Luck and destiny or just luck makes a rider great??

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Edited Date/Time 1/23/2012 5:53pm
Which is it, or is it a combination of the two?? Given any two riders have the same amount of dedication and opportunities...is it pure luck one will become great and the other wont??
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GuyB 8/27/2009 1:48am
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Skill, desire, focus, equipment, and support all play into it. So does making good decisions on and off the track.

I don't think you can pick one attribute and have it work for everyone.
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Motodude 8/27/2009 2:00am
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GuyB wrote:
Skill, desire, focus, equipment, and support all play into it. So does making good decisions on and off the track. I don't think you can pick...
Skill, desire, focus, equipment, and support all play into it. So does making good decisions on and off the track.

I don't think you can pick one attribute and have it work for everyone.
So lets compare MA and RV....both had all the things you mention..obviously one is more successful than the other, SO FAR..although MA was more successful in amatuer ranks. So is it luck now or destiny or both from here on end?
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GuyB 8/27/2009 2:03am
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You're trying to answer the unanswerable question. Good luck with that. Smile
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Motodude 8/27/2009 2:43am
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GuyB wrote:
You're trying to answer the unanswerable question. Good luck with that. Smile
True...someone will be along soon to tell us one doesnt exist though.

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jackson222 8/27/2009 2:56am
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GuyB wrote:
Skill, desire, focus, equipment, and support all play into it. So does making good decisions on and off the track. I don't think you can pick...
Skill, desire, focus, equipment, and support all play into it. So does making good decisions on and off the track.

I don't think you can pick one attribute and have it work for everyone.
Motodude wrote:
So lets compare MA and RV....both had all the things you mention..obviously one is more successful than the other, SO FAR..although MA was more successful in...
So lets compare MA and RV....both had all the things you mention..obviously one is more successful than the other, SO FAR..although MA was more successful in amatuer ranks. So is it luck now or destiny or both from here on end?
Not trying to knock mike but i think he has made his own bad luck with decisions on and off the track in the past and things havent come together perfectly for him yet. But regardless he is an excellent rider.
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motokiwi 8/27/2009 4:30am
8/27/2009 4:30am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:48am
Just my 2 cents:

The thing that separates a national level champ from an also ran at top level is brainpower / planning ability and desire.


Brainpower & planning ability: Means studying everything possible that can give you a competitive advantage and then making a good innovative PLAN to incorporate those tips into training and racing, with the goal of being a CHAMP.


Desire: It seems only those riders with super high desire have the dedication to make a plan and stick to it


I bet these riders have a good innovative PLAN and stick to it:

Stewart

RC

Villipoto

Dungey

Barcia

Townley

Everts

Cairoli

Pourcel


Its the same formula people use to be a champ at ANYTHING in life

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Motodude 8/27/2009 4:51am
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motokiwi wrote:
Just my 2 cents: The thing that separates a national level champ from an also ran at top level is brainpower / planning ability and desire...
Just my 2 cents:

The thing that separates a national level champ from an also ran at top level is brainpower / planning ability and desire.


Brainpower & planning ability: Means studying everything possible that can give you a competitive advantage and then making a good innovative PLAN to incorporate those tips into training and racing, with the goal of being a CHAMP.


Desire: It seems only those riders with super high desire have the dedication to make a plan and stick to it


I bet these riders have a good innovative PLAN and stick to it:

Stewart

RC

Villipoto

Dungey

Barcia

Townley

Everts

Cairoli

Pourcel


Its the same formula people use to be a champ at ANYTHING in life

Not Reed?? bloody kiwi's. CR is one of the smartest off track pro's there is. BT's choice to dump the GP and ride in the US was one of the more tragic in years.
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mccread 8/27/2009 5:05am
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I think good decisions regards ur team, people around u, on track decisions, plus ambition and dedication are a huge part of it and handling pressure., plus being a good starter is crucial.

I think there are many riders who have the same skill on a bike but it is everything else mentioned that needs to work to be champion.
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ehr400 8/27/2009 5:14am
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Don't forget work ethic either. I think that is the most important. There have been lots of champions over the years who werent the most naturally gifted riders but they worked very hard to get where to achieve success. Example:

Doug Henry
Jeff STanton
Rick Johnson
Bob Hannah

I am sure there are more from bith sides of the pond but you know what i mean.
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RC was never the most talented rider... Yet look what his work ethic and drive got him. You just have to have all the things aligned and working for "you" some riders are different than others. Surrounding yourself with the right people for you is the most important thing, you can not do your job if a co worker is an asshole can you? And WANTING it is really the only other thing, if you want it bad enough you will do whatever you can to win.
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Motodude 8/27/2009 5:49am
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DeeDub wrote:
RC was never the most talented rider... Yet look what his work ethic and drive got him. You just have to have all the things aligned...
RC was never the most talented rider... Yet look what his work ethic and drive got him. You just have to have all the things aligned and working for "you" some riders are different than others. Surrounding yourself with the right people for you is the most important thing, you can not do your job if a co worker is an asshole can you? And WANTING it is really the only other thing, if you want it bad enough you will do whatever you can to win.
Are you kidding? It takes huge talent to twist the throttle and hang on like that, it just wasnt so pretty at times. Dont confuse talent with good style.
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DeeDub 8/27/2009 5:52am
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I didnt say he didnt have talent, slow down and read. I said he wasn't the most talented rider. He's said it himself.... Obviously the dude has skill... Sorry you took that wrong.
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motokiwi 8/27/2009 5:53am
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motokiwi wrote:
Just my 2 cents: The thing that separates a national level champ from an also ran at top level is brainpower / planning ability and desire...
Just my 2 cents:

The thing that separates a national level champ from an also ran at top level is brainpower / planning ability and desire.


