Snowden: Patriot or Traitor ?

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Edited Date/Time 6/10/2014 8:31pm
He made a ton of sense last night.

Does The Constitution mean anything anymore?

Who specifically has been harmed by his revelations?

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newb 5/29/2014 9:39am
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Traitor....... without question.
Harry Backmon 5/29/2014 10:02am
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Patriot...... without question.
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Detroit Dick 5/29/2014 10:03am
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As with most things in life, this is not black and white. I'd have to say he's a confused patriot who's trying to do some real good, but in the process has done some real harm.
gabrielmalinois 5/29/2014 10:05am
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Neither, a little of both. Self serving attention whore, revealer of truth. it's complicated.

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mxrose3 5/29/2014 10:13am
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If we are to uphold our constitution, he is a hero.

The trouble is, our constitution was written over 200 years ago and times have changed.

Do we as a country want our government watching our every move (which will include no privacy whatsoever), in exchange for national security? This is what is happening - and it is why he did what he did. Local police are also using this data to apprehend criminals, not just terrorists.

Ever read the book '1984' ?

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newb 5/29/2014 10:27am
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Detroit Dick wrote:
As with most things in life, this is not black and white. I'd have to say he's a confused patriot who's trying to do some real...
As with most things in life, this is not black and white. I'd have to say he's a confused patriot who's trying to do some real good, but in the process has done some real harm.
What good did he do?
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He leaked so much stuff to Russians, I`d say your country is much much weaker now .
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kongols wrote:
He leaked so much stuff to Russians, I`d say your country is much much weaker now .
Im not worried, Obama told Romney that Russia isnt a problem and get outta the 1980s.

Our real problems are gay football players not getting enough press and white bigots who own basketball teams!

Priorities people !

AHRMA361 5/29/2014 10:58am
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kongols wrote:
He leaked so much stuff to Russians, I`d say your country is much much weaker now .
Racer92 wrote:
Im not worried, Obama told Romney that Russia isnt a problem and get outta the 1980s. Our real problems are gay football players not getting enough...
Im not worried, Obama told Romney that Russia isnt a problem and get outta the 1980s.

Our real problems are gay football players not getting enough press and white bigots who own basketball teams!

Priorities people !

Bravo Racer92....bravo...
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Detroit Dick 5/29/2014 11:51am
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@NEWB- he's exposed a whole hornet's nest of DOMESTIC spying. If we give up our right to privacy to "fight terrorism" then we lose. Period.
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kongols wrote:
He leaked so much stuff to Russians, I`d say your country is much much weaker now .
Racer92 wrote:
Im not worried, Obama told Romney that Russia isnt a problem and get outta the 1980s. Our real problems are gay football players not getting enough...
Im not worried, Obama told Romney that Russia isnt a problem and get outta the 1980s.

Our real problems are gay football players not getting enough press and white bigots who own basketball teams!

Priorities people !

Merica!!! Lol.

Agree with Detroit.

Let's say you see something unconstitutional and want to blow the whistle. How else are you supposed to blow the whistle on something like that that is strictly unconstitutional?
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Detroit Dick wrote:
@NEWB- he's exposed a whole hornet's nest of DOMESTIC spying. If we give up our right to privacy to "fight terrorism" then we lose. Period.
Some of us already knew about that stuff long before Snowden even got his CIA clearance though. Nobody cared then.
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kongols wrote:
He leaked so much stuff to Russians, I`d say your country is much much weaker now .
Racer92 wrote:
Im not worried, Obama told Romney that Russia isnt a problem and get outta the 1980s. Our real problems are gay football players not getting enough...
Im not worried, Obama told Romney that Russia isnt a problem and get outta the 1980s.

Our real problems are gay football players not getting enough press and white bigots who own basketball teams!

Priorities people !

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Merica!!! Lol. Agree with Detroit. Let's say you see something unconstitutional and want to blow the whistle. How else are you supposed to blow the whistle...
Merica!!! Lol.

Agree with Detroit.

Let's say you see something unconstitutional and want to blow the whistle. How else are you supposed to blow the whistle on something like that that is strictly unconstitutional?
PLENTY of legal and less destructive means were available to Snowden. He chose the attention whore route.
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Detroit Dick 5/29/2014 12:04pm
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kongols wrote:
He leaked so much stuff to Russians, I`d say your country is much much weaker now .
Racer92 wrote:
Im not worried, Obama told Romney that Russia isnt a problem and get outta the 1980s. Our real problems are gay football players not getting enough...
Im not worried, Obama told Romney that Russia isnt a problem and get outta the 1980s.

Our real problems are gay football players not getting enough press and white bigots who own basketball teams!

Priorities people !

But, George "C Student" Bush "looked into Putin's eyes" and proclaimed him a good man and an ally of ours.... and with his foriegn policy record who could question that?...
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Detroit Dick 5/29/2014 12:10pm
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newb wrote:
Some of us already knew about that stuff long before Snowden even got his CIA clearance though. Nobody cared then.
Well, okay then. If you're good with the government spying on everyone than we can just tear up that whole silly "Constitution" thingy....
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Well, okay then. If you're good with the government spying on everyone than we can just tear up that whole silly "Constitution" thingy....
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newb wrote:
Some of us already knew about that stuff long before Snowden even got his CIA clearance though. Nobody cared then.
Detroit Dick wrote:
Well, okay then. If you're good with the government spying on everyone than we can just tear up that whole silly "Constitution" thingy....
I didn't say that. I'm definitely not OK with the government spying on US citizens, but I am also not OK with exposing classified info, EVER.

Loose lips sink ships.
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kongols wrote:
He leaked so much stuff to Russians, I`d say your country is much much weaker now .
Is anyone going to mess with us now? Anyone other than terrorists who hate us over things long past?

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newb wrote:
PLENTY of legal and less destructive means were available to Snowden. He chose the attention whore route.
He probably knew if he took the 'Legal' route, our government would shut him up.... one way or another.
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oldAFI 5/29/2014 12:44pm
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Since democracy requires transparency, it seems to me that Snowden did the ethical thing.
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mxrose3 wrote:
He probably knew if he took the 'Legal' route, our government would shut him up.... one way or another.
BINGO!
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Didnt this crap start with the Patriot Act?
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Detroit Dick 5/29/2014 1:39pm
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Racer92 wrote:
Didnt this crap start with the Patriot Act?
You bet your "post 9/11" ass it did.
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Patriot. The US government is more of a threat to its citizens than Russia. Fuck the government.
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9/11? False flag to usher in the police state. And guess who it started under? A republican administration. And who is continuing these policies and implementing more? A democratic administration. Conclusion? Both parties are not for the people. They serve only themselves. Fuck the two party system. George Washington warned of party politics in his farewell address, as well.
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Why the broken glasses?



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PressPassP 5/30/2014 1:59am
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Patriot. The US government is more of a threat to its citizens than Russia. Fuck the government.
^This,the guy is a patriot and risked a huge amount to expose the crooked government that's in danger of slowly going to destroy the US from within

Many of the big hitters and puppeteers will be at the Bilderberg in Denmark this weekend anyway,plenty on the agenda there no doubt,

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