Why didn't STAR backfill Eli's ride?

With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?

 

Even if it was just to help Dylan out with bike development?

 

they seem to have  an endless budget?

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6/7/2023 6:48pm
With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?   Even if it was just to help Dylan...

With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?

 

Even if it was just to help Dylan out with bike development?

 

they seem to have  an endless budget?

Like who. 

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6/7/2023 6:50pm

They were trying to ask you but you left them on read. 

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6/7/2023 6:50pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2023 6:53pm
With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?   Even if it was just to help Dylan...

With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?

 

Even if it was just to help Dylan out with bike development?

 

they seem to have  an endless budget?

mxb2 wrote:

Like who. 

jose butron...............the dude kicksssssss ass!     Whistling

 

seriously anyone from 6th -15th is worth a shot ..even if its to help bike development........

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Probably because there's no contractual requirement from their sponsors. Why spend money on a fill in rider if you're not required to?

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6/7/2023 6:59pm
Sully wrote:

Probably because there's no contractual requirement from their sponsors. Why spend money on a fill in rider if you're not required to?

perhaps but then why the need to have 17  250 riders?

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Sully wrote:

Probably because there's no contractual requirement from their sponsors. Why spend money on a fill in rider if you're not required to?

perhaps but then why the need to have 17  250 riders?

Way cheaper. Than ferrandis and tomac

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They're saving the money so they can have Eli and Webb on the team next season.

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The 250 and 450 program are very different over there. Different managers, different expectations. The 450 program is in the business of wins, podiums and titles. They aren't in the business of getting 10th. 

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With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?   Even if it was just to help Dylan...

With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?

 

Even if it was just to help Dylan out with bike development?

 

they seem to have  an endless budget?

You think grant Harlan can help develop a factory bike for ferrandis? It would take him a year to understand how a factory team/ bike fully operates. Let alone actually trying to develop the bike. 
 

it’s not worth the money and time for these teams. 

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With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?   Even if it was just to help Dylan...

With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?

 

Even if it was just to help Dylan out with bike development?

 

they seem to have  an endless budget?

Renner153 wrote:
You think grant Harlan can help develop a factory bike for ferrandis? It would take him a year to understand how a factory team/ bike fully...

You think grant Harlan can help develop a factory bike for ferrandis? It would take him a year to understand how a factory team/ bike fully operates. Let alone actually trying to develop the bike. 
 

it’s not worth the money and time for these teams. 

Bingo.  

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6/7/2023 7:41pm

Backfill? Lol like why didn’t Bobby call the temp service and ask for a person to show up Monday morning 😂😂😂

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6/7/2023 9:11pm
With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?   Even if it was just to help Dylan...

With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?

 

Even if it was just to help Dylan out with bike development?

 

they seem to have  an endless budget?

Renner153 wrote:
You think grant Harlan can help develop a factory bike for ferrandis? It would take him a year to understand how a factory team/ bike fully...

You think grant Harlan can help develop a factory bike for ferrandis? It would take him a year to understand how a factory team/ bike fully operates. Let alone actually trying to develop the bike. 
 

it’s not worth the money and time for these teams. 

mxb2 wrote:

Bingo.  

you may be selling him (as an example ) short..............not like he's jumping on a quad bike.........some of the quickest riders are still lousy at setup/development!

 

i guess HRC took a different view with putting colt in the mix indoors (notwithstanding he was a lites champ)..

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6/7/2023 10:16pm
yak651 wrote:

Backfill? Lol like why didn’t Bobby call the temp service and ask for a person to show up Monday morning 😂😂😂

well he could call the euro dude that recommended him Farres?

i'm sure there are more diamonds in the rough.

or craig dack here in Oz for a solid 450 guy?

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6/7/2023 10:36pm
With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?   Even if it was just to help Dylan...

With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?

 

Even if it was just to help Dylan out with bike development?

 

they seem to have  an endless budget?

mxb2 wrote:

Like who. 

jose butron...............the dude kicksssssss ass!        seriously anyone from 6th -15th is worth a shot ..even if its to help bike development........

jose butron...............the dude kicksssssss ass!     Whistling

 

seriously anyone from 6th -15th is worth a shot ..even if its to help bike development........

Anyone who is 6-15 is what, at least 1 minute off the pace?

What would the strategy be?

Get a good start and then block them when they pass. When you get lapped block some more. Don’t block 14. 

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Hell, if they did need a fill in guy, why look outside the team? The 450 class is so beat up right now they could move a guy like Jordon Smith up and he would do just fine.

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Sully wrote:
Hell, if they did need a fill in guy, why look outside the team? The 450 class is so beat up right now they could move...

Hell, if they did need a fill in guy, why look outside the team? The 450 class is so beat up right now they could move a guy like Jordon Smith up and he would do just fine.

I agree on that, Smith or Kitchen could do top 5's and gain experience on the big bike while also contributing to develop it, that would not be a bad move.  

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6/8/2023 12:45am Edited Date/Time 6/9/2023 2:23am
With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?   Even if it was just to help Dylan...

With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?

 

Even if it was just to help Dylan out with bike development?

