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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 9:25am
If the 2012 season goes according to the plan (RV, RD, JS being fast and healthy), the 250 rider for the USA will be again a weak link... Would you think the AMA, Roger and Dungey would be ok to have RD5 ride a 250F in the deep sand of Lommel? He would be eligible because he won't be 23 yet by the time of the race...
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TDeath21 11/30/2011 12:14am
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Team USA: Villopoto, Dungey, Baggett.

Team Puerto Rico: Stewart, Canard, Barcia.

Could this team go 1-2 at the Des Nations?

Anyways, I think Dungey riding the 250 would be a last resort. With no other American rider on a KTM 250 this year, there wouldn't be enough time to get the bike ready especially if Dungey is in a close championship battle, which I think is what we're all expecting. That would be the best three riders, but the best three don't always go to the Des Nations. Due to that stupid 23 age rule for the 250, many countries aren't able to send their top 3 guys, and the drop off from 3 to 4 for them is much more than a drop off from 3 to 4 for the US team.
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cason402 11/30/2011 12:23am
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we need to get Dean WIlson naturalized and strap an American flag on him.
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paulspek 11/30/2011 12:31am
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Doesn't matter who is on what bike, everyone is gonna get smoked by Herlings.
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Fearo 11/30/2011 12:34am
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Not to start an e-fight 10 months before the event, but what DV is saying is definitely the way to go. Those 3 are just superstars, they can ride in anything. A top 250 rider on the other hand may be great but he will not hold a candle against the Europeans who practically all live in Lommel.

I agree with Paul though. Don't be surprised if Herlings wins both of his motos by 30 seconds on a 350 Wink .

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dv12.com 11/30/2011 12:36am
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paulspek wrote:
Doesn't matter who is on what bike, everyone is gonna get smoked by Herlings.
It's a team race not an individual race BRO... It might the only time in his life he will be able to beat the Americans BUT I would never bet against a Stewart and Villopoto even in Lommel.
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paulspek 11/30/2011 12:49am
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paulspek wrote:
Doesn't matter who is on what bike, everyone is gonna get smoked by Herlings.
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It's a team race not an individual race BRO... It might the only time in his life he will be able to beat the Americans BUT...
It's a team race not an individual race BRO... It might the only time in his life he will be able to beat the Americans BUT I would never bet against a Stewart and Villopoto even in Lommel.
I don't think if everyone is healthy the USA needs to worry about the overall win, however i do think Herlings is gonna suprise a lot of you.

I really hope we are able to send our best team, Coldenhof, Herlings and de Reuver is a strong team if they are in form.
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paulspek 11/30/2011 12:54am
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But on topic: Is Barcia to old?

He's pretty fast in the sand isn't it?
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paulspek wrote:
I don't think if everyone is healthy the USA needs to worry about the overall win, however i do think Herlings is gonna suprise a lot...
I don't think if everyone is healthy the USA needs to worry about the overall win, however i do think Herlings is gonna suprise a lot of you.

I really hope we are able to send our best team, Coldenhof, Herlings and de Reuver is a strong team if they are in form.
The only way Herlings would surprise me at the Des Nations in Lommel is if he performed horribly. Us Americans are well aware of who the best sand rider in the world is. Trust me.
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dv12.com 11/30/2011 12:54am
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Paul, it should be a good race... I might to go check it out in person instead of watching it online and write 2000 tweets about it like I did this year... ;-)
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burba437 11/30/2011 12:58am
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america has lately had the best riders baggot can fly on the250 if he rides smart and the americans can adopt to all tracks no matter what but id really like to see what herlings can do but dungey probably could ride the 250 and be comfortable theyd get some info from musquin and roczen from the moto season cant wait
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Gym Briggs 11/30/2011 1:13am
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Honestly I think the best and smartest choice would be to take the top 2 450 riders(Stewie,RV,Canard or RD). Then take the top 250 rider.
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dv12.com wrote:
If the 2012 season goes according to the plan (RV, RD, JS being fast and healthy), the 250 rider for the USA will be again a...
If the 2012 season goes according to the plan (RV, RD, JS being fast and healthy), the 250 rider for the USA will be again a weak link... Would you think the AMA, Roger and Dungey would be ok to have RD5 ride a 250F in the deep sand of Lommel? He would be eligible because he won't be 23 yet by the time of the race...
mhà......why?
RD5 is a strong rider on 450....KTM on the sand is the best bike....is crazy using the 250F...for me...:-)

Next year Cairoli and Herlings win the MXoN!
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jamma10 11/30/2011 1:38am
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Surely you would have to take Barcia? Unless he has a terrible season or gets injured.

