What changed between Alessi and RV?

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Edited Date/Time 1/20/2012 10:43pm
I was looking through some pics of some amateur races between Mike and RV and at every amateur race that I went to Mike always kicked RV's ass. Mike was the next "phenom" coming up. Now RV hits the pros, and he hands Mike an ass whoopin in the lites class. So what changed to make Mike and RV switch roles?
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PC for RV

MA split ways with Honda (in my opinion his worst mistake the KTM set him back)
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All part of growing up. I always wondered what happened with Myerscough and Ward coming up from the minibike class. Those two battled all through the minis and when they moved to big bikes their careers went totally different directions. Brian's illness in the early 80's had him out for a season or so and there was literally nothing for him to come back to. Shows how soon this sport forgets and how unforgiving it can be. Brian Myerscough was absolutely one of the best. And people wonder why JLaw should wake up and take notice.
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6/16/2008 10:24am
835 wrote:
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MA split ways with Honda (in my opinion his worst mistake the KTM set him back)
Yah, he got 2nd outdoors on that KTM, and now? He's sitting in the same spot.

So how did the KTM set him back exactly?
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6/16/2008 10:27am
RV got faster. Mike seems like he plateaued.

I think RV just has more overall talent. For example, Mike isn't all that good at SX.

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6/16/2008 10:33am
I watched many of the those RV VS MA battles in the amateur ranks and always felt like RV's Kawasaki's were no match for MA's Honda's.

Also MA is a notorious holeshot artist and in 4 lap amateur races the starts mean everything.

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6/16/2008 10:40am
i think because RV always had to WORK to get up front, always charging to the end, where alessi was used to winning and assumed getting the holeshot meant winning the race.

i am very impressed with MA as of late; he was never one of my favorite riders but you have to admit, hes faster then hes ever been, and it doesnt look like his head is on a swivel stick anymore, not much looking around, seems focused on whats ahead.

thats my opinion, but equipment, talent, and drive all play into it...
6/16/2008 10:54am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:18pm
If Alessi didn't separate his shoulder at Southwick his rookie year he wins the title and carries that confidence in to season two.

Instead he rides for consistency while on probabtion and can't step up to Villopotos new level of speed brought on by desire stemming from getting beat at Loretta's by Lawrence and practicing with and measuring himself with Grant Langston and the support of Mitch Payton. Grant get's hurt and they tell RV he's the guy and he just hangs it out from there.

Alessi has done phenomenal, just not as phenomenal as Villopoto.

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835 wrote:
PC for RV

MA split ways with Honda (in my opinion his worst mistake the KTM set him back)
Yah, he got 2nd outdoors on that KTM, and now? He's sitting in the same spot.

So how did the KTM set him back exactly?
The KTM are a different beast. I've ridden them and they are different.

I said different not inferior.

At that level not being 100% comfortable can mean allot. Even Nick Way is having trouble getting comfortable. Alessi was riding the KTM's when the Linkless suspension still had problems. Look how much better he was in the whoops this yr. Although his height still hampered him.

I don't think him not winning that first yr hurt him. The injury and the GH incident maybe but loosing fired him up even more. Mike is hungry.

I think he would have won last year if he would have been on a jap bike. Look how much better he did after he got the shock issues worked out.
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If Alessi didn't separate his shoulder at Southwick his rookie year he wins the title and carries that confidence in to season two. Instead he rides...
If Alessi didn't separate his shoulder at Southwick his rookie year he wins the title and carries that confidence in to season two.

Instead he rides for consistency while on probabtion and can't step up to Villopotos new level of speed brought on by desire stemming from getting beat at Loretta's by Lawrence and practicing with and measuring himself with Grant Langston and the support of Mitch Payton. Grant get's hurt and they tell RV he's the guy and he just hangs it out from there.

Alessi has done phenomenal, just not as phenomenal as Villopoto.

thoughs are some real good pionts too. Having GL to practice with would help allot. Alessi was still running off on his own and at that piont more mentoring would have been better.
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6/16/2008 11:21am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:18pm
If James does sx only & RV moving up, the nationals will be great next year.
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better for us but I don't know about the sport.
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6/16/2008 11:32am
mike got to ride year round
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6/16/2008 11:57am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:18pm
835 wrote:
PC for RV

MA split ways with Honda (in my opinion his worst mistake the KTM set him back)
Yah, he got 2nd outdoors on that KTM, and now? He's sitting in the same spot.

So how did the KTM set him back exactly?
835 wrote:
The KTM are a different beast. I've ridden them and they are different. I said different not inferior. At that level not being 100% comfortable can...
The KTM are a different beast. I've ridden them and they are different.

I said different not inferior.

