Supporting the Troops

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Fucking lib's live by a double standard, pathetic.
11/26/2008 12:48pm
I'm not against the armed forces, but every single person I know who joined, only did so because they couldn't do shit for a real job and it was last resort.
A very close personal friend who when all else failed, joined the Army reserves. He said he's never met a dumber bunch if kids in boot camp.
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11/26/2008 12:59pm
DB, there are many that joined for better reasons but in the end it doesn't matter as much what brought them in as much as how they leave.

The difference between joining the military and a lot of "normal" jobs is that when you get out of boot camp, and into the field the people actually learn a trade and can use it for the rest of their lives.

Pretty decent last resort. Pays for between 60% and 100% of college tuition as long as you pass the class, offers steady income, gives troubled people some needed structure and in most cases is a life long journey with a nice rate of success.

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I'm not against the armed forces, but every single person I know who joined, only did so because they couldn't do shit for a real job...
I'm not against the armed forces, but every single person I know who joined, only did so because they couldn't do shit for a real job and it was last resort.
A very close personal friend who when all else failed, joined the Army reserves. He said he's never met a dumber bunch if kids in boot camp.
Didn't John Kerry get tons of shit for that assumption? I agree with you though. Otherwise one might wonder why put yourself at that risk if you don't have to?

Sure the army can be a ticket to higher education, but some pay a high price.
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There's many different levels of entry into the armed forces. The difference between qualifications for a fighter pilot and a grunt are worlds apart.

While there's no denying the armed forces do attract some less than stellar candidates, it's unfair to paint them all with the same brush.
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11/26/2008 1:38pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:19pm
I'm not against the armed forces, but every single person I know who joined, only did so because they couldn't do shit for a real job...
I'm not against the armed forces, but every single person I know who joined, only did so because they couldn't do shit for a real job and it was last resort.
A very close personal friend who when all else failed, joined the Army reserves. He said he's never met a dumber bunch if kids in boot camp.
Yep, West Point, US Naval Academy, A&M Corps of Cadets, the Citadel, Virginia Military Institute and all the rest are full of thousands of bottom feeders that have no potential nor opportunity so they go there as a last resort.
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Rooster wrote:
There's many different levels of entry into the armed forces. The difference between qualifications for a fighter pilot and a grunt are worlds apart. While there's...
There's many different levels of entry into the armed forces. The difference between qualifications for a fighter pilot and a grunt are worlds apart.

While there's no denying the armed forces do attract some less than stellar candidates, it's unfair to paint them all with the same brush.
my son is in the process of joining..hes still deciding..he'll be here with me for thanksgiving

he just wants to do the training..he graduated NAU with a 4.0,but can't find a job in organic chemistry..
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THE armed services is a great way to get an education and learn about the world
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Bunch of pricks in here. I don't care if you dont support the president or the war, but you should support the troops.
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Oldmotoguy wrote:
my son is in the process of joining..hes still deciding..he'll be here with me for thanksgiving he just wants to do the training..he graduated NAU with...
my son is in the process of joining..hes still deciding..he'll be here with me for thanksgiving

he just wants to do the training..he graduated NAU with a 4.0,but can't find a job in organic chemistry..
Thanks for proving my point.

A guy I went to high school with joined the Canadian military to fly F/18's. He needed his masters before he even could join the program with no guarantee he'd ever get near one.
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I'm not against the armed forces, but every single person I know who joined, only did so because they couldn't do shit for a real job...
I'm not against the armed forces, but every single person I know who joined, only did so because they couldn't do shit for a real job and it was last resort.
A very close personal friend who when all else failed, joined the Army reserves. He said he's never met a dumber bunch if kids in boot camp.
the most clear observation is that your friend was in there as well. Pretty sure he wasn't the one guy out of the bunch that qualified for Mensa...


I on the other hand went through boot camp in '87/88. Won't say that I met any Rhodes Scholars there, but they came from all walks of life and levels of education or capability.