 

they seem to have  an endless budget?

mxb2 wrote:

Like who. 

Aaron Tanti would have been perfect or Dean Ferris round 2. 
 

….yes I know Tanti is WSX. 

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6/8/2023 12:59am

Fair question. 
 

In this situation it’s not about getting a great result. There would be a lot of ‘eyes’ on the products and sponsor logos if the team selected the right rider. A fan favourite, a privateer, an underdog. Someone the fans think is cool to follow. 
Even someone like RV2, or Chad Reed- we know they won’t win, or even top 5-10, but the fans would love it and people all over the globe would be excited to see it. 

Arguably more exciting than watching Jett run away with it as he is..

Succesfully Promoting a product/sponsors is far more than just winning.

 

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6/8/2023 3:15am

They should’ve moved J Coop up to 450s full time this year. Even if he pulls off the 250 outdoor title, the vibe from everyone will be “bout time”. If he was in 450 I think he would be at least the 2nd fastest guy out there and the hype would be unreal, just like it is for Jett. There’s a big hole in the 450 class right now, guys like J Coop could’ve filled that, instead he’s still on a 250 dealing with crazy 17 year olds.

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MX Guy wrote:
The 250 and 450 program are very different over there. Different managers, different expectations. The 450 program is in the business of wins, podiums and titles...

The 250 and 450 program are very different over there. Different managers, different expectations. The 450 program is in the business of wins, podiums and titles. They aren't in the business of getting 10th. 

2 different teams, Bobby has no involvement with the 450 team, that’s just Brad and Coker. The 3 of them own the 250 team. 

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Sully wrote:
Hell, if they did need a fill in guy, why look outside the team? The 450 class is so beat up right now they could move...

Hell, if they did need a fill in guy, why look outside the team? The 450 class is so beat up right now they could move a guy like Jordon Smith up and he would do just fine.

I agree that jumping Smith up would've been cool. Seems the most logical to me.

Cooper jumping up in theory makes sense, like Creature said above. But then it just makes how this whole year was handled, look silly. Having him on a few 450 SX races, then sending him home to test for Outdoors on the 250, only to bring him up to a 450, just seems like a PR disaster. Plus, at the end of the day, Star wants a 250 title, so I'm sure that's more important to them than him getting 4-5th in 450s.

6/8/2023 4:58am

Hell, Even Deegan on a 450 would be one hell of a spectacle! 

Who wouldn't tune in to see that??

(That said, HD has a legit chance at the 250 title IMO, and he wouldn't have a legit chance at the 450 title this year)

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With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?   Even if it was just to help Dylan...

With a plethora of hungry (even starving) privateers out there .............any reason STAR didn't fill the seat?

 

Even if it was just to help Dylan out with bike development?

 

they seem to have  an endless budget?

mxb2 wrote:

Like who. 

jose butron...............the dude kicksssssss ass!        seriously anyone from 6th -15th is worth a shot ..even if its to help bike development........

jose butron...............the dude kicksssssss ass!     Whistling

 

seriously anyone from 6th -15th is worth a shot ..even if its to help bike development........

I doubt they’d learn much about the bike (from what would normally be a 15th or worse rider) that they could apply to a top-tier rider’s bike. Speeds are radically different, along with a number of other factors. 

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6/8/2023 5:43am

None of the riders who arent hurt can win and star has no interest in hiring someone with zero chance of winning

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6/8/2023 8:37am
mxb2 wrote:

Like who. 

I think Masterpool could get in the top 5 on that bike, but I think that bridge is burn't

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6/8/2023 9:14am
mxb2 wrote:

Like who. 

scootch wrote:

I think Masterpool could get in the top 5 on that bike, but I think that bridge is burn't

Yea, i think so also. Lol. 

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Hell, Even Deegan on a 450 would be one hell of a spectacle!  Who wouldn't tune in to see that?? (That said, HD has a legit...

Hell, Even Deegan on a 450 would be one hell of a spectacle! 

Who wouldn't tune in to see that??

(That said, HD has a legit chance at the 250 title IMO, and he wouldn't have a legit chance at the 450 title this year)

Dad wouldn't allow it I  assume. 

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6/8/2023 10:54am
Hell, Even Deegan on a 450 would be one hell of a spectacle!  Who wouldn't tune in to see that?? (That said, HD has a legit...

Hell, Even Deegan on a 450 would be one hell of a spectacle! 

Who wouldn't tune in to see that??

(That said, HD has a legit chance at the 250 title IMO, and he wouldn't have a legit chance at the 450 title this year)

BobbyMyers wrote:

Dad wouldn't allow it I  assume. 

Need to be 18 and have graduated high school to race a 450 at the pro nationals. 

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6/8/2023 10:56am

at this rate, they'd have to give my goon ass a call. 

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6/8/2023 11:44am

If there's no chance at winning it's worse than a waste of money. You spend the money and damage the brand.

You have to have a reasonable chance of bettering the brand. And bettering the brand does not mean winning, there are development advantages but, there has to e a value. And literally what is the value? To see another blue bike on the track?

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