At that level not being 100% comfortable can mean allot. Even Nick Way is having trouble getting comfortable. Alessi was riding the KTM's when the Linkless suspension still had problems. Look how much better he was in the whoops this yr. Although his height still hampered him.

I don't think him not winning that first yr hurt him. The injury and the GH incident maybe but loosing fired him up even more. Mike is hungry.

I think he would have won last year if he would have been on a jap bike. Look how much better he did after he got the shock issues worked out.
He'd do good on any bike.
He'll win eventually.

KTM wasn't the issue. Look at the results, they're the same on Jap & KTM. And this year he's "focused" and "hungry", and he still has the same results.

It wasn't the bike, but most will try to place blame there.
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He'd do good on any bike. He'll win eventually. KTM wasn't the issue. Look at the results, they're the same on Jap & KTM. And this...
He'd do good on any bike.
He'll win eventually.

KTM wasn't the issue. Look at the results, they're the same on Jap & KTM. And this year he's "focused" and "hungry", and he still has the same results.

It wasn't the bike, but most will try to place blame there.
look at his consistancey after they got the special shock. That wouldn't have been an issue on a Jap factory team. Yes he is one of the best but I think he would have had a yr just like this yr if he wasn't on the KTM He didn't start winning or getting consistant results until he got the shock and JS got hurt.
6/16/2008 12:01pm
Things change when the kids hit the Pros. I seem to remember a certain North Texas rider spanking RCs ass several times in the ams.
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835 wrote:
PC for RV

MA split ways with Honda (in my opinion his worst mistake the KTM set him back)
Yah, he got 2nd outdoors on that KTM, and now? He's sitting in the same spot.

So how did the KTM set him back exactly?
I guess we all know who rides a KTM here.
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Yah, he got 2nd outdoors on that KTM, and now? He's sitting in the same spot.

So how did the KTM set him back exactly?
In Mike's words, "The KTM turned good" that's all he has to say.

He likes the Suzuki, more. The real issue (this year) is that everyone has stepped up the pace.

Last year Ferry, was fastest towards the end, but had to many mistakes, and bad starts.

Short, is Mr. Consistent Podium...but didn't net the points needed.

Windham, had to come from to far behind, and Langston, handle the pressure better of the five, and netted more points to win the title.

Mike Alessi, likes the Suzuki better...much better. He has Stewart looking over his shoulder...for the long haul.

This year Stewart, is tougher, smarter, and more matured. He is doing what he needs to win the title.

My bets are still on Mike Alessi.
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6/16/2008 6:09pm
MA is obviously much faster this year than last.Point standings from last year mean nothing.He has raised his level twice this year IMO.James is just a freak.
6/16/2008 8:38pm
Attitude and training program.
6/16/2008 8:58pm
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All part of growing up. I always wondered what happened with Myerscough and Ward coming up from the minibike class. Those two battled all through the...
All part of growing up. I always wondered what happened with Myerscough and Ward coming up from the minibike class. Those two battled all through the minis and when they moved to big bikes their careers went totally different directions. Brian's illness in the early 80's had him out for a season or so and there was literally nothing for him to come back to. Shows how soon this sport forgets and how unforgiving it can be. Brian Myerscough was absolutely one of the best. And people wonder why JLaw should wake up and take notice.
Ward had nothing for Myerscough on a 125 until brian got sick. Brian was in the hunt for the title until he got sick.
6/16/2008 9:08pm
835 wrote:
PC for RV

MA split ways with Honda (in my opinion his worst mistake the KTM set him back)
Yah, he got 2nd outdoors on that KTM, and now? He's sitting in the same spot.

So how did the KTM set him back exactly?
This is what Tony said, Mike had to learn how to ride the KTM becouse it just wouldnt do the things his Hondas would do, and they just wouldnt develop the bike the way they had promised. Once Larry quit as manager it was like riding a year old bike becouse nothing got done. That was Tonys words not mine.

I believe that if they had stayed with Honda and not gone with the money Ivan Tedesco is one championship lite.
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6/16/2008 9:18pm
835 wrote:
PC for RV

MA split ways with Honda (in my opinion his worst mistake the KTM set him back)
Yah, he got 2nd outdoors on that KTM, and now? He's sitting in the same spot.

So how did the KTM set him back exactly?
UpTiTe wrote:
This is what Tony said, Mike had to learn how to ride the KTM becouse it just wouldnt do the things his Hondas would do, and...
This is what Tony said, Mike had to learn how to ride the KTM becouse it just wouldnt do the things his Hondas would do, and they just wouldnt develop the bike the way they had promised. Once Larry quit as manager it was like riding a year old bike becouse nothing got done. That was Tonys words not mine.

