Traction Control?

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Ah, the wonders of live television. Pretty interesting! Good TV with the radio communication too...
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FlaNard 1/15/2011 7:23pm
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Didnt help him right there! Bunch of cheaters...
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WhKnuckle 1/15/2011 7:27pm
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Hard to believe they'd run traction control - and if they really are running it, it's not working worth a crap, Stewart hasn't gotten a start yet.
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FlaNard 1/15/2011 7:29pm
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Like all the top guys in recent history, the rules dont apply to James.
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bullpen58 1/15/2011 7:30pm
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It's not a traction control device. It's a "spin reduction device". Totally legal.

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FlaNard 1/15/2011 7:31pm
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bullpen58 wrote:
It's not a traction control device. It's a "spin reduction device". Totally legal.
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DownSouth 1/15/2011 7:33pm
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It worked good enough to get JS 2nd in the (c)heat race.Laughing
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pilotdude 1/15/2011 7:33pm
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JGR knows their shit. I hope they protest it.
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SoCalMX70 1/15/2011 7:34pm
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All forms of traction control should be illegal IMO...
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FlaNard 1/15/2011 7:34pm
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pilotdude wrote:
JGR knows their shit. I hope they protest it.
But James has a tv show as the lead in to the races. The people in charge want James to win. They wont touch him. But I agree, I hope its protested also.
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You would think it would be difficult to ride, seeing that a lot of direction change is done by the rear wheel and associated power sliding
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we use wheel speed sensors on a data aquisition system to measure a few things...... 1 being tires spin verse throttle position and wheel speed verse engine rpm.....can tell if the clutch is slippin or the rider is 2 agreesive with the throtttle ...i think they are gathering info if it was traction control it wouldent be legal and u would hear the motor go flat as the cpu would pull timing and add fuel to soften the motor up
sbarrington314 1/15/2011 7:35pm
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no way would they risk winning a championship with a stunt like that. you guys are dreaming. doesnt need it.
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Hattica77 wrote:
Ah, the wonders of live television. Pretty interesting! Good TV with the radio communication too...
Hey Andy, not sure you saw the other thread on this from this week, but it sure looks like some of the teams are getting into the "grey" area a little bit. This is where NASCAR would have the balls to shut it down.

Check out the thread: Traction Control
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purpleNurple 1/15/2011 7:36pm
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If you watch when he goes by the mechanics area his bike wasnt laying down much tire spin compaired to everybody else.
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Racer92 1/15/2011 7:38pm
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What was the rear tire James had on there?
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bullpen58 1/15/2011 7:38pm
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Racer92 wrote:
What was the rear tire James had on there?
Bridgestone M23
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sbarrington314 wrote:
no way would they risk winning a championship with a stunt like that. you guys are dreaming. doesnt need it.
Who knows if he has it or not. But to say he doesn't need it is just plain stupid. Every one that races will take any advantage they can get. I am sure the road race guys dont "need" Traction Control, but they sure do use it.
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sbarrington314 wrote:
no way would they risk winning a championship with a stunt like that. you guys are dreaming. doesnt need it.
Not only that, if they were going to take a chance like that, they'd put the sensors on the countershaft where you can't see them. No way in hell they'd put them out in plain sight on the brake assembly.

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onenastynotch wrote:
we use wheel speed sensors on a data aquisition system to measure a few things...... 1 being tires spin verse throttle position and wheel speed verse...
we use wheel speed sensors on a data aquisition system to measure a few things...... 1 being tires spin verse throttle position and wheel speed verse engine rpm.....can tell if the clutch is slippin or the rider is 2 agreesive with the throtttle ...i think they are gathering info if it was traction control it wouldent be legal and u would hear the motor go flat as the cpu would pull timing and add fuel to soften the motor up
(mouth agape)

Pretty insightful, holmes!

IF, this were traction control couldn't they just shut it off via remote control a couple yards out of the gate?

I highly doubt it is traction control, I was just going off what Fro said and at the very least it's cool to speculate about.
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WhKnuckle wrote:
Not only that, if they were going to take a chance like that, they'd put the sensors on the countershaft where you can't see them. No...
Not only that, if they were going to take a chance like that, they'd put the sensors on the countershaft where you can't see them. No way in hell they'd put them out in plain sight on the brake assembly.
Great point, I would be totally shocked if they had TC on that bike.
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That kind of data aquisition gear (if thats what they are doing) should not be legal on raceday. Do it all you want while testing but it will turn into too much of an advantage as usual for the top guys at the races.
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onenastynotch wrote:
we use wheel speed sensors on a data aquisition system to measure a few things...... 1 being tires spin verse throttle position and wheel speed verse...
we use wheel speed sensors on a data aquisition system to measure a few things...... 1 being tires spin verse throttle position and wheel speed verse engine rpm.....can tell if the clutch is slippin or the rider is 2 agreesive with the throtttle ...i think they are gathering info if it was traction control it wouldent be legal and u would hear the motor go flat as the cpu would pull timing and add fuel to soften the motor up
Agree, I was thinking of posting IMHO Info gathering only, but your post nails it.
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bring back the claiming rule !
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I copied this from the other thread:

From the AMA Rulebook:

1.14 Telemetry and Traction Control

a. Electronic devices designed specifically for traction control are

prohibited. This includes sensors that can determine front

wheel speed, and any electronic control to the brake systems.

b. Electronic transmitting of information, including radio

communication to or from a moving motorcycle, is prohibited

with the following exceptions:

1. Official transponders utilized for scoring purposes

(mandatory equipment assigned by Timing and Scoring).

2. Data or video transmitted or recorded for the sole use by

the approved event television production.

3. Electronic lap timing devices are permitted. Transmitter

beacons must be in an approved area. Receivers shall not

be mounted on the front area of the front number plate.



If the AMA enforces their own rules, then all electronic traction control devices should be illegal. Also the rule b part about "Electronic transmitting of information........ is prohibited". Wouldn't that also disqualify both Trey Canard (clutch data) and Kyle Regal (full GET data system) based on the TW Kickstart pictures?

Now JS is running at least a full Data Acquisition. I would think that if they didn't get permission from the AMA, then they could get protested.
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FlaNard 1/15/2011 7:58pm
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Interesting...
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"transmission of information" may not be the same thing as a computer that stores information and is downloaded in the pits. Just guessing. But no way is anyone running traction control with the sensors hanging off the rear wheel.
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bullpen58 1/15/2011 8:03pm
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eddie wrote:
bring back the claiming rule !
x 2!!! LOL!!!
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Outsider 1/15/2011 8:08pm
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Looks like he needed it on the front wheel, not the rear... Pinch
sbarrington314 1/15/2011 8:27pm
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whats BS about emig saying that is now you will have people that dont know any better calling james a cheater.
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montesagold 1/15/2011 8:32pm
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Racer92 wrote:
What was the rear tire James had on there?
bullpen58 wrote:
Bridgestone M23
M23?

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