MX Parents

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 3:08pm
I just watched Inside Moto and Dean Wilson's father was talking and saying that sometimes its better to leave your kid alone and not tell him what to do because they already know what to do in MX. They need support in the early years but once they reach the National level they need to be on their own.
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croom mx
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11/25/2011 4:54pm
I see many Mx fathers and mothers over controling their kids, telling what lines to take etc?
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11/25/2011 4:56pm
Just like every kid is different.....every parent is different.

Some guys need that push and other do better without too much of it.
11/25/2011 5:00pm
My boy hates anyone telling him how to ride. Its almost funny. Hes smooth and safe doing it his way so its all good with me.
croom mx
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11/25/2011 5:19pm
My dad could not ride a MX bike so he never told me how to ride. I see parents who at most were C riders telling their National Pros how to ride. Most kids dont listen but , it conflicts with the rider.

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11/25/2011 5:22pm
as crazy as those parents are and even if they ruin it for their kids i dont feel bad for them.

my parents bought me one bike growing up (i bought my first with my own money lol) and im greatful for it..dont get me wrong....everytime i would go to tracks and see these kids with trailers and big rigs id be like damn..i was born into the wrong family haha. here i am with a rinky dink s-10 and a old 250 smoker while these kids have a practice and race 250f/450f
11/25/2011 5:56pm
My parents have not put a dime of their money towards my motocross life. Ive paid for all of my used two smokers with my money. I hate seeing spoiled little brats with 6 practice bikes and 2 race bikes when all i have is 1 do it all bike. Im just glad i am able to participate in the great sport of motocross. Who cares if my parents dont help me out, as long as im having fun on my dirtcycle.
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11/25/2011 6:30pm
croom mx wrote:
My dad could not ride a MX bike so he never told me how to ride. I see parents who at most were C riders telling...
My dad could not ride a MX bike so he never told me how to ride. I see parents who at most were C riders telling their National Pros how to ride. Most kids dont listen but , it conflicts with the rider.
Adam Cianciarulo's dad did not ride and he coaches his son constantly.
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11/25/2011 7:07pm
I have helped my son from the begining and we work good together because we respect each other and I NEVER ask for more then for him to do the best he can do. The funny thing is that now my son is way beyond where I ever was and I feel like I cant really be of any help to him anymore.So, I thought it would be a good idea to send him to South of the border MX to train down there. He went for a week and told me that although he liked the school and he really liked Jimmy Weinert he didnt like riding without me there and he felt like he didnt ride good at all without me.
So,,,, I went out and bought me a new 450 and now we ride together and I think it has helped both of us because although I have lost my speed I can still help him with picking lines. Plust there is nothing better then to be able to spend a day riding with your son.Grinning
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11/25/2011 8:13pm
I have seen both styles work.

I know a few riders who don't need to be told anything, even when they have a bad race, they know they had a bad race. They may ask questions like "Is so-and-so jumping that?" or "How is so-and-so doing that section?" but that's it. No coaching, no "pumping them up" and no real pressure.

Then I have seen the other side. One extreme was when I worked at Pepsi Air Dania in Ft Lauderdale, and the father of a very fast 65cc rider (LL's winner, who later became a pro) kept pushing him to jump this big triple, on a 65! It was a huge gap. He was yelling and screaming, to the point that we were about to get involved and tell the Dad to STFU because the kid was crying. Kid went out and hucked it, and after that he did it every lap, lap after lap. Couple weeks later I spoke to the Dad about that night and he said "I knew he could do it, he didn't know he could do it, so I had to push him over that barrier, and you now see it's no problem, and so does he."

Parents know their kids and they know what makes their kid respond and what makes them shut down.
It's hard to sit on the outside and make inside calls on people (kids) we really know little about.

There's always going to be dick parents, just like in any sport, you see it in pee-wee and high school football, Dad's living vicariously through their son's accomplishments and believing their boy is "the next big thing"
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11/25/2011 8:18pm
flarider wrote:
I have seen both styles work. I know a few riders who don't need to be told anything, even when they have a bad race, they...
I have seen both styles work.

