Ken Ham vs Bill Nye

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Edited Date/Time 1/7/2014 3:48pm
The fact that the creation museum even exists is frightening but this "debate" should be a fun watch nonetheless.




http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2014/01/02/bill-nye-ken-ham-de…

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gabrielmalinois 1/3/2014 4:56pm
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Weird. I wonder how much Bill Nye is going to make off of it. I've seen a creation guy like that speak once and it was pretty far out there. Many years later I was watching Ancient Aliens and they used some of the same "evidence". They seem to be the same types of people as well as the world conspiracy folks. All cut from the same cloth.
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XXVoid MainXX 1/3/2014 5:03pm
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I was thinking the same thing. The 9/11 conspiracy theorists would fit right in there too. Smile
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jtomasik 1/4/2014 7:15am
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As every year passes, the religious God dies just a little bit more.

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gabrielmalinois 1/4/2014 7:37am
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jtomasik wrote:
As every year passes, the religious God dies just a little bit more.
Maybe with you, but this segment of religion has very little to do with the people of faith as a whole. Christianity for one is growing so I get how you say God is dying.
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jtomasik 1/4/2014 7:52am
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jtomasik wrote:
As every year passes, the religious God dies just a little bit more.
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Maybe with you, but this segment of religion has very little to do with the people of faith as a whole. Christianity for one is growing...
Maybe with you, but this segment of religion has very little to do with the people of faith as a whole. Christianity for one is growing so I get how you say God is dying.
Give it a few more decades/centuries, and when Jesus remains a no-show, Christianity will evolve into yet another philosophical belief, devoid of the Santa in the sky. All religions follow the pattern. Buddhism leads you by a few hundred years. Islam is behind a few hundred. Used to be God would directly be involved in plagues and wars in the bible. Now, do Christians believe that with the same level of intervention? Nope.

Religious history of all religions exhibit the pattern of devolving god from making the sun rise to hands off to basically non-existence. Christianity will be no exception.
gabrielmalinois 1/4/2014 8:12am
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jtomasik wrote:
As every year passes, the religious God dies just a little bit more.
gabrielmalinois wrote:
Maybe with you, but this segment of religion has very little to do with the people of faith as a whole. Christianity for one is growing...
Maybe with you, but this segment of religion has very little to do with the people of faith as a whole. Christianity for one is growing so I get how you say God is dying.
jtomasik wrote:
Give it a few more decades/centuries, and when Jesus remains a no-show, Christianity will evolve into yet another philosophical belief, devoid of the Santa in the...
Give it a few more decades/centuries, and when Jesus remains a no-show, Christianity will evolve into yet another philosophical belief, devoid of the Santa in the sky. All religions follow the pattern. Buddhism leads you by a few hundred years. Islam is behind a few hundred. Used to be God would directly be involved in plagues and wars in the bible. Now, do Christians believe that with the same level of intervention? Nope.

Religious history of all religions exhibit the pattern of devolving god from making the sun rise to hands off to basically non-existence. Christianity will be no exception.
Where do you get that from? There are very little similarities between Christianity and Buddhism especially on the historical developments of their beliefs and practices.
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JW381 1/4/2014 11:27am
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How do you have a debate where one party cites empirical evidence and the other cites faith? I'm sure Mr. Ham will try to use science as evidence but in the end he'll have to make a few stretches and declarations of "seeing isn't believing", so argument over, right?
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rebus 1/5/2014 9:45am
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XXVoid MainXX wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. The 9/11 conspiracy theorists would fit right in there too. Smile
Funny, I thought you'd fit right in with the YEC's. Smile Smile Smile
Aceofspades 1/6/2014 11:13pm
1/6/2014 11:13pm
Creationists say that an eternal god created the universe.
Secular scientists say that the universe created itself. Same damned argument, if you ask me. There's just as much evidence for a god as there is against a god existing. The creationist guy will say a bunch of embarrassing, untrue shit, and bill bye will say just as much embarrassing, untrue shit- but he has behind him the "credibility" of a scientific culture who willingly lies about test results and distorts the scientific method to support their political agenda. They deserve each other, and this debate is stupid.
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308 1/7/2014 6:31am
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"bill bye will say just as much embarrassing, untrue shit- but he has behind him the "credibility" of a scientific culture who willingly lies about test results and distorts the scientific method to support their political agenda."

This made me giggle.


" this debate is stupid."

Got that right. I'm unsure why Bill is giving this guy the time of day. This "debate" just lends an air of credibility to something which should be treated with derision by any of those in the scientific or even christian community.
Maybe he's the best choice for this event since they won't be able to claim that he is one of those radical, loudmouth lefty blowhards who tries to win by bullying instead of facts. Who better to debate this yahoo than someone with years of experience explaining science in terms even a child can understand?
Unfortunately in the end Bill will discover you can't debate stupid and there is no logical answer to "faith".

I miss Hitchens..
gabrielmalinois 1/7/2014 6:45am
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308 wrote:
[b]"[i]bill bye will say just as much embarrassing, untrue shit- but he has behind him the "credibility" of a scientific culture who willingly lies about test...
"bill bye will say just as much embarrassing, untrue shit- but he has behind him the "credibility" of a scientific culture who willingly lies about test results and distorts the scientific method to support their political agenda."

This made me giggle.


" this debate is stupid."

Got that right. I'm unsure why Bill is giving this guy the time of day. This "debate" just lends an air of credibility to something which should be treated with derision by any of those in the scientific or even christian community.
Maybe he's the best choice for this event since they won't be able to claim that he is one of those radical, loudmouth lefty blowhards who tries to win by bullying instead of facts. Who better to debate this yahoo than someone with years of experience explaining science in terms even a child can understand?
Unfortunately in the end Bill will discover you can't debate stupid and there is no logical answer to "faith".