11/26/2008 1:52pm
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Bunch of pricks in here. I don't care if you dont support the president or the war, but you should support the troops.
never said I didn't support the troops, just saying what my experience is with the military I know. All I know couldn't get a real job that paid anything for various reasons. My buddy who is an officer in the Air Force said in Army boot camp (he switched branches) most of the 18 - 25 yr old kids where blockheads.
I do agree comparing a grunt to an intelligence officer or fighter pilot are worlds apart. yes, they teach a trade and if you can handle all the moving around and not get killed in another country, your benifits are second to none.
A Red Hot Chili Peppers song "join the Army if you fail".
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11/26/2008 2:11pm Edited Date/Time 11/27/2008 10:01pm
Some think the Armed Forces consist of only cooks and grunts apparently....Whistling

I place technically skilled military folks all over the country when they get out of the service. All branches of the military have become extremely technical and require a lot of smart folks to keep all the systems going.... American industry wants veterans badly not just for their tangible skills but also for their soft skills..come to work on time, take pride in their work, drug free, how to deal with all types of people, said goodbye to their families for months at a time. There's not many people who were in the military that weren't called in the middle of the night and told get to work and fix so and so by zero 8 or the world will be knocked off its axis...you just did it...
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I support our troops fighting for my freedom in Iraq ,while Islamic extremists plan , organise and execute acts of terrorism.from Pakistan .
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11/26/2008 3:24pm
Supporting the troops does not mean you support every dumb ass war thought up by the politicians.
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When Bush gets back from vacation he will probably declare war on Finland .

I was being sarcastic , saying we are fighting the wrong war in the wrong country .
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11/26/2008 5:33pm Edited Date/Time 11/26/2008 6:15pm
never said I didn't support the troops, just saying what my experience is with the military I know. All I know couldn't get a real job...
never said I didn't support the troops, just saying what my experience is with the military I know. All I know couldn't get a real job that paid anything for various reasons. My buddy who is an officer in the Air Force said in Army boot camp (he switched branches) most of the 18 - 25 yr old kids where blockheads.
I do agree comparing a grunt to an intelligence officer or fighter pilot are worlds apart. yes, they teach a trade and if you can handle all the moving around and not get killed in another country, your benifits are second to none.
A Red Hot Chili Peppers song "join the Army if you fail".
You're not talking about your experience with the military, you're talking about your friend's experience. BIG difference.

I left the Navy smarter than I was when I joined, and it had nothing to do with training or schools. It had everything to do with the experiences I shared with the "18 - 25 year old blockheads" I worked with. If you can't take some sort of lesson from everyone you meet, then maybe you're the blockhead.

One other thing to keep in mind: For every one intel/fighter pilot and grunt officer, there are a slew of enlisted folks (blockheads?) making him/her look good.
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Sully wrote:
You're not talking about your experience with the military, you're talking about your friend's experience. BIG difference. I left the Navy smarter than I was when...
You're not talking about your experience with the military, you're talking about your friend's experience. BIG difference.

I left the Navy smarter than I was when I joined, and it had nothing to do with training or schools. It had everything to do with the experiences I shared with the "18 - 25 year old blockheads" I worked with. If you can't take some sort of lesson from everyone you meet, then maybe you're the blockhead.

One other thing to keep in mind: For every one intel/fighter pilot and grunt officer, there are a slew of enlisted folks (blockheads?) making him/her look good.
Nobody would remember the Egyptians, if it wasn't for their armies of slaves that built the pyramids. I doubt is was the grunts that designed and engineered them though. Still, without manpower to execute, a good idea is just a good idea.
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11/26/2008 7:14pm
fer sur... tak me for exapel. Ima dumbass......
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FGR01 wrote:
fer sur... tak me for exapel. Ima dumbass......
but can you ride a scooter reel fast?
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A lot of idiots around here.
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Funny thing is EVERYONE wants the benefits of freedom, as long as it's someone else serving.
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super rat wrote:
A lot of idiots around here.
In which group do you categorize yourself?
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11/27/2008 9:36pm
For the record, I could very easily make it on the outside. In fact, I could be earning quite a bit more money than I am in the Army. Not every person in the military is a dummy. There are many very intelligent people in the military and there are various different reasons why they have chosen to serve. I speak from first-hand knowledge and experience, not from what someone told me. The military does not just consist of a bunch of guys trained to pull triggers. As Rooster said above, it's a little more advanced than that and it takes many highly skilled people to make it work.
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Only cats that have never served and ACTUALLY done the job, think it's a bunch of dolts manning multi-million dollar weapon systems.

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