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captmoto
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Pool filters. I have a Hayward cartridge system. I don't want to dump money into a DE system so looking for help. I live in a severe wind tunnel. cleaning filters is a pain in the ass. For locals, I live below Cajon Pass. My filters take a beating here so I'm looking for a recommendation or vendor for a filter I can get some time out of. Is the genuine Hayward the best way to go? They are about $500 a set. By cheap China crap and replace every year? What are you guys using?

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10/5/2023 12:18pm

Who are you buying through? That you are getting that price?

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My new pentair pump has destroyed 2 filter cartridge internal cages. I mean just collapsed them in. The plastic is so hard it doesn't seem possible but happened twice since I started using the cheap lowes $100 filter.  I keep it pretty clean and no one has swam in a long time so it stays clear.  Back to Amazon filters. 

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10/5/2023 2:52pm Edited Date/Time 10/5/2023 3:10pm

What model Hayward filter do you have ?  I'll see what I can get you a set for.  A DE filter can be backwashed periodically so you don't have to take them apart as often, but like everything else the cost has gone way up since covid.  Plus you need a backwash valve and a P-trap or someplace else to dump the waste water.  I "Might" be able to get them delivered, depends on if you're within the local wholesale warehouses delivery range. Let me know what filter you have, I'll tell what I can do, and if it works we'll figure it out through pm's.  This is a brutal year for algae and debris, the trees and bushes are loving the wet winter and high humidity and are growing like crazy.    

An extra set helps ease the pain a little bit, at least then you can swap them out fairly quick,  then wash them off another day before the next swap. Changing them out is easy, cleaning the dumb things is what takes the time.  

 

Pleatco makes the cartridges for Hayward,  Unicell's are pretty good too, and another company called Filbur makes them too. I see them super cheap online, not sure what or where those are made, but those are the main ones they sell through the pool distributers

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sumdood wrote:
What model Hayward filter do you have ?  I'll see what I can get you a set for.  A DE filter can be backwashed periodically so...

What model Hayward filter do you have ?  I'll see what I can get you a set for.  A DE filter can be backwashed periodically so you don't have to take them apart as often, but like everything else the cost has gone way up since covid.  Plus you need a backwash valve and a P-trap or someplace else to dump the waste water.  I "Might" be able to get them delivered, depends on if you're within the local wholesale warehouses delivery range. Let me know what filter you have, I'll tell what I can do, and if it works we'll figure it out through pm's.  This is a brutal year for algae and debris, the trees and bushes are loving the wet winter and high humidity and are growing like crazy.    

An extra set helps ease the pain a little bit, at least then you can swap them out fairly quick,  then wash them off another day before the next swap. Changing them out is easy, cleaning the dumb things is what takes the time.  

 

Pleatco makes the cartridges for Hayward,  Unicell's are pretty good too, and another company called Filbur makes them too. I see them super cheap online, not sure what or where those are made, but those are the main ones they sell through the pool distributers

Excellent that you're taking care of that. We have an acct with scp also and I would have tried to source him a filter for cheaper. Obviously you know what the hell you're doing as opposed to me knowing nothing about it. So it's way better that you're helping.

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10/5/2023 3:13pm
sumdood wrote:
What model Hayward filter do you have ?  I'll see what I can get you a set for.  A DE filter can be backwashed periodically so...

What model Hayward filter do you have ?  I'll see what I can get you a set for.  A DE filter can be backwashed periodically so you don't have to take them apart as often, but like everything else the cost has gone way up since covid.  Plus you need a backwash valve and a P-trap or someplace else to dump the waste water.  I "Might" be able to get them delivered, depends on if you're within the local wholesale warehouses delivery range. Let me know what filter you have, I'll tell what I can do, and if it works we'll figure it out through pm's.  This is a brutal year for algae and debris, the trees and bushes are loving the wet winter and high humidity and are growing like crazy.    

An extra set helps ease the pain a little bit, at least then you can swap them out fairly quick,  then wash them off another day before the next swap. Changing them out is easy, cleaning the dumb things is what takes the time.  

 

Pleatco makes the cartridges for Hayward,  Unicell's are pretty good too, and another company called Filbur makes them too. I see them super cheap online, not sure what or where those are made, but those are the main ones they sell through the pool distributers

"Unicell's are pretty good too" We get the best life out of the Unicell. However SCP (distributor we have an acct with) doesn't stock them anymore. It's always "special order". I don't think their profit margin is as high on Unicell. So we typically have to wait for them about a week after we order. But that's the only brand we use anymore.

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10/5/2023 5:41pm
sumdood wrote:
What model Hayward filter do you have ?  I'll see what I can get you a set for.  A DE filter can be backwashed periodically so...

What model Hayward filter do you have ?  I'll see what I can get you a set for.  A DE filter can be backwashed periodically so you don't have to take them apart as often, but like everything else the cost has gone way up since covid.  Plus you need a backwash valve and a P-trap or someplace else to dump the waste water.  I "Might" be able to get them delivered, depends on if you're within the local wholesale warehouses delivery range. Let me know what filter you have, I'll tell what I can do, and if it works we'll figure it out through pm's.  This is a brutal year for algae and debris, the trees and bushes are loving the wet winter and high humidity and are growing like crazy.    

An extra set helps ease the pain a little bit, at least then you can swap them out fairly quick,  then wash them off another day before the next swap. Changing them out is easy, cleaning the dumb things is what takes the time.  

