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2/23/2018 12:04 PM

Hi Guys,
i´m from germany me and my girlfriend want start Mx. I have ha Downhill background and racing on the circuit with my street triple r. My girlfriend never rode an Motorbike before, she´s an absolute begiiner with the clutch. I want buy our first mx , we will use it the first months together. I can´t decide if i will buy 125 stroke or 250f.
I can rebuild and service 2s and 4s by myself. In germany their is no really price difference between 125 2s and 250f.
I will post an link you can see prices in Euro.
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/search.html?categories=DirtBike&categories=EnduroAndTouringEnduro&categories=RallyAndCross&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&isSearchRequest=true&makeModelVariant1.makeId=26000&makeModelVariant1.modelDescription=yz+125&makeModelVariant2.makeId=13100&makeModelVariant2.modelDescription=kxf+250&makeModelVariant3.makeId=13900&makeModelVariant3.modelDescription=sx+125&minFirstRegistrationDate=2006-01-01&scopeId=MB&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING

I wanted yz125 but they are really expensive in germany. I read that the ktm 125 sx has bad suspension until modelyear 2016.
Is the 125 to hard for my girlfriend, im a bit scared that she cant drive it because of the Powerband.

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2/23/2018 3:59 PM

The 250f or other smaller 4 stroke would be better suited for her. As you have stated, the 2 stroke power hit will be hard for her to handle as a newbe.

Paw Paw

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2/23/2018 4:40 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/23/2018 4:43 PM

Paw Paw 271 wrote:

The 250f or other smaller 4 stroke would be better suited for her. As you have stated, the 2 stroke power hit will be hard for her to handle as a newbe.

Paw Paw

125 with a flywheel weight and a maybe 2 tooth smaller rear sprocket i think would be fine. The 250f is gunna weigh too much and if she falls over and you arnt near that alone will help. Plus a good rider can rip a 125. I have 2 and 4 strokes so no bias here.

*edit. I didnt mean to quote you paw paw, my bad. Meant to quote OP.

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2/23/2018 9:01 PM

Paw Paw 271 wrote:

The 250f or other smaller 4 stroke would be better suited for her. As you have stated, the 2 stroke power hit will be hard for her to handle as a newbe.

Paw Paw

dirtmike86 wrote:

125 with a flywheel weight and a maybe 2 tooth smaller rear sprocket i think would be fine. The 250f is gunna weigh too much and if she falls over and you arnt near that alone will help. Plus a good rider can rip a 125. I have 2 and 4 strokes so no bias here.

*edit. I didnt mean to quote you paw paw, my bad. Meant to quote OP.

Hi, thx for reply. Her Height is 5.35" an she weight 112lbs. cause of the nearly 20pound difference between 125 and 250f i was thinking the same. I think the benefit of the 250f would be she can drive it more lazy without shifting as much. the 125 need shifting whole Time and keeping high revs, maybe it's to much for her and she can't focus on driving. I'm a bit scared about the gearbox will break. she is an absolute newbie i can Imagine a Lot of misshifts from her. hard deciscion ,with the250f i think she can more focus in actually driving instead of focus on keeping the125 alive. sry for my english,i hate my german keyboard on my samsung s8

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2/23/2018 9:58 PM

150f is the only way to go for an absolute newbie, especially one that only weight 110lbs.

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2/23/2018 10:23 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/23/2018 11:14 PM

KooyaKooya wrote:

150f is the only way to go for an absolute newbie, especially one that only weight 110lbs.

i thought about the 150f too, maybe the 150f is to small for me to ride? I'm 5'8 and 154lbs. what is with a 85? like ktm sx 85,I can get cheap 85er in Germany, the crf 150f will cost me more than 1k more. is an 85er with big wheel big enough for me? the 85 I can buy ride and sell this year without any loss. maybe my girlfriend will be after a few months strong enough for the 125 or the 250f. I want that she doing some strength workout, especially lower back

does the 24hp from the 150f satisfy for an longer time? can I carry enough speed for big doubles? I jump regularly 4-10m doubles with my downhillbike on my local trails, I expect that I will jump farther with an mx.

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2/24/2018 12:51 AM

KooyaKooya wrote:

150f is the only way to go for an absolute newbie, especially one that only weight 110lbs.