I believe that if they had stayed with Honda and not gone with the money Ivan Tedesco is one championship lite.
If those are Tony's words, how come they're not in quotes?
I'd like to know what else was said (there is something to be said for 'context').

Otherwise, his results speak for themselves.
6/16/2008 9:23pm
Yah, he got 2nd outdoors on that KTM, and now? He's sitting in the same spot.

So how did the KTM set him back exactly?
UpTiTe wrote:
This is what Tony said, Mike had to learn how to ride the KTM becouse it just wouldnt do the things his Hondas would do, and...
This is what Tony said, Mike had to learn how to ride the KTM becouse it just wouldnt do the things his Hondas would do, and they just wouldnt develop the bike the way they had promised. Once Larry quit as manager it was like riding a year old bike becouse nothing got done. That was Tonys words not mine.

I believe that if they had stayed with Honda and not gone with the money Ivan Tedesco is one championship lite.
If those are Tony's words, how come they're not in quotes? I'd like to know what else was said (there is something to be said for...
If those are Tony's words, how come they're not in quotes?
I'd like to know what else was said (there is something to be said for 'context').

Otherwise, his results speak for themselves.
Never mind man, I dont know Tony I just make shit up as I go along. You cought me sorry.
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Jeff, chose to do without the money, and bought a Honda...now he has minimal backing, and is doing great.

Mike, is working hard to be all he can be. He felt the KTM would not do it. But when you have a chance to ride what RC would if he had another year on the contract, as well as have his multi-time Mechanic, I think the choice is obvious.

Mike, did more for KTM, then KTM, did for Mike...

The Suzuki team is as 100% as Mike Alessi. Right now they are in Northern California, Altitude testing. Dedication !

Oh, and I might ad...Spider grip testing...yippy !
6/16/2008 9:36pm
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Jeff, chose to do without the money, and bought a Honda...now he has minimal backing, and is doing great. Mike, is working hard to be all...
Jeff, chose to do without the money, and bought a Honda...now he has minimal backing, and is doing great.

Mike, is working hard to be all he can be. He felt the KTM would not do it. But when you have a chance to ride what RC would if he had another year on the contract, as well as have his multi-time Mechanic, I think the choice is obvious.

Mike, did more for KTM, then KTM, did for Mike...

The Suzuki team is as 100% as Mike Alessi. Right now they are in Northern California, Altitude testing. Dedication !

Oh, and I might ad...Spider grip testing...yippy !
Mike did more for ktm then ktm did for mike.........no truer words will be said on this topic.
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6/16/2008 9:38pm
UpTiTe wrote:
Mike did more for ktm then ktm did for mike.........no truer words will be said on this topic.
I'm in no way putting down KTM. They have made leaps, and bounds, but still they are fifth.
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Yah, he got 2nd outdoors on that KTM, and now? He's sitting in the same spot.

So how did the KTM set him back exactly?
UpTiTe wrote:
This is what Tony said, Mike had to learn how to ride the KTM becouse it just wouldnt do the things his Hondas would do, and...
This is what Tony said, Mike had to learn how to ride the KTM becouse it just wouldnt do the things his Hondas would do, and they just wouldnt develop the bike the way they had promised. Once Larry quit as manager it was like riding a year old bike becouse nothing got done. That was Tonys words not mine.

I believe that if they had stayed with Honda and not gone with the money Ivan Tedesco is one championship lite.
If those are Tony's words, how come they're not in quotes? I'd like to know what else was said (there is something to be said for...
If those are Tony's words, how come they're not in quotes?
I'd like to know what else was said (there is something to be said for 'context').

Otherwise, his results speak for themselves.
Bailey Benefit ride at Cahuilla a couple of years ago. I'm taking a break watching and Mike's burning a few laps, along with McGrath. MC comes ripping by chasing Mike and Tony mumbles "if we could only have that motor in that frame."

That's what he said. In quotes.

Oh....and he wasn't talking about a KTM frame and Honda motor....

MR
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When Mike moved up to the pros he was expected to win races right off the bat. When RV moved up I dont think anyone expected him to win races let alone a championship.Pressure to preform on the national level for a 16 year old kid is a very heavy burden. One huge advantage for RV to not have to carry the weight of the world in his rookie year.I also feel this is an advantage RC had over James,no one would have bet that RC would be so dominate when he turned pro,but when James turned pro he was expected to win every single race.I think it would be alot easier mentally to rise to the top if the whole world wasnt really expecting it.
6/17/2008 6:19am
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Things change when the kids hit the Pros. I seem to remember a certain North Texas rider spanking RCs ass several times in the ams.
Weird to think about that. He could match his pace in the ams, but did pretty much nothing in the pros.
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6/17/2008 6:38am
agreed

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