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Why punish the responsible people, for the acts of the un-responsible?
As far as having breath analyzer ignition locks, while certainly that would be a step forward, too many people would find a way around it. You'd have drunk guys finding a teenager passing by and paying them $20 to breathe into the device for them. You'd have drunk guys having their sober girlfriend blow into the device rather than allowing the sober girlfriend to drive the car. But surely it would put a major dent in drunk driving.
The consequences are just ridiculous. My wife and I were at a neighbor's party Saturday night. One of the women there was telling us she just got 2 DWI's in the SAME month by the SAME cop. She got a fine and 40 hours of community service. Thankfully, the woman who hit our friend's daughter got 10 years in prison (though she'll probably serve half of that at most). The problem with relying on punishment as a solution is that law enforcement can only catch such a small percentage of offenders. Yes, having very harsh, no-tolerance penalties would act as a deterrent for many, but there are still too many alcoholics who can't control themselves enough to make the rational decision.
Knowing that no matter what measures are taken only a fraction of drunk drivers would be stopped, how many people here would give up their right to drink for the common good if absolute prohibition were possible?
The system loves it, lawyers, cops, judges, PO's, jails, rehab centers. Just think about who all has their hands in the pot making money off of it? There is no way alot of these people will give up this huge money maker for them.
A co worker got hit last spring by a dude high on Meth. Broke his femur, shattered hip, tib/ fib both legs, 4 broken ribs and dislocated shoulder. He was in traction for 6 months, might never walk right or walk again. The guy who hit him is getting probation.
Not saying 2 wrongs make a right but if he was drunk driving he would be in jail. Bottom line. Why are people like this being treated in a lighter light then drunks? There are alot of people abusing prescription drugs on a daily basis that are behind the wheel.
some pretty cool stuff
People that have already had multiple DUI's and have no license aren't going to suddenly see the light and stop driving......they don't care and having nothing to lose.
Prohibition is foolish, it didn't work before and it won't work now.
Cocaine, Meth, Heroin...all deadly drugs that are illegal and I could easily find some of each within an hour if I went to the right neighborhoods.
There is no law stating you can't go to a bar, have a few drinks a drive home, most everyone has done it. How many is too many? How does a guy know what .08 feels like?
When i am out i usually keep to a drink an hour, i am 220 lbs and feel this keeps me safe, i feel fine, but how do i KNOW?
I bring this up because i was in a small town bad a few months ago with some buddies, 1 am comes around and the town cop comes in to tell everyone its time to leave.
I decide to politely ask the cop if he had any breathalyzers with him, he says yes. I then ask if i could take one to see where i am at to get "point of reference". The cop got all belligerent with me and told me to move along. I was like so you won't do this for me?
Here's the surprise!
He proceeds to tell me "look, i'm getting in my car in 5 minutes"
I said "what?"
He then says "do you understand me? i am getting in my car IN 5 MINUTES"
I look at him a bit puzzled...
He says one more time "you got 5 minutes..."
That was unbelievable to me, instead of doing a public service he just wants everyone out of his town. Could be looked at as "cool" and "oldschool", i thought it was terribly irresponsible.
Mandatory interlocks on all cars will save lives, save money and save a lot of grief. Only people that earn their money arresting and adjudicating drunk drivers will lose.
But your last sentence is exactly it, too many people make too much money off if DWI's
i also have never drivin when i thought i might be compromised, not caring about a number, just what i felt.
Still, how do i KNOW what .08 is?
Pit Row
ALWAYS remember that and drive with that in mind.
Do I have stats and data? No, but I believe it a fair estimate from my experience.
I don't leave a stadium or arena before the game or race is over, but I do try and get out as quickly as possible afterwards, because in my opinion, almost everyone leaving is drunk on some level and I want to get the fuck away from them.
The local bar owners here are pretty good about identifying those who shouldn't be driving and calling "Ashlee's Angels" to come give them a ride home.
Regarding people driving while loaded on prescription meds, I know in this area they've been cracking down on it. I think the problem with it is that there's no simple test like a breathalyzer to determine level of impairment. There are simple tests (like go behind that bush and pee on this stick for me, lol) that will identify what drugs they've taken, but it won't tell how much they've taken.
I can assure you there have been many, many times throughout my life when I've driven after drinking and definitely shouldn't have, and I was lucky to avoid any accidents. But spending 5 minutes with the brain-damaged young lady and her family that I spoke of will change the way you look at things drastically. I know my habits have changed as a result.
just giving you shit dave, you dont have to answer
if you do know this than maybe some kid will read it and learn something.
The is a term, it's called "tolerance". People that drink regularly have to drink more than someone who does not to feel a buzz. Just because they need to drink more to feel a buzz does not mean they are less inebriated... in other words 4 beers for one guy may feel like nothing and he thinks he is fine, when in reality he is not. Conversely, another guy at 4 beers might feel really buzzed and know there is no way he should be driving. Both men very well could have the same blood alcohol level.
Stop trying to turn this into something it isn't / trying to tell me something.
Was this trivial and obvious... yes of course, but then why do you feel the need to push the subject...
The point is that unless you have been tested a few times A LOT of people don't realize they are over the limit / too drunk to legally drive (or safely drive).
i will be posting this on the morning of Dec. 31st...
prohibition....name one instance in any field where this works, you cant. so anyone who suggested this, please remove yourself from the discussion as you are clearly uncapable of rational thought.
interlocking devices.....while we are at it, why dont we make it illegal to mfg a car that goes above 55 mph. im joking of course.
the fact is, you could easily make the penalty public hanging, and you know what? DUI's will still occur at the same rate. ive seen the studies to prove such. increase the penalties all you want, it wont prevent DUI's
why dont you ask yourself this, why is it that a person who drives off the road or causes an accident sober gets little to no criminal punishment....meanwhile the DUI is such a hot topic issue. if im drunk, and i drive off the road, at least i had an excuse. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO SCARES ME: the people who get in accidents while they are supposedly at their most coherent (sober).
fact - most accidents happen in parking lots. not while speeding. not requiring any real difficulty of hand eye coordination. point being, a bad driver is a bad driver. they are everywhere....old people, asians, women, mexicans, etc etc etc. i lived in the bay area, vegas, and now south OC....ive seen the worst of all of them, and it had nothing to do with alcohol.
i have no doubt i could put down 4 straight shots and still drive better than 98% of the general public. my point, the system is broken and a mess.
you willingly put your life in many other peoples hands every time you get on the road. if you fail to acknowledge that, thats a you-problem, and it doesnt make it any less relevant.
DUI's are very easy to get. many of you are asking for penalties you have no business handing out do to lack of experience or perspective. you'd all be lying if you said youve never had a beer or two in your system while behind the wheel of a car. you may not have been drunk, but you dont have to be drunk or even intoxicated to get a DUI....simply under the influence is enough.
you dont have to be a danger to anyone, you dont have to be driving remotely dangerously, and you could be guilty of a DUI. you'd be suprised how little it takes.
80% of all people on the road between the hours of 11pm and 3am are guilty of a DUI. some might say we have a major problem there...i try and look at it a little more logically and say it sounds to me like people are getting in trouble for simply being human. i mean really, if 80% are doing it, at what point is it just human nature? and how can you get someone in trouble for simply being human? thats dangerous ground for the legal system to be treading.
ok, done with my rant. flame away.
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