I miss Hitchens..
I am pretty sure Bill Nye is getting paid well to do it. Bill Nye is only well known because he gave short science lessons in between Saturday morning cartoons not for any real scientific contribution. He must need the money.

Why do you miss Hitchens? He never made a decent argument for anything, he just expressed his anger in hyperbole. Is that who you are in to, hyperbolic anger?
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308 1/7/2014 10:08am
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"Nye, who is executive director of the Planetary Society, said in that interview that he would be willing to travel to Kentucky and debate Ham if the museum paid his travel expenses."

I really doubt he needs the money. I'm not trying to put Nye on a pedestal non do I agree with all of his global warming beliefs but myself and many others are thankfull for those short science lesson growing up.


Say what you want about Hitchens. Never made a decent argument for anything? I dissagree.
Hitchens did not hide behind intellectual scorn and he did not fear the open exchange of ideas.

He would have crushed Ham and exsposed him as the fraud he is.
gabrielmalinois 1/7/2014 10:47am
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308 wrote:
[url=http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2022586977_apxrelbillnyedebate.html]"Nye, who is executive director of the Planetary Society, said in that interview that he would be willing to travel to Kentucky and debate Ham if...
"Nye, who is executive director of the Planetary Society, said in that interview that he would be willing to travel to Kentucky and debate Ham if the museum paid his travel expenses."

I really doubt he needs the money. I'm not trying to put Nye on a pedestal non do I agree with all of his global warming beliefs but myself and many others are thankfull for those short science lesson growing up.


Say what you want about Hitchens. Never made a decent argument for anything? I dissagree.
Hitchens did not hide behind intellectual scorn and he did not fear the open exchange of ideas.

He would have crushed Ham and exsposed him as the fraud he is.
I'm not knocking Bill Nye (he is a local guy here) I am just saying the whole deal is nonsense. I don't see why Bill Nye feels he needs to do it, well except for money or publicity.

The weakest link on a below average 8th grade debate team would crush him so no need for a rhetorician like Hitchens to do so. If Hitchens ever made a good argument I never heard it, but to each there own I guess. He definitely made a lot of money off the debate racket that's for sure. Funny, I was at my local library last night and saw his brother's book on why he is a Christian.
Aceofspades 1/7/2014 3:36pm
1/7/2014 3:36pm Edited Date/Time 1/7/2014 3:37pm
Most of you think nye is "lowering" himself by debating a creationist, but I've seen Bill Nye use doctored, phony "proof" to argue for global warming, so I'd say both of these guys are on the same level of shame. Also, anyone who claims evolution has been "proven" knows nothing of science, and I say this as a non-Christian, non-creationist, amateur astronomer. I'm no creationist apologist. Unfortunately, the "science" of evolution is filled with the same level of deceit and flat out lying as global warming. It's not enough to simply say "we feel that evolution is the most sensible explaination", it's become a political cudgel to silence dissent and as a tool to steal government grant money. Creationists aren't the only hucksters who deal in fairy tales, folks.
gabrielmalinois 1/7/2014 3:41pm
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Aceofspades wrote:
Most of you think nye is "lowering" himself by debating a creationist, but I've seen Bill Nye use doctored, phony "proof" to argue for global warming...
Most of you think nye is "lowering" himself by debating a creationist, but I've seen Bill Nye use doctored, phony "proof" to argue for global warming, so I'd say both of these guys are on the same level of shame. Also, anyone who claims evolution has been "proven" knows nothing of science, and I say this as a non-Christian, non-creationist, amateur astronomer. I'm no creationist apologist. Unfortunately, the "science" of evolution is filled with the same level of deceit and flat out lying as global warming. It's not enough to simply say "we feel that evolution is the most sensible explaination", it's become a political cudgel to silence dissent and as a tool to steal government grant money. Creationists aren't the only hucksters who deal in fairy tales, folks.
Yeah, but this guy thinks the earth is 6,000 to 10,000 years old. That is a whole different deal than simply debating evolution.
Aceofspades 1/7/2014 3:43pm
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Most maddening to me is examples of a species experiencing adaptation to environmental stimulus being used as "proof" of evolution. When the proposed theory makes claims of wholesale re-engineering of the very nature of a species, using a simple change of color or the growing of hair or fur ain't exactly proving the entire theory, regardless of what you've been "taught" by supposed learned professors.
Aceofspades 1/7/2014 3:48pm
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Aceofspades wrote:
Most of you think nye is "lowering" himself by debating a creationist, but I've seen Bill Nye use doctored, phony "proof" to argue for global warming...
Most of you think nye is "lowering" himself by debating a creationist, but I've seen Bill Nye use doctored, phony "proof" to argue for global warming, so I'd say both of these guys are on the same level of shame. Also, anyone who claims evolution has been "proven" knows nothing of science, and I say this as a non-Christian, non-creationist, amateur astronomer. I'm no creationist apologist. Unfortunately, the "science" of evolution is filled with the same level of deceit and flat out lying as global warming. It's not enough to simply say "we feel that evolution is the most sensible explaination", it's become a political cudgel to silence dissent and as a tool to steal government grant money. Creationists aren't the only hucksters who deal in fairy tales, folks.
gabrielmalinois wrote:
Yeah, but this guy thinks the earth is 6,000 to 10,000 years old. That is a whole different deal than simply debating evolution.
"Young earth" creationists are buffoons. I even accept and believe in god, but using the bible as a literal calendar to pin down generational dates is madness- unless our fundamental knowledge of geology and carbon-14 dating is flawed. I believe in a divine creator, I leave the specifics of his method out of my belief. Sadly, not even science can be trusted anymore, so I just don't worry about it. If I'm wrong, I've not hurt anybody or used my belief to lead others astray. That's how it should be.

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