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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 3:07pm
Let me start by saying I love two strokes but to those of you that complain on and on about how the class displacement has killed the two stroke seriously please consider the following facts:



A) You can still buy brand new and excellent two strokes. If the demand for inexpensive, light and fun bikes is a strong as you all seem to think then good news. The MFG that are making 4 strokes only aren't blind and if the number one selling bike is a YZ250, don't you think maybe, just maybe, they'll come up with an competitive model?

b) You can buy used and yet still extremely competitive two strokes. IMHO it ain't the bike holding people back, it is a lack of talent so lighten up and have fun. Ride what you enjoy.

C) Ironically those that complain the loudest about 2 strokes and displacement ARE VET RIDERS where there are no displacement rules.

D) Most AMA sanctioned MX events, GNCC and WORCS all allow you to race two strokes heads up. Two strokes are killer off road. Guess what? Even the off road people are riding 4 strokes over 2 strokes. So much for off roaders with common sense and ignoring fashion trends...

E) WORCS has 125A,B,C only classes but they are dying off because like 4 people total race them over 3 skill level classes. Again lots of talk about needing a class to ride in but very little action.

F) The consumer spoke with their pocketbook and bought 4 strokes instead of 2 Strokes. In some cases 10 to 1. So much for huge demand...

G) The exclusion of heads up cc racing effects maybe 250 people nationwide and of those 250 people most of them seem to prefer the four strokes anyway.

H) Professional racing has very very little bearing on the consumer. For the most part what the Pro's ride is not what most people need. Its too violent and stiff and unreliable. Unfortunately Joe Public can't see this.



In conclusion if you want two strokes to survive, BUY ONE and GO RACE and RIDE IT!! Otherwise please just stop whining.



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sesker15 10/18/2009 2:20pm
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This was all you needed to say.."if you want two strokes to survive, BUY ONE and GO RACE and RIDE IT!!"

Other than that good points!
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Tiki 10/18/2009 2:40pm
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From what I gather, the big complainers on Vital dont even ride. Just sayin'

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BobbyM 10/18/2009 2:45pm
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Tiki wrote:
From what I gather, the big complainers on Vital dont even ride. Just sayin'
Or never have, or are just plain squidassbackmarkers
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khough22 10/18/2009 2:45pm
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There was alot of smoke on the starting line today at Red Bud.
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Tiki 10/18/2009 2:50pm
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khough22 wrote:
There was alot of smoke on the starting line today at Red Bud.
When you shoot across the bow like that, you gotta post photos.

Lets see em. Any video?
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Void Main 10/18/2009 2:51pm
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2-Trokes suck ass as do the fan buoys.
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JW381 10/18/2009 3:01pm
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I'm a 2-stroke lover. And I ride. In fact I rode today. But I didn't love my 2-stroke so much today.... it was crazy muddy. Did I miss my 4-stroke? Hardly.

Different strokes for different folks.
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Lightning78 10/18/2009 3:32pm
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Rode my 06 RM250 for the first time yesterday at Cahuilla Creek.......I thought the bike would be amazing but dam, it excedded my expectations! I was speechless ....I feel it is an advantage over the 4 strokes when that's what 90% of the riders are on the track you get to pick all your own fresh lines not have to follow 4 stroke lines. Quite possibly the BEST bike I've ever ridden and it was bone stock I didn't think I was giving anything up to my 3 buddies on 450's. One of them that never really rode a 250 two stroke took my RM for a spin and he is almost convinced to get one and abandon his 450.

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Lightning78 10/18/2009 3:36pm
10/18/2009 3:36pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:49am
IM not really fighting for the whole cc for cc argument as I can see it is flawed but the 2 stroke is a lot better bike than most remember.

Out of the 40 riders that were there yesterday (slow day and it was HOT!) There were at least 7 new modern 2 strokes 125 & 250 with good riders on them ....I wasn't the lone warrior! Tongue
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bd 10/18/2009 3:37pm
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Lightning78 wrote:
Rode my 06 RM250 for the first time yesterday at Cahuilla Creek.......I thought the bike would be amazing but dam, it excedded my expectations! I was...
Rode my 06 RM250 for the first time yesterday at Cahuilla Creek.......I thought the bike would be amazing but dam, it excedded my expectations! I was speechless ....I feel it is an advantage over the 4 strokes when that's what 90% of the riders are on the track you get to pick all your own fresh lines not have to follow 4 stroke lines. Quite possibly the BEST bike I've ever ridden and it was bone stock I didn't think I was giving anything up to my 3 buddies on 450's. One of them that never really rode a 250 two stroke took my RM for a spin and he is almost convinced to get one and abandon his 450.

Great news. Hope all three of you are brppping soon. I bought a new YZ 125 in 2006 and a new YZ 250 in 2009. Most of you can blow me. Just sayin. Tongue
TheWeapon 10/18/2009 3:38pm
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I find it quite strange that 125s have died off so much, especially for off-road. Quite a few ISDEs were won outright on 125s....
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Lightning78 10/18/2009 3:41pm
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BD, I did have a little quarrel with one of the guys that came with my buddy he had a 06 YZ250 and wouldn't stop badgering me how his bike was better than the RM..... I was thinking "Hey were on the same side!" LOL ....doesn't really matter though we all know the RM is the superior smoker! Woohoo [Sarcasm]
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bd 10/18/2009 3:43pm
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The 2006 RM 250 screams and handles. Probably the best two stroke for the two stroke lover.
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Tiki 10/18/2009 3:45pm
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TheWeapon wrote:
I find it quite strange that 125s have died off so much, especially for off-road. Quite a few ISDEs were won outright on 125s....
Pingers make good woods bikes. In the Dez they can be fun but lack the ooomph to get up rocky shale hills. I would love to have on in the stable for sure. I'd love one of each.
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khough22 10/18/2009 3:50pm
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khough22 wrote:
There was alot of smoke on the starting line today at Red Bud.
Tiki wrote:
When you shoot across the bow like that, you gotta post photos. Lets see em. Any video?
When you shoot across the bow like that, you gotta post photos.

