Justice or war crime ?

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 6:23pm
My initial reaction was how the F@#K did this not end in the conclusion one would think ! Am i missing something ? What do you guys think ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16712488
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1/24/2012 8:44pm
and you wonder why they hate you......
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God damn! That devil dog looks like trash. Cover way too high, blouse all fucking wrinkled, watch looks like shit, shitty tattoo. What a shitbag.
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Because it is horse shit thats why. read the article carefully, he went on a rampage after watching his close buddy get killed.

The only things these Marines are guilty of is not stopping when the enemy hurried up and threw down their weapons when they realized they were gonna die. I gotcha, should have calmed down but would have you. I kind of have knowledge of this and the only reason they are on trial is because they are Americans, if they were in any other countries military, we wouldn;t even be talking about it.

Telling "highly" trained killers to go kill, and then telling them to stop right before they squeeze the trigger is horse shit, my dad use to tell me they use to send him out on recon missions (Vietnam, Marine) with no ammo.

Handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500 (movie, I forget which) should not be allowed for governments looking for scape goats to try and cool foreign relations. This story wouldn;t have been an issue if CNN wouldn;t have twisted the truth from the beginning.

And I could give a shit about why they hate me, nor do I wonder.

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1/25/2012 4:09am
That guy is a fucking coward and a war criminal. If you think what he did is ok, you are part of the problem.
1/25/2012 6:53am
Man, there are some scary people posting on this web site.
Gunning down 24 innocent people, including women, children and the elderly, is okay? Ummm...no. You'd have to be criminally insane or a sociopath to think that murdering innocent civilians is okay. Even the soldier admitted it was not okay. His argument is that he didn't mean for it to happen:

"I wish to assure you that on that day, it was never my intention to harm you or your families. I know that you are the real victims of November 19, 2005," he said.
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Well I just typed up a big reply and it vanished, and I am not retyping so I will just say this. The only thing scary is you sheeple that have never left mommies teet voicing your non-combat experience opinion on what the TV told you to believe. As for my experience, I was in country when this happened and am the one that did the visit request for CNN who were the first to report this horseshit story.

Since the military courts are 10 times harder on the suspects than civilian courts, if this was TRULY a incident where "firendly" civilians were wasted, for no reason", those Marines would have hung. No question about it. This is why also that all are getting convicted of ""conduct unbecoming" because it is Marine (and military) policy that once someone gives up, fights over, and this is what these Marines are in violation of, NOT killing helpless civilians. As for the woman, grandmother and children. I have taken AK47s away from 8 yr olds and have seen 70+ yr olds carrying artillery shells (used for IEDs), so spare me your speach. My fathers Vietnam buddy has no legs right now from a bomb strapped to a baby and thrown into his helicopter during a rescue mission by the lady/mother being rescued.

If you have never been, and have no idea, I do not need you to repeat what the TV has told you to believe. I can watch the same BS lies on the same channel you do. I am just smart enough not to open my mouth, when I have no Freekin clue of what I am talking about.

"the guy" - there was a whole platoon, this story is just about "one" of them.

He says he never meant it to happen - no shit, so you think he is going to give an interview and say, yep...I meant to kill all them bastards.
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1/25/2012 9:12am
I think he's saying this situation was a classic example of fighting a war against an enemy which isn't a uniformed European/Western-style army, one which doesn't adhere to the Western notion of "honorable" war and fighting.
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Thanks Steve, but don't try, The television blind will NEVER listen and old fart is the dictionary picture for this. I have said in every post the Marines were WRONG, just not of murder. Classic sheeple, never address the issue, just restate the useless or make up the "not said"

It is so easy to question someones decisions, when you HAVE NEVER been in their shoes. 19 and 20 year old kids given the responsibility to control whether people live or die and they cannot even have a beer when they are done, while fat freekin wannabes sitting in there mommas house, in thier underware jerking off to porn at 50 yrs old, question their decisions.........THATS fucking wrong.

The Marines are a fighting force, killers, unless you need them to terminate the enemy, don't send them into combat....SImple as that

So once again, the Marines were WRONG of conduct unbecoming and should get discharged, but not of murder.

I love the "coward" post. Marine (something they can never been), numerous tours in combat
(with people actually shooting at you, not MW3), given the power to make life and death decisions (which could affect global outcomes), single father of 3 (children) and hes a coward..............freeh, I think you have called the wrong person a coward. try not looking at the glare on your monitor.


I know, our next military branch should be the internet tough guy division, world peace is soon to follow.
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1/25/2012 3:48pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 4:11pm
MotoX85 wrote:
Because it is horse shit thats why. read the article carefully, he went on a rampage after watching his close buddy get killed. The only things...
Because it is horse shit thats why. read the article carefully, he went on a rampage after watching his close buddy get killed.

The only things these Marines are guilty of is not stopping when the enemy hurried up and threw down their weapons when they realized they were gonna die. I gotcha, should have calmed down but would have you. I kind of have knowledge of this and the only reason they are on trial is because they are Americans, if they were in any other countries military, we wouldn;t even be talking about it.

