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Now it is bad
"Do as I say, not as I do"
All the bitching is because it's not their team in control and doing it, as long as it's their team and their team's mouthpieces approve and pump up the team, IT'S ALL GOOD
If it's the other team, and they're doing damage control and/or fixing the shit fucked up by the other team, THAT IS IRRELEVANT!
They're bad and they're irresponsible
Because they say so
The Shop
In case you didn't notice, shit's a little fucked up right now
I think it's funny how some of you think it was OK to spend like a drunken sailor and now that someone is spending to accomplish something, it's bad
I also think it's funny how some of you think that the entire economic collapse will just magically go away all by itself
What I think is FUNNY is how some of you think that spending Billions on CRAP is somehow going to get us out of this mess. The porkulus bill was just one huge goody bag for polititions. It has done nothing to fix the economy.
That kind of politics is what is wrong.
You can agree that a stimulus bill and spending is good or bad. Nobody responded to my post about what would have happened if the TARP and other bills had not been put into action. That would be discussing economic policy. But, using the money to buy votes pisses me off much more. It means more of the same.
Spending money on a Gangster museum in Atlanta doesn't make sense to me.
Giving ACORN Billions doesn't make sense to me.
Waiting until just before the 2010 elections for most of the stimulus money to kick in doesn't make sense to me.
The stimulus bill was a joke and there is no defending it.
If you changed your business expenses b/c of less revenue why shouldn't Uncle Sam?
Hell Uncle Sam should lead by example. That would get us out of this mess quicker than anything!
The "plan" doesn't include any real balance sheets or numbers that show revenue will increase to reduce the debt. None whatsoever. There's a bunch of hand waving, but that's all we really get.
THERE IS NO PLAN.
and the decifit is skyrocketing because the congress can't stop spending?
What happened to that?
Were you bitching then?
So now we're in a pickle, we need to increase revenues but we have no savings.
What do you do now?
Let the company go into the shitter? Lock the doors?
You could borrow and increase your advertising and visibility to increase sales, paying down your old and new debt and keeping your company from closing.
Amazing to me smart people like you can't understand stimulus.
Let's use something simple like building a new park, which is actually happening here in my county.
To build the park they have to hire/pay people to clear the land, people to do the plumbing, to do the electrical, to pave the roads, to build the docks, to build the play ground equipment...and out of each of those, the land clearing company buys and pays for equipment and tools, plumbers buy piping and tools (and subcontract ditch diggers, who buy equipment and tools) and the electricians buy wiring and switches, and boxes and conduit and the road pavers buy equipment, and rock and asphalt and the playground equipment company buys the plastic and wood to make the equipment along with all the nuts and bolts and all of those companies, from the plumber to the nut and bolt company floor sweeper all get paid a wage, and all of those getting paid a wage spend that money on things for their home, for food, for a car, or parts for their car or their motorcycle or parts for their motorcycle and new clothes for their kids for school and pencils and pens and paper and all of those companies from the home builder to food store to pencil maker all hire people who earn a wage and then they put money into the economy by buying things.
There is only one entity large enough with the clout, capital and credit to initiate these kinds of projects nationwide to get people moving, working and spending money so the money moves down the line from one hand to the next...guess who?
Or better yet, do nothing and have all those people sit at home doing nothing and collecting unemployment off the government dole
2. Increase revenue. That means a plan that returns more money than is spent...not one that returns $0.30 on the dollar, which is what the government jobs pay back. There is no plan to increase jobs and revenue here, at least on any substantial amount. It's a fucking joke.
3. Not make dumb-ass requirements like, "spend it or lose it", which is what a good portion of the "stimulus" is.
4. Actually watch where the dollars are going, not spend first then ask questions later.
5. Have an actual plan with expenditures vs. expected returns, PRIOR to flowing the money.
Truth is Dave, if Bush did what Obama is doing now, you'd be crying a river.
Pit Row
"Truth is Dave, if Bush did what Obama is doing now, you'd be crying a river."
That's where you're wrong
I don't make decisions or judgments based on "who" but on "why"
If we were in the same mess, I would support the same stimulus.
Your problem is bigger than you thought
and not everything is one size fits all, is it?
BTW, not that it's your business, but our overall sales are up, not down
I say stay the fuck out of failing companies and failing states. They will clean themselves of over spending. Some of these to big to fail corporations need to fail!!
The same with uncle sam, I just got back from D.C. and was amazed at how many buildings each department had. Come on does anyone really think we need that many buildings and offices? We have a big, fat and wasteful goverment!!!
If you can't pay your current bills how are you going to pay for future bills? Sure you gotta spend some to make some, but do you really think the stimulus plan is the fix?
We are another 6-12 months from the housing market correcting itself. Or so I have been told and also read. The reading part meaning most say we have a 6 -12 month surplus still. That is down from 12-18 months not long ago.
I know it isn't any of my business thus the reason I didn't ask. I was being hypothetical with my statement. That said, congrats on being ahead!!! Lots would be happy with being even at them moment.
If we had all that money back, there wouldn't even be an economic crisis.
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