Brainpower & planning ability: Means studying everything possible that can give you a competitive advantage and then making a good innovative PLAN to incorporate those tips into training and racing, with the goal of being a CHAMP.


Desire: It seems only those riders with super high desire have the dedication to make a plan and stick to it


I bet these riders have a good innovative PLAN and stick to it:

Stewart

RC

Villipoto

Dungey

Barcia

Townley

Everts

Cairoli

Pourcel


Its the same formula people use to be a champ at ANYTHING in life

Motodude wrote:
Not Reed?? bloody kiwi's. CR is one of the smartest off track pro's there is. BT's choice to dump the GP and ride in the US...
Not Reed?? bloody kiwi's. CR is one of the smartest off track pro's there is. BT's choice to dump the GP and ride in the US was one of the more tragic in years.
Reed has only been in it for the money since he switched from 250 2stroke to 450 4stroke
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Dean 8/27/2009 7:17am
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GuyB wrote:
Skill, desire, focus, equipment, and support all play into it. So does making good decisions on and off the track. I don't think you can pick...
Skill, desire, focus, equipment, and support all play into it. So does making good decisions on and off the track.

I don't think you can pick one attribute and have it work for everyone.
Motodude wrote:
So lets compare MA and RV....both had all the things you mention..obviously one is more successful than the other, SO FAR..although MA was more successful in...
So lets compare MA and RV....both had all the things you mention..obviously one is more successful than the other, SO FAR..although MA was more successful in amatuer ranks. So is it luck now or destiny or both from here on end?
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8/27/2009 7:29am Edited Date/Time 8/27/2009 7:29am
GuyB wrote:
Skill, desire, focus, equipment, and support all play into it. So does making good decisions on and off the track. I don't think you can pick...
Skill, desire, focus, equipment, and support all play into it. So does making good decisions on and off the track.

I don't think you can pick one attribute and have it work for everyone.
Motodude wrote:
So lets compare MA and RV....both had all the things you mention..obviously one is more successful than the other, SO FAR..although MA was more successful in...
So lets compare MA and RV....both had all the things you mention..obviously one is more successful than the other, SO FAR..although MA was more successful in amatuer ranks. So is it luck now or destiny or both from here on end?
You create your own destiny. That being said I would rather be lucky than good. How many "good" lottery players have you heard of?
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RC said it himself,"you make your own luck". He was one of the hardest working racers out there. Always rose to the occasion to come out on top. Definitely not as fast as James at times but always smarter. Got beat by Reed quite a bit as well but never lost a C/ship. Sat out one SX season to get a knee fixed and recover and then went 24 for 24 outdoors the same year didn't he? Kept coming back year after year and never gave up or sat out a race or moto claiming to be injured and we all saw the pics of the ankle at GH. Tough little fucker he was.

And then sometimes it just helps to be in the right place at the right time or who you know. Lots of upcoming talent throughout the years that has never been heard of again once turning pro.
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Motodude 8/28/2009 3:29pm
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motokiwi wrote:
Just my 2 cents: The thing that separates a national level champ from an also ran at top level is brainpower / planning ability and desire...
Just my 2 cents:

The thing that separates a national level champ from an also ran at top level is brainpower / planning ability and desire.


Brainpower & planning ability: Means studying everything possible that can give you a competitive advantage and then making a good innovative PLAN to incorporate those tips into training and racing, with the goal of being a CHAMP.


Desire: It seems only those riders with super high desire have the dedication to make a plan and stick to it


I bet these riders have a good innovative PLAN and stick to it:

Stewart

RC

Villipoto

Dungey

Barcia

Townley

Everts

Cairoli

Pourcel


Its the same formula people use to be a champ at ANYTHING in life

Motodude wrote:
Not Reed?? bloody kiwi's. CR is one of the smartest off track pro's there is. BT's choice to dump the GP and ride in the US...
Not Reed?? bloody kiwi's. CR is one of the smartest off track pro's there is. BT's choice to dump the GP and ride in the US was one of the more tragic in years.
motokiwi wrote:
Reed has only been in it for the money since he switched from 250 2stroke to 450 4stroke
Since he switched from 2 smoke to boat anchor? Matey EVERYONE had to do that, it was called a rule change. And if a top pro rider isnt in it for the dough he wouldnt be worth is salt, pro = get paid to race.

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