Even though many riders over here train at Lommel there still wont be many collective teams strong enough to beat a US team of Villopoto, Dungey/Stewart and Barcia.
2strokerider 11/30/2011 1:57am
11/30/2011 1:57am Edited Date/Time 11/30/2011 2:02am
dv12.com wrote:
If the 2012 season goes according to the plan (RV, RD, JS being fast and healthy), the 250 rider for the USA will be again a...
If the 2012 season goes according to the plan (RV, RD, JS being fast and healthy), the 250 rider for the USA will be again a weak link... Would you think the AMA, Roger and Dungey would be ok to have RD5 ride a 250F in the deep sand of Lommel? He would be eligible because he won't be 23 yet by the time of the race...
I'd say barcia/ canard/dungey for the 250f ride. Definitely wouldnt risk baggett- I think he would struggle at lommel.

I'm expecting herlings to dominate both moto's but collectively the USA probably still have the best team, even at lommel! The interesting thing at lommel though, is even riders that are good there are more likely to crash/ make mistakes, so the chances of countries having bad moto's to count will be more than at any other track in the world (except maybe lierop)

I will be there at the trackside, i've not been to a des nations race since matterly in 06!!! Would not miss this one for the world!! We plan on going over there the week before for a few days riding in holland and belgium, then watch the des nations and back home!!! I think this ones going to be a classic!! Itll be a bit disappointing to not get to ride lommel this time, but we rode it 2 days in a row last time i was over (in september) so maybe wont miss it that much!! (its donkey work round there after a couple of days)

It would be amazing if anybody could get some inside info on where the americans were riding on the days leading up to the event? Like I said, we will be riding on the tracks around the belgian/ dutch border (eersel, reusel, hondaparc, lierop etc)

Do you think they will still take stewart DV? if he doesnt do the outdoors? I know he's a good sand rider, but surely it would make more sense to take canard, RV and dungey (assuming stewart isnt racing outdoors). If they did take him and he wasnt doing outdoors then I'd expect him to be fast- but he would struggle for fitness round there if he's not been doing outdoors!!

Do you think USA will even turn up?! they didnt go to lierop in 2004
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JB 19 11/30/2011 2:03am
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I've said this before........if you are trying to send the out right best team, you assemble the best team period. This is what we did in the 80's and 90's. Its why Jeff Ward rode a 125 in 88'....... Jeff Emig rode a 500 in 96' (who was the 250 outdoor champion in 96') ......among other examples.

If putting Dungey on a 250 is what makes the most compete team that's what you do.....maybe it means Canard riding the 250.....maybe some kid like Bogle will be killing it, who knows. I hate all the constraints that we put on the team structure now.
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burba437 11/30/2011 2:04am
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2strokerider wrote:
I'd say barcia/ canard/dungey for the 250f ride. Definitely wouldnt risk baggett- I think he would struggle at lommel. I'm expecting herlings to dominate both moto's...
I'd say barcia/ canard/dungey for the 250f ride. Definitely wouldnt risk baggett- I think he would struggle at lommel.

I'm expecting herlings to dominate both moto's but collectively the USA probably still have the best team, even at lommel! The interesting thing at lommel though, is even riders that are good there are more likely to crash/ make mistakes, so the chances of countries having bad moto's to count will be more than at any other track in the world (except maybe lierop)

I will be there at the trackside, i've not been to a des nations race since matterly in 06!!! Would not miss this one for the world!! We plan on going over there the week before for a few days riding in holland and belgium, then watch the des nations and back home!!! I think this ones going to be a classic!! Itll be a bit disappointing to not get to ride lommel this time, but we rode it 2 days in a row last time i was over (in september) so maybe wont miss it that much!! (its donkey work round there after a couple of days)

It would be amazing if anybody could get some inside info on where the americans were riding on the days leading up to the event? Like I said, we will be riding on the tracks around the belgian/ dutch border (eersel, reusel, hondaparc, lierop etc)

Do you think they will still take stewart DV? if he doesnt do the outdoors? I know he's a good sand rider, but surely it would make more sense to take canard, RV and dungey (assuming stewart isnt racing outdoors). If they did take him and he wasnt doing outdoors then I'd expect him to be fast- but he would struggle for fitness round there if he's not been doing outdoors!!

Do you think USA will even turn up?! they didnt go to lierop in 2004
sounds like stewarts racing outdoors this year and depends on his performance they will show up too
2strokerider 11/30/2011 2:05am
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paulspek wrote:
Doesn't matter who is on what bike, everyone is gonna get smoked by Herlings.
dv12.com wrote:
It's a team race not an individual race BRO... It might the only time in his life he will be able to beat the Americans BUT...
It's a team race not an individual race BRO... It might the only time in his life he will be able to beat the Americans BUT I would never bet against a Stewart and Villopoto even in Lommel.
paulspek wrote:
I don't think if everyone is healthy the USA needs to worry about the overall win, however i do think Herlings is gonna suprise a lot...
I don't think if everyone is healthy the USA needs to worry about the overall win, however i do think Herlings is gonna suprise a lot of you.