Telling "highly" trained killers to go kill, and then telling them to stop right before they squeeze the trigger is horse shit, my dad use to tell me they use to send him out on recon missions (Vietnam, Marine) with no ammo.

Handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500 (movie, I forget which) should not be allowed for governments looking for scape goats to try and cool foreign relations. This story wouldn;t have been an issue if CNN wouldn;t have twisted the truth from the beginning.

And I could give a shit about why they hate me, nor do I wonder.
I had to edit my OP.

I'am just so mind boggled at how anyone can be ok with this, i don;t want to live on this planet anymore.

What a sad world we live in today.....
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MotoX85 wrote:
Because it is horse shit thats why. read the article carefully, he went on a rampage after watching his close buddy get killed. The only things...
Because it is horse shit thats why. read the article carefully, he went on a rampage after watching his close buddy get killed.

The only things these Marines are guilty of is not stopping when the enemy hurried up and threw down their weapons when they realized they were gonna die. I gotcha, should have calmed down but would have you. I kind of have knowledge of this and the only reason they are on trial is because they are Americans, if they were in any other countries military, we wouldn;t even be talking about it.

Telling "highly" trained killers to go kill, and then telling them to stop right before they squeeze the trigger is horse shit, my dad use to tell me they use to send him out on recon missions (Vietnam, Marine) with no ammo.

Handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500 (movie, I forget which) should not be allowed for governments looking for scape goats to try and cool foreign relations. This story wouldn;t have been an issue if CNN wouldn;t have twisted the truth from the beginning.

And I could give a shit about why they hate me, nor do I wonder.
I had to edit my OP. I'am just so mind boggled at how anyone can be ok with this, i don;t want to live on this...
I had to edit my OP.

I'am just so mind boggled at how anyone can be ok with this, i don;t want to live on this planet anymore.

What a sad world we live in today.....
And your opinion matters so much to me when your screen name is a play on words for having sex or rape with minors. Your forum name is more offensive to me than any of the half naked avatar photos.

So once again, the Marines were WRONG of conduct unbecoming and should get discharged, but not of murder.

It is a sad world, especially when someone would condone sex with minors by creating a forum name suggesting it with a misplaced letter.
1/25/2012 5:39pm
The real criminals are our leaders who sent them there in the first place...
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1/25/2012 8:06pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 8:11pm
MotoX85 wrote:
Because it is horse shit thats why. read the article carefully, he went on a rampage after watching his close buddy get killed. The only things...
Because it is horse shit thats why. read the article carefully, he went on a rampage after watching his close buddy get killed.

The only things these Marines are guilty of is not stopping when the enemy hurried up and threw down their weapons when they realized they were gonna die. I gotcha, should have calmed down but would have you. I kind of have knowledge of this and the only reason they are on trial is because they are Americans, if they were in any other countries military, we wouldn;t even be talking about it.

Telling "highly" trained killers to go kill, and then telling them to stop right before they squeeze the trigger is horse shit, my dad use to tell me they use to send him out on recon missions (Vietnam, Marine) with no ammo.

Handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500 (movie, I forget which) should not be allowed for governments looking for scape goats to try and cool foreign relations. This story wouldn;t have been an issue if CNN wouldn;t have twisted the truth from the beginning.

And I could give a shit about why they hate me, nor do I wonder.
I had to edit my OP. I'am just so mind boggled at how anyone can be ok with this, i don;t want to live on this...
I had to edit my OP.

I'am just so mind boggled at how anyone can be ok with this, i don;t want to live on this planet anymore.

What a sad world we live in today.....
MotoX85 wrote:
And your opinion matters so much to me when your screen name is a play on words for having sex or rape with minors. Your forum...
And your opinion matters so much to me when your screen name is a play on words for having sex or rape with minors. Your forum name is more offensive to me than any of the half naked avatar photos.

So once again, the Marines were WRONG of conduct unbecoming and should get discharged, but not of murder.

It is a sad world, especially when someone would condone sex with minors by creating a forum name suggesting it with a misplaced letter.
My username is a song title of a famous metal band that has nothing to do with what you are talking about..You're sicker then i thought.

Let me make it more clear for what my username means,

The song is a play on words there are many interpretations: anti-war, politics, humans being inhumane to each other.
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War is an ugly ugly thing. I will let the Court and the Marine Commander make that decision.
I have lots of family and close friends with combat experience and my dear Brother a Marine that served in Vietnam told me best when said "Hey Hut I learned right away what I was here for. I am a warrior, these people want to kill me and I'm not gonna let 'em." That was good enough for me.
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Survivor Awis Fahmi Hussein, who had been shot in the back, said: "I was expecting that the American judiciary would sentence this person to life in prison and that he would appear and confess in front of the whole world that he committed this crime, so that America could show itself as democratic and fair."

Sorry, Awis, democratic and fair are a thing of the past in America.
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1/26/2012 1:21pm
Then MOVE!!!!!


