive are way too Rigid... The Bike goes left to Right and Up and Down, it's not fluid! Why is there Jumps right out of Corners and he goes 50 feet in the air and still doesn't clear them?? A lot of the Corners are tight and you cant get any momentum out of them... I'm on level 35 now and nothing has gotten better in my opinion!
5/25/2011 2:17pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2011 2:22pm
hi, i got mx vs atv reflex and it is a very good game i typed in the code correctly and downloaded motoclub pro and stewart compound but when i go to events nothing is there at all this is really annoying can someone help please. i pay £39 quid for nothing but trouble ive been trying to get stewart compound for days please please someone tell me how to get it ive done everything right typed in correct code and downloaded motoclub pro just still nothing there HHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hi, i got mx vs atv reflex and it is a very good game i typed in the code correctly and downloaded motoclub pro and stewart...
hi, i got mx vs atv reflex and it is a very good game i typed in the code correctly and downloaded motoclub pro and stewart compound but when i go to events nothing is there at all this is really annoying can someone help please. i pay £39 quid for nothing but trouble ive been trying to get stewart compound for days please please someone tell me how to get it ive done everything right typed in correct code and downloaded motoclub pro just still nothing there HHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just because you entered the code to get the Motoclub downloaded, doesn't mean you downloaded the compound.


go to Downloadable Content in the game.

go to Events.

Download the Stewart Compound. it should show it as costing 0 credits.

wait for it to download, then play the shit out of it.

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