 

Pleatco makes the cartridges for Hayward,  Unicell's are pretty good too, and another company called Filbur makes them too. I see them super cheap online, not sure what or where those are made, but those are the main ones they sell through the pool distributers

I use a Pleatco PA137. If that is a decent go to I guess I'll stay with that. The price for those is tolerable. I have a set of ebay filters that are complete crap. I have been battling algae all summer. We got our first Santa Ana today so I've got some leaves. When we get a bad one I get shit in my pool from trees I don't even recognize and it takes days to get all the crap out. This year has been a real battle. I think it's too late to retro a DE system in, I'd have to run a hose out almost 100' to the street and I don't think thats allowed anymore.

captmoto
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10/5/2023 5:53pm
ToolMaker wrote:

Who are you buying through? That you are getting that price?

Walk in to any pool supply and a Hayward filter is $125, online I see right about $400 delivered.

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10/5/2023 5:59pm

I'm going to thumbs up Sumdood and I don't even have a pool.

Props brother for trying to help a brother out. 

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10/5/2023 10:43pm Edited Date/Time 10/5/2023 11:05pm
captmoto wrote:
I use a Pleatco PA137. If that is a decent go to I guess I'll stay with that. The price for those is tolerable. I have...

I use a Pleatco PA137. If that is a decent go to I guess I'll stay with that. The price for those is tolerable. I have a set of ebay filters that are complete crap. I have been battling algae all summer. We got our first Santa Ana today so I've got some leaves. When we get a bad one I get shit in my pool from trees I don't even recognize and it takes days to get all the crap out. This year has been a real battle. I think it's too late to retro a DE system in, I'd have to run a hose out almost 100' to the street and I don't think thats allowed anymore.

It looks like a Uni-cell C 7490 is the equivalent of the Pleatco PA137, I'll get a price tomorrow for each just to see. You need 4 correct ? What model and sq. ft.  Hayward filter ?  

 

And yes this year is gnarly for algae.  We've been having good luck with getting the phosphate levels zero'ed out. Then using a 1/2 cap of sodium bromide (Yellow treat) and 1-2 ounces of phosphate remover (Orenda PR10K) each stop.  Chlorine 2.0, PH 7-6, Alkalinity around 90, and 40-50 ppm cyanuric acid (aka stabilizer or conditioner) no higher than 50 on the conditioner. The yellow treat uses up chlorine so make sure you're at 2.0 or higher before you add that and just a 1/2 cap  The phosphate remover must be made with cocaine gold and diamonds because it's north of $100' a gallon, but it lasts awhile at 1-2 oz per week and fuck scrubbing algae. Then obviously a clean filter and run it enough to turn over at least 75% of the water. 100% is ideal but good luck getting the average pool owner to do that. The customers with solar electric system pools look great because they're not out there turning shit down to save electricity, they just let us set it up and don't worry about it.  

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10/6/2023 9:43am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2023 9:51am

Okaaaaayy good morning.  The unicell  C7490 is 5 bucks more than the pleatco PA137.  I "should" be able to get them to your house depending on how far out in the boonies you are Laughing, not sure if there's a fee to transfer them to the branch near you and or any shipping (there usually isn't)  Costwise they're right around 100 bucks. (I'm not trying to make money on these) Don't blab that price to anyone cause that's our cost.  Let me know if you want to do that and will figure out the details in pm's.  Ask for the cool guy motohead brotherhood discount LOL.  

 

EDIT  !!  Well fuck me I guess freaking Amazon has them for cheaper than I can get them for, fucking internet man welcome to my world Laughing

https://vminnovations.com/products/unicel-c-7490-hayward-replacement-sw…

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captmoto
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10/7/2023 11:14pm
captmoto wrote:
I use a Pleatco PA137. If that is a decent go to I guess I'll stay with that. The price for those is tolerable. I have...

I use a Pleatco PA137. If that is a decent go to I guess I'll stay with that. The price for those is tolerable. I have a set of ebay filters that are complete crap. I have been battling algae all summer. We got our first Santa Ana today so I've got some leaves. When we get a bad one I get shit in my pool from trees I don't even recognize and it takes days to get all the crap out. This year has been a real battle. I think it's too late to retro a DE system in, I'd have to run a hose out almost 100' to the street and I don't think thats allowed anymore.

sumdood wrote:
It looks like a Uni-cell C 7490 is the equivalent of the Pleatco PA137, I'll get a price tomorrow for each just to see. You need...

It looks like a Uni-cell C 7490 is the equivalent of the Pleatco PA137, I'll get a price tomorrow for each just to see. You need 4 correct ? What model and sq. ft.  Hayward filter ?  

 

And yes this year is gnarly for algae.  We've been having good luck with getting the phosphate levels zero'ed out. Then using a 1/2 cap of sodium bromide (Yellow treat) and 1-2 ounces of phosphate remover (Orenda PR10K) each stop.  Chlorine 2.0, PH 7-6, Alkalinity around 90, and 40-50 ppm cyanuric acid (aka stabilizer or conditioner) no higher than 50 on the conditioner. The yellow treat uses up chlorine so make sure you're at 2.0 or higher before you add that and just a 1/2 cap  The phosphate remover must be made with cocaine gold and diamonds because it's north of $100' a gallon, but it lasts awhile at 1-2 oz per week and fuck scrubbing algae. Then obviously a clean filter and run it enough to turn over at least 75% of the water. 100% is ideal but good luck getting the average pool owner to do that. The customers with solar electric system pools look great because they're not out there turning shit down to save electricity, they just let us set it up and don't worry about it.  

Yeah, I did pretty much all that, agree with the phosphate treat but lucky for me with the rain we had this year I was able to drain enough water to get my phosphates way down and my TDS down to 1600. I was going to do a partial drain and refill anyway but mother nature hooked me up. Thanks for all your input about chemicals and filters.  

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