Lets see em. Any video?
Sorry no pics. I was racing(or I call it riding). Had to leave early because my boy caught his foot in a rut and hurt his ankle. Dam 2-stokes will hurt you. 250 A class was about 50/50. had to leave after that moto. There was 700 entries and though the 2-smokes did not out number the 4s it was the most I have seen in a while.
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motoxhead 10/18/2009 3:55pm
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Nice list of facts. Your still not changing dumb peoples mind though.

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Lightning78 10/18/2009 3:56pm
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bd wrote:
The 2006 RM 250 screams and handles. Probably the best two stroke for the two stroke lover.
Ahhhh I was just rousting you a little ...... Couple of my buddies are die hard Yamaha riders and I had to take some bantering yesterday but it was fun! To them Im the rebel now I was riding 4 strokes before them and have gone back right when they are on their honeymoon with their 4 strokes.
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WORCSRacer 10/18/2009 4:02pm
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TheWeapon wrote:
I find it quite strange that 125s have died off so much, especially for off-road. Quite a few ISDEs were won outright on 125s....
Tiki wrote:
Pingers make good woods bikes. In the Dez they can be fun but lack the ooomph to get up rocky shale hills. I would love to...
Pingers make good woods bikes. In the Dez they can be fun but lack the ooomph to get up rocky shale hills. I would love to have on in the stable for sure. I'd love one of each.
ah Tiki how quickly the people forget. The mighty Danny Hamel and his KX500....


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Lightning78 10/18/2009 4:08pm
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Danny Hamel was the man! RIP

I have been looking into getting a 500cc two stroke for fun ..... Obvious choices are a KX500 and a CR500.....which one do you guys think is a better machine? Please don't take into account the AF conversions just the bikes heads up in stock trim.
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WORCSRacer 10/18/2009 4:13pm
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Lightning78 wrote:
Danny Hamel was the man! RIP I have been looking into getting a 500cc two stroke for fun ..... Obvious choices are a KX500 and a...
Danny Hamel was the man! RIP

I have been looking into getting a 500cc two stroke for fun ..... Obvious choices are a KX500 and a CR500.....which one do you guys think is a better machine? Please don't take into account the AF conversions just the bikes heads up in stock trim.
Being old enough to have ridden and raced both of them...

The KX is far better offroad and more reliable than a claw hammer.
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WORCSRacer 10/18/2009 4:19pm
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Lightning78 wrote:
Danny Hamel was the man! RIP I have been looking into getting a 500cc two stroke for fun ..... Obvious choices are a KX500 and a...
Danny Hamel was the man! RIP

I have been looking into getting a 500cc two stroke for fun ..... Obvious choices are a KX500 and a CR500.....which one do you guys think is a better machine? Please don't take into account the AF conversions just the bikes heads up in stock trim.
Hey dude look, I already found one for you! Don't worry about it being a 1990 its the same effin bike they were selling in 2004!



rockcrawlerdude 10/18/2009 4:21pm
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KX cuz it has a power valve to smooth out the massive 500 hit....
rockcrawlerdude 10/18/2009 4:25pm
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Lightning78 wrote:
Danny Hamel was the man! RIP I have been looking into getting a 500cc two stroke for fun ..... Obvious choices are a KX500 and a...
Danny Hamel was the man! RIP

I have been looking into getting a 500cc two stroke for fun ..... Obvious choices are a KX500 and a CR500.....which one do you guys think is a better machine? Please don't take into account the AF conversions just the bikes heads up in stock trim.
WORCSRacer wrote:
Hey dude look, I already found one for you! Don't worry about it being a 1990 its the same effin bike they were selling in 2004...
Hey dude look, I already found one for you! Don't worry about it being a 1990 its the same effin bike they were selling in 2004!



notice the boot on the right foot only LOL dont want that kickback with out one!
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Tiki 10/18/2009 4:26pm
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I recall back in 91 the KX 500 was very popular. There were three on my street, and lived on the beach. Super light bikes I recall.
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CR250Rider 10/18/2009 4:29pm
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i just got back from camping at Moses lake OHV , rode sat and sunday, burned 3 tanks of PREMIX!
hurt all over....Pinch
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WORCSRacer 10/18/2009 4:30pm
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rockcrawlerdude wrote:
notice the boot on the right foot only LOL dont want that kickback with out one!
Ab soooo friggin lutely!!!
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CR250Rider 10/18/2009 4:32pm
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Tiki wrote:
From what I gather, the big complainers on Vital dont even ride. Just sayin'
only the 4 stroke riding ones !
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Deetsmx 10/18/2009 4:58pm
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Went riding at Tulare today, there have been more and more 2 strokes out there it seems every month and most that have gone back are because of engine expenses on their 4 strokes. These people (including me) are voting with their wallets and I have a feeling the tide is slowly changing. I Also noticed that most 4 strokes out there are several years old. A few years back you used to see a ton of new bikes every year at this time, today there were none. Three of the newer bikes out there were 09 KTM 2-strokes, a 250, 125 and a 200.

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