Crxtuner wrote:

i thought about the 150f too, maybe the 150f is to small for me to ride? I'm 5'8 and 154lbs. what is with a 85? like ktm sx 85,I can get cheap 85er in Germany, the crf 150f will cost me more than 1k more. is an 85er with big wheel big enough for me? the 85 I can buy ride and sell this year without any loss. maybe my girlfriend will be after a few months strong enough for the 125 or the 250f. I want that she doing some strength workout, especially lower back

does the 24hp from the 150f satisfy for an longer time? can I carry enough speed for big doubles? I jump regularly 4-10m doubles with my downhillbike on my local trails, I expect that I will jump farther with an mx.

Had the same with my gf.. bought her a cr85 big wheel 2007( 169cm and 56kilo) For a newbie that's the only safe way to go. Don't forget that those 85's still running pretty hard for a little bike. Easy to handle, easy to work on and most fun of it to ride with it.. She just loves it to ride it on the track. For you, just get a 125 so the both of you have a bike to enjoy the ride with it. Forget the 4 strokes, stick with the smokers if you ride for fun.

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2/24/2018 1:03 AM

I say get a trail bike to learn on first. I got my wife a TTR 225 to learn on. It’s got a low seat height and a decent pull but not scary. She’s pretty confident on it now and wants 125.

They hold their resale value really well so you can sell it for what you paid or even more a year down the line.

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2/24/2018 1:03 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/24/2018 1:09 PM

KooyaKooya wrote:

150f is the only way to go for an absolute newbie, especially one that only weight 110lbs.

Crxtuner wrote:

i thought about the 150f too, maybe the 150f is to small for me to ride? I'm 5'8 and 154lbs. what is with a 85? like ktm sx 85,I can get cheap 85er in Germany, the crf 150f will cost me more than 1k more. is an 85er with big wheel big enough for me? the 85 I can buy ride and sell this year without any loss. maybe my girlfriend will be after a few months strong enough for the 125 or the 250f. I want that she doing some strength workout, especially lower back

does the 24hp from the 150f satisfy for an longer time? can I carry enough speed for big doubles? I jump regularly 4-10m doubles with my downhillbike on my local trails, I expect that I will jump farther with an mx.

r18b wrote:

Had the same with my gf.. bought her a cr85 big wheel 2007( 169cm and 56kilo) For a newbie that's the only safe way to go. Don't forget that those 85's still running pretty hard for a little bike. Easy to handle, easy to work on and most fun of it to ride with it.. She just loves it to ride it on the track. For you, just get a 125 so the both of you have a bike to enjoy the ride with it. Forget the 4 strokes, stick with the smokers if you ride for fun.

Hi , do you think i can ride the 85 too with my 70kg for a few month until i bought another bike because i want yz 125 for me, but in germany theý are a bit rare? I woul leave big jumps out with the 85.

my gf loves when i pull hard on my street triple r and corner hard same with my honda crx with b18swap. She love´s speed. I hope the 85 will last her long enough, but i think it will , they´re light and powerfull.

The Ktm sx125 has bad suspension? Because in Germany we have many cheap sx 125 (newer models too) its the opposite of the yz 125. Suspension is everything for me, i will 100% prefer handling over power, but if i can mod the sx suspension cheap, maybe i will try it.

@calcoast

I´m sry in germany dont exist the ttr 225, only old ttr 600 and ttr 100e 2018 models.

Would the crf 150r or any 85 be better for her/us? I can rebuild and service 4stroke by myself.

I saw some videos of the crf 150 and i must say i like it

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2/24/2018 1:54 PM

Crxtuner wrote:

i thought about the 150f too, maybe the 150f is to small for me to ride? I'm 5'8 and 154lbs. what is with a 85? like ktm sx 85,I can get cheap 85er in Germany, the crf 150f will cost me more than 1k more. is an 85er with big wheel big enough for me? the 85 I can buy ride and sell this year without any loss. maybe my girlfriend will be after a few months strong enough for the 125 or the 250f. I want that she doing some strength workout, especially lower back

does the 24hp from the 150f satisfy for an longer time? can I carry enough speed for big doubles? I jump regularly 4-10m doubles with my downhillbike on my local trails, I expect that I will jump farther with an mx.

r18b wrote:

Had the same with my gf.. bought her a cr85 big wheel 2007( 169cm and 56kilo) For a newbie that's the only safe way to go. Don't forget that those 85's still running pretty hard for a little bike. Easy to handle, easy to work on and most fun of it to ride with it.. She just loves it to ride it on the track. For you, just get a 125 so the both of you have a bike to enjoy the ride with it. Forget the 4 strokes, stick with the smokers if you ride for fun.