Somalia is happily accepting work visas on a case by case basis.
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MotoX85 wrote:
Then MOVE!!!!!


Somalia is happily accepting work visas on a case by case basis.
If everyone who sees the reality of what our country has come to leaves, who's going to fix the shit?

Obviously not you, or any of the other happy fascists who will still be here.
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MotoX85 wrote:
Then MOVE!!!!!


Somalia is happily accepting work visas on a case by case basis.
How about if we just stay and fight to get the US back to being the great nation it once was instead, tough guy.
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freeh wrote:
How about if we just stay and fight to get the US back to being the great nation it once was instead, tough guy.
Thank you.
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1/26/2012 6:38pm
Ok so do you want to stay and fix it or whine about it all day, cause it started out as whining, are you to the fix it part yet or are you just talking out your ass which will turn into another whine fest.

"Sorry, Awis, democratic and fair are a thing of the past in America. " This sure does sound like a whambulance moment, do not see any suggestion for fixing anything in you post.

As for the typewriter terror, I'll gladly give you my address or tell you all the races I am hitting this year so we can have a little get together.
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1/26/2012 6:53pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 6:54pm
MotoX85 wrote:
Ok so do you want to stay and fix it or whine about it all day, cause it started out as whining, are you to the...
Ok so do you want to stay and fix it or whine about it all day, cause it started out as whining, are you to the fix it part yet or are you just talking out your ass which will turn into another whine fest.

"Sorry, Awis, democratic and fair are a thing of the past in America. " This sure does sound like a whambulance moment, do not see any suggestion for fixing anything in you post.

As for the typewriter terror, I'll gladly give you my address or tell you all the races I am hitting this year so we can have a little get together.
We clearly have two very diverse opinions on what constitutes whining.

We also have very diverse views on what constitutes "democratic and fair."

I don't know what the "typewriter terror" thing is all about, but it sounded a little bit like a threat.
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MotoX85 wrote:
Ok so do you want to stay and fix it or whine about it all day, cause it started out as whining, are you to the...
Ok so do you want to stay and fix it or whine about it all day, cause it started out as whining, are you to the fix it part yet or are you just talking out your ass which will turn into another whine fest.

"Sorry, Awis, democratic and fair are a thing of the past in America. " This sure does sound like a whambulance moment, do not see any suggestion for fixing anything in you post.

As for the typewriter terror, I'll gladly give you my address or tell you all the races I am hitting this year so we can have a little get together.
motogeezer wrote:
We clearly have two very diverse opinions on what constitutes whining. We also have very diverse views on what constitutes "democratic and fair." I don't know...
We clearly have two very diverse opinions on what constitutes whining.

We also have very diverse views on what constitutes "democratic and fair."

I don't know what the "typewriter terror" thing is all about, but it sounded a little bit like a threat.
I am guessing the 'typewriter terror' comment was directed at me. If so, why don't we just meet at the flag pole during recess?

What a joke. Challenging someone to a fight on an internet message board. I feel threatened.Laughing
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1/27/2012 7:53am
"why don't we just meet at the flag pole during recess?"

Thats funny right there.
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MotoX85 wrote:
Well I just typed up a big reply and it vanished, and I am not retyping so I will just say this. The only thing scary...
Well I just typed up a big reply and it vanished, and I am not retyping so I will just say this. The only thing scary is you sheeple that have never left mommies teet voicing your non-combat experience opinion on what the TV told you to believe. As for my experience, I was in country when this happened and am the one that did the visit request for CNN who were the first to report this horseshit story.

Since the military courts are 10 times harder on the suspects than civilian courts, if this was TRULY a incident where "firendly" civilians were wasted, for no reason", those Marines would have hung. No question about it. This is why also that all are getting convicted of ""conduct unbecoming" because it is Marine (and military) policy that once someone gives up, fights over, and this is what these Marines are in violation of, NOT killing helpless civilians. As for the woman, grandmother and children. I have taken AK47s away from 8 yr olds and have seen 70+ yr olds carrying artillery shells (used for IEDs), so spare me your speach. My fathers Vietnam buddy has no legs right now from a bomb strapped to a baby and thrown into his helicopter during a rescue mission by the lady/mother being rescued.

If you have never been, and have no idea, I do not need you to repeat what the TV has told you to believe. I can watch the same BS lies on the same channel you do. I am just smart enough not to open my mouth, when I have no Freekin clue of what I am talking about.

"the guy" - there was a whole platoon, this story is just about "one" of them.

He says he never meant it to happen - no shit, so you think he is going to give an interview and say, yep...I meant to kill all them bastards.
Just out of curiousity did you enlist and go the enlisted route after recieving you PhD or did you get your advanced degrees after you got out?
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US marine soldiers are some of the finest and skilled army men in the world, this guy is a war criminal and not a representative for the US marine in general. He is a war criminal and should be severely sentenced and he would have been severely sentenced in most civilized and democratic countries.

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