I really hope we are able to send our best team, Coldenhof, Herlings and de Reuver is a strong team if they are in form.
one good result from coldenhoff and you could do very well. De reuver has still got the skills- he looked very good at valkenswaard, it would be cool to see him at the front at a des nations race again (his ride at lierop in 04 was awesome) and we all know what herlings can do in the sand!!!

It might not be the fastest team that wins at lommel in 2012- on a track like that you are more likely to get riders crashing / making mistakes so it could go down to the team thats most consistent. Its gona be amazing, and i cant wait already!!!
2strokerider 11/30/2011 2:06am
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I'd say barcia/ canard/dungey for the 250f ride. Definitely wouldnt risk baggett- I think he would struggle at lommel. I'm expecting herlings to dominate both moto's...
I'd say barcia/ canard/dungey for the 250f ride. Definitely wouldnt risk baggett- I think he would struggle at lommel.

I'm expecting herlings to dominate both moto's but collectively the USA probably still have the best team, even at lommel! The interesting thing at lommel though, is even riders that are good there are more likely to crash/ make mistakes, so the chances of countries having bad moto's to count will be more than at any other track in the world (except maybe lierop)

I will be there at the trackside, i've not been to a des nations race since matterly in 06!!! Would not miss this one for the world!! We plan on going over there the week before for a few days riding in holland and belgium, then watch the des nations and back home!!! I think this ones going to be a classic!! Itll be a bit disappointing to not get to ride lommel this time, but we rode it 2 days in a row last time i was over (in september) so maybe wont miss it that much!! (its donkey work round there after a couple of days)

It would be amazing if anybody could get some inside info on where the americans were riding on the days leading up to the event? Like I said, we will be riding on the tracks around the belgian/ dutch border (eersel, reusel, hondaparc, lierop etc)

Do you think they will still take stewart DV? if he doesnt do the outdoors? I know he's a good sand rider, but surely it would make more sense to take canard, RV and dungey (assuming stewart isnt racing outdoors). If they did take him and he wasnt doing outdoors then I'd expect him to be fast- but he would struggle for fitness round there if he's not been doing outdoors!!

Do you think USA will even turn up?! they didnt go to lierop in 2004
burba437 wrote:
sounds like stewarts racing outdoors this year and depends on his performance they will show up too
I'll beleive it when I see it- stewarts been supposed to be racing the outdoors every year then backs out last minute!

I hope he does though

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2strokerider 11/30/2011 2:08am
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JB 19 wrote:
I've said this before........if you are trying to send the out right best team, you assemble the best team period. This is what we did in...
I've said this before........if you are trying to send the out right best team, you assemble the best team period. This is what we did in the 80's and 90's. Its why Jeff Ward rode a 125 in 88'....... Jeff Emig rode a 500 in 96' (who was the 250 outdoor champion in 96') ......among other examples.

If putting Dungey on a 250 is what makes the most compete team that's what you do.....maybe it means Canard riding the 250.....maybe some kid like Bogle will be killing it, who knows. I hate all the constraints that we put on the team structure now.
there should definitely be no mx2 age limit, it penalises most other countries more than the US each year!!!

Like you say, it would be the strongest team, regardless of age!!
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burba437 11/30/2011 2:09am
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2strokerider wrote:
I'll beleive it when I see it- stewarts been supposed to be racing the outdoors every year then backs out last minute! I hope he does...
I'll beleive it when I see it- stewarts been supposed to be racing the outdoors every year then backs out last minute!

I hope he does though
yea i know that but he try to run a few 2 years ago he found out he wasent ready and i think he just wasent ready this year but i think with jgr he can turn it around and stay healthy and run both but might be expecting a lot haha
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TY6 11/30/2011 2:20am
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I dont think it would be a smart move throwing Dungey onto a 250, he is definiely the best U.S sand rider; did anybody even watch Millville or Southwick? He killed it.
Barcia rides the sand awesome aswell, and i can also feel a lites nationals title from him in 2012. Also, i can't see Stewart making the team, he's not even capable of racing the required four AMA nationals!
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Gym Briggs 11/30/2011 2:24am
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TY6 wrote:
I dont think it would be a smart move throwing Dungey onto a 250, he is definiely the best U.S sand rider; did anybody even watch...
I dont think it would be a smart move throwing Dungey onto a 250, he is definiely the best U.S sand rider; did anybody even watch Millville or Southwick? He killed it.
Barcia rides the sand awesome aswell, and i can also feel a lites nationals title from him in 2012. Also, i can't see Stewart making the team, he's not even capable of racing the required four AMA nationals!
Can't see JS7 making the team? Are you serious? Wake up dude your head is shot! If he is healthy he will be there!
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Derpin' DJ 11/30/2011 2:31am
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I don't think you should downgrade a 450 rider. Barcia will be an excellent choice if he can keep his head straight this year. Bogle got a 4th at southwick this year, he could be a potential prospect if he performs this year.
2strokerider 11/30/2011 2:40am
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I'll beleive it when I see it- stewarts been supposed to be racing the outdoors every year then backs out last minute! I hope he does...
I'll beleive it when I see it- stewarts been supposed to be racing the outdoors every year then backs out last minute!