I know a few riders who don't need to be told anything, even when they have a bad race, they know they had a bad race. They may ask questions like "Is so-and-so jumping that?" or "How is so-and-so doing that section?" but that's it. No coaching, no "pumping them up" and no real pressure.

Then I have seen the other side. One extreme was when I worked at Pepsi Air Dania in Ft Lauderdale, and the father of a very fast 65cc rider (LL's winner, who later became a pro) kept pushing him to jump this big triple, on a 65! It was a huge gap. He was yelling and screaming, to the point that we were about to get involved and tell the Dad to STFU because the kid was crying. Kid went out and hucked it, and after that he did it every lap, lap after lap. Couple weeks later I spoke to the Dad about that night and he said "I knew he could do it, he didn't know he could do it, so I had to push him over that barrier, and you now see it's no problem, and so does he."

Parents know their kids and they know what makes their kid respond and what makes them shut down.
It's hard to sit on the outside and make inside calls on people (kids) we really know little about.

There's always going to be dick parents, just like in any sport, you see it in pee-wee and high school football, Dad's living vicariously through their son's accomplishments and believing their boy is "the next big thing"
As nutty as the mini bike parents can be, they arent as bad as some other sports like Hockey...

there has been instances where parents have killed one another or assaulted other parents and got arrested..over an 11 year olds hockey game.
11/25/2011 10:41pm
When my son was younger I asked him all the time "so you want to try racing?" he always answered no. Now that he is older, he found out he really likes racing and is disappointed I didn't push him. But it could have gone the other way also, I encouraged my daughter to try more challenging stuff and after a big crash, she rode back to camp and she was done, she decided she would stick to PWCs. All kids require a differrent approach but some parents are just extreme. So now he's into dirt sports and she,s into water sports.
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11/25/2011 11:15pm
flarider wrote:
I have seen both styles work. I know a few riders who don't need to be told anything, even when they have a bad race, they...
I have seen both styles work.

I know a few riders who don't need to be told anything, even when they have a bad race, they know they had a bad race. They may ask questions like "Is so-and-so jumping that?" or "How is so-and-so doing that section?" but that's it. No coaching, no "pumping them up" and no real pressure.

Then I have seen the other side. One extreme was when I worked at Pepsi Air Dania in Ft Lauderdale, and the father of a very fast 65cc rider (LL's winner, who later became a pro) kept pushing him to jump this big triple, on a 65! It was a huge gap. He was yelling and screaming, to the point that we were about to get involved and tell the Dad to STFU because the kid was crying. Kid went out and hucked it, and after that he did it every lap, lap after lap. Couple weeks later I spoke to the Dad about that night and he said "I knew he could do it, he didn't know he could do it, so I had to push him over that barrier, and you now see it's no problem, and so does he."

Parents know their kids and they know what makes their kid respond and what makes them shut down.
It's hard to sit on the outside and make inside calls on people (kids) we really know little about.

There's always going to be dick parents, just like in any sport, you see it in pee-wee and high school football, Dad's living vicariously through their son's accomplishments and believing their boy is "the next big thing"
Spot on.....
People like to criticize from the outside looking in, with no real knowledge of the inner workings of the parent/kid relationship.
Live and let live
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11/26/2011 6:01am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2011 10:20am
If my kid makes it to that level, then I've done my job and it is time to let the experts take over. Yes, he wants me there for support and if that is what it is going to take to make him perform better, than so be it. It seems that alot of people voice subjective opinions without knowing what is going on between both the rider and the parent. It looks as if a Jason Lawrence can compete without a parent present where a Eli Tomac might need his father present. So, it depends on the family dynamic.
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11/26/2011 8:11am
I can't tell my kid too much, I can offer advice and hope! Every so often though he pulls a boner!