Crxtuner wrote:

Hi , do you think i can ride the 85 too with my 70kg for a few month until i bought another bike because i want yz 125 for me, but in germany theý are a bit rare? I woul leave big jumps out with the 85.

my gf loves when i pull hard on my street triple r and corner hard same with my honda crx with b18swap. She love´s speed. I hope the 85 will last her long enough, but i think it will , they´re light and powerfull.

The Ktm sx125 has bad suspension? Because in Germany we have many cheap sx 125 (newer models too) its the opposite of the yz 125. Suspension is everything for me, i will 100% prefer handling over power, but if i can mod the sx suspension cheap, maybe i will try it.

@calcoast

I´m sry in germany dont exist the ttr 225, only old ttr 600 and ttr 100e 2018 models.

Would the crf 150r or any 85 be better for her/us? I can rebuild and service 4stroke by myself.

I saw some videos of the crf 150 and i must say i like it

I ride a cr250.. so now and then i jump on the 85 to burn the fuel/oil out the pipe. My gf rides it not as she should be(newbie) I'm 85 kilos and running the 85 in the sand (holland)
Just a lap of 3. Not jumping with it.!! So yes, you should or can do it on the 85.

yz125 are a lot for sale in holland.. rm125 so now and then.. sx125 uuh they don't handle like a jap does , so i would go for a yz instead of a sx. Personal i would go for a cr125 coz i'm a honda guy. That is gonna be her next one.
crf150 or a 85.. well the fun factor of a 85 gives more smile then a annoying 4 stroke to learn it on.

BUT

In the end the choice is on ur own what to get.

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2/24/2018 2:03 PM

Good, i will buy the 06- yz125 in Holland. I´m a big honda guy too, but i wrote that the cr125 is the slowest of all 125 and some are over 15 years old.
Which 85 is the best?? Is the ktm sx85 better than the sx125 supsension?


Thanks for all the help

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2/24/2018 9:33 PM

there are no slow 125's. Only slow riders. Which is the best is hard to say.. you like a one year old bike that is threaten like a bitch or a 10 year old bike is taken care of like a loved one? suspension there a guys for that can make it work like you want it. I already can say 4 names that will do the job in Holland, Plus with a overload of ktm 85's there are a lot of shocks and parts available ( reiger-ohlins-promax-grizzly).

Take the time to look around for a good one..

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2/25/2018 12:38 PM

Servus, mit ner 250f ist das powerband zwar etwas einfach zu beherschen als vei ner 125er, aber durch das mehr gewicht und vorallem die größere bewegte masse im Motor wirkt sie deutlich klobiger.

Ich würde ne 125er nehmen, einfach weil man da das „richtige“ fahren viel besser lernt. „keep the momentun“.... sag ich da nur.
Und selbst wenn du wie ich alles selbst machst an wartung, die 2takter sind da viel billiger und schneller gemacht.

Fahrwerk find ich bei meiner 14er 250sx eig echt gut. Wenn es euch nicht passt, gibt auch in D genug leute die einen das super abstimmen, kostet zwischen 100 und 300€ ca.

Das mit der Kupplung wäre mit ner Rekluse Automatikkupplung behoben (teuer, ca 1000€).

Also meine meinung, 125er ktm. In zweitakt bereich sind die anderen marken viel zu weit hinterher. Man kann das Powerband auch gut mit der Auslasssteuerung, nen flywheel usw anpassen.
Allerdings sollte euch klar sein das auch 125 und 250f kein spielzeug sind. Meiner meinung nach schwieriger zu fahren als ne R1. Also lass deine Freundin vill erstma auf ner großen Wiese von der leine tongue

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2/25/2018 12:55 PM

PS.
Das beste wär natürlich sie ne 85er und du ne 125. Dann kann sie etwas sicherer das fahren lernen und du hast auch Spaß dabei smile
Und die 125er sind evtl so billig weil seit diesem jahr bei vielen Rennserien die 250 zweitakt in der selben klasse fahren dürfen, viele die auf Sieg aus sind werden da umsteigen einfach weil viel viel mehr leistung da ist.

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2/25/2018 12:57 PM

Was soll der spaß denn überhaupt kosten dürfen?

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