I hope he does though
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yea i know that but he try to run a few 2 years ago he found out he wasent ready and i think he just wasent...
yea i know that but he try to run a few 2 years ago he found out he wasent ready and i think he just wasent ready this year but i think with jgr he can turn it around and stay healthy and run both but might be expecting a lot haha
he just did one moto didnt he?! (when he rode at unadilla and finished 3rd to dungey and desalle in the first one, then 2nd one retired whilst mid pack)

thing is, james knows exactly what he has to do to get ready for the outdoors- all that training he's done with aldon baker, and the amount of time he has been racing at the top level. If he wants to get ready and do the outdoors, then he will!!!

I hope he does do the outdoors, I always look forward to that series alot more than the supercross. I think james will have his hands full with RV and co now though, after 2 years of not racing- the others are only getting faster, whilst he isnt!
2strokerider 11/30/2011 2:42am
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TY6 wrote:
I dont think it would be a smart move throwing Dungey onto a 250, he is definiely the best U.S sand rider; did anybody even watch...
I dont think it would be a smart move throwing Dungey onto a 250, he is definiely the best U.S sand rider; did anybody even watch Millville or Southwick? He killed it.
Barcia rides the sand awesome aswell, and i can also feel a lites nationals title from him in 2012. Also, i can't see Stewart making the team, he's not even capable of racing the required four AMA nationals!
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Can't see JS7 making the team? Are you serious? Wake up dude your head is shot! If he is healthy he will be there!
if he doesnt race outdoors, he shouldnt make the team! he would struggle at lommel if he wasnt 100% fit.
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paulspek 11/30/2011 3:05am
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Should we consider Kuwait a podium threat?

They should be able to ride a sand track or 2. Wink
TripleDigit 11/30/2011 3:15am
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Whatever team they send,USA will be favourites,it will be the individual battles that will be awesome to watch,Herlings will have a shit load of pressure on him,but I think he'll win,Italy could be a surprise if Cairoli,has 2 solid motos as Guarneri looked good last at the end season
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Fearo wrote:
Not to start an e-fight 10 months before the event, but what DV is saying is definitely the way to go. Those 3 are just superstars...
Not to start an e-fight 10 months before the event, but what DV is saying is definitely the way to go. Those 3 are just superstars, they can ride in anything. A top 250 rider on the other hand may be great but he will not hold a candle against the Europeans who practically all live in Lommel.

I agree with Paul though. Don't be surprised if Herlings wins both of his motos by 30 seconds on a 350 Wink .
Funny that u think js and rv and rd would get smoked by herlings.....js grew up in the sandbox....RC however is I believe the greatest sand rider of all time and undefeated at southwick....bring rc back for mxon...
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burba437 11/30/2011 3:34am
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he just did one moto didnt he?! (when he rode at unadilla and finished 3rd to dungey and desalle in the first one, then 2nd one...
he just did one moto didnt he?! (when he rode at unadilla and finished 3rd to dungey and desalle in the first one, then 2nd one retired whilst mid pack)

thing is, james knows exactly what he has to do to get ready for the outdoors- all that training he's done with aldon baker, and the amount of time he has been racing at the top level. If he wants to get ready and do the outdoors, then he will!!!

I hope he does do the outdoors, I always look forward to that series alot more than the supercross. I think james will have his hands full with RV and co now though, after 2 years of not racing- the others are only getting faster, whilst he isnt!
yea it was something like that then he went out and was to tired to race the rest of the race he was completely unprepared and with this year he was hurting from supercross and probably knew he wasent ready for this years moto season and if he acctually races the motocross season hes gonna have his work cut out for him to compete with villapoto reed and dungey
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TeamPropainTurbo38t wrote:
Funny that u think js and rv and rd would get smoked by herlings.....js grew up in the sandbox....RC however is I believe the greatest sand...
Funny that u think js and rv and rd would get smoked by herlings.....js grew up in the sandbox....RC however is I believe the greatest sand rider of all time and undefeated at southwick....bring rc back for mxon...
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