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jleews6 wrote:
I have helped my son from the begining and we work good together because we respect each other and I NEVER ask for more then for...
I have helped my son from the begining and we work good together because we respect each other and I NEVER ask for more then for him to do the best he can do. The funny thing is that now my son is way beyond where I ever was and I feel like I cant really be of any help to him anymore.So, I thought it would be a good idea to send him to South of the border MX to train down there. He went for a week and told me that although he liked the school and he really liked Jimmy Weinert he didnt like riding without me there and he felt like he didnt ride good at all without me.
So,,,, I went out and bought me a new 450 and now we ride together and I think it has helped both of us because although I have lost my speed I can still help him with picking lines. Plust there is nothing better then to be able to spend a day riding with your son.Grinning
Awesome story! I'm sure your kid loves riding with his dad. Cool
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11/26/2011 10:57am
Anonymous wrote:
I just watched Inside Moto and Dean Wilson's father was talking and saying that sometimes its better to leave your kid alone and not tell him...
I just watched Inside Moto and Dean Wilson's father was talking and saying that sometimes its better to leave your kid alone and not tell him what to do because they already know what to do in MX. They need support in the early years but once they reach the National level they need to be on their own.
My parents really only give me a little support in my racing because they hate it, I have been racing for 2 years now and I have gotten used to going to the races with friends and to the practice tracks,I guess it's almost a personal preference wether you want you parents there or not.
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11/26/2011 11:14am
My Dad took me riding twice and read the paper both times, no advice even though he rode for years. My oldest brother took me riding. He was a fast intermediate in the late 70's and early 80's. He never instructed me other than to say things like " try standing up a little more and it might help you". It suited me perfectly. I learned from watching him , videos and we seem to ride the same way. Even though he doesn't ride often he is alway one of the smoothest guys on the track, effortless looking.
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11/26/2011 11:33am
Parents know their kids and they know what makes their kid respond and what makes them shut down.


Make that "some" parents.
I've seen some really screwed thing. Like this guy who wants a kid to be an Olympic skier.
The guy is not married. He picks an egg donor based on some genetic traits and has a carrier artificially inseminated.
He then had the kid on ski before he could walk.
Fast forward a few years and he wants his now 4 year old to join an adult bump skiing clinic. The kid is not ready but his dad about has a tantrum because the head coach tells him it isn't going to happen.
From what I've heard he's had numerous runs in with the ski patrol at his home ski area. His behavior is basically child abuse. One particular day the kid is freezing, sitting in a snow in tears and that asshole is yelling at him to get his ass in gear. The patrol intervenes and he is threatening with a lawsuit.
Now don't tell me that guy knows his kid. He is just a fucked up guy who is doing his little science experiment.
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mjskier wrote:
[b]Parents know their kids and they know what makes their kid respond and what makes them shut down. [/b] Make that "[b]some[/b]" parents. I've seen some...
Parents know their kids and they know what makes their kid respond and what makes them shut down.


Make that "some" parents.
I've seen some really screwed thing. Like this guy who wants a kid to be an Olympic skier.
The guy is not married. He picks an egg donor based on some genetic traits and has a carrier artificially inseminated.
He then had the kid on ski before he could walk.
Fast forward a few years and he wants his now 4 year old to join an adult bump skiing clinic. The kid is not ready but his dad about has a tantrum because the head coach tells him it isn't going to happen.
From what I've heard he's had numerous runs in with the ski patrol at his home ski area. His behavior is basically child abuse. One particular day the kid is freezing, sitting in a snow in tears and that asshole is yelling at him to get his ass in gear. The patrol intervenes and he is threatening with a lawsuit.
Now don't tell me that guy knows his kid. He is just a fucked up guy who is doing his little science experiment.
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11/26/2011 12:36pm
jndmx wrote:
Just like every kid is different.....every parent is different.

Some guys need that push and other do better without too much of it.
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croom mx
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11/26/2011 12:46pm Edited Date/Time 11/26/2011 12:46pm
I think it good to teach your kids how to ride, that's not what this post is about, Its about about riders, who have learned to ride fast and reach the Pro level. Their parent's , need to let them alone to find out what's waiting for them.
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11/26/2011 12:51pm Edited Date/Time 11/26/2011 12:53pm
croom mx wrote:
I think it good to teach your kids how to ride, that's not what this post is about, Its about about riders, who have learned to...
I think it good to teach your kids how to ride, that's not what this post is about, Its about about riders, who have learned to ride fast and reach the Pro level. Their parent's , need to let them alone to find out what's waiting for them.
Not bashing my father, but i ride ALOT better when my grandfather or cousin brings me to the track. NOT bashing my father just saying what I've and other people have observed.

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