LL's Qualifiers

lfelderman1
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Edited Date/Time 3/4/2013 6:51pm
i would like to know how many people think its right, that just because you have money you should be able to go to every area qualifier you want to drive to, until you get in., i know the way the econemy is, the biggest majority of pure talent racers that dont have alot of money arnt making it to the nationals, but the ones that have rich parents, so they can ride all the time and travel everywhere are making it . know im not saying the ones that do make it dont have talent, i'm not saying that at all. because your always going to have certain kids that are going to make it no matter what, or where they race.
but i myself and alot of other parents think if you dont qualify in your area, you just dont go, because every region has enough area qualifiers to try and make in to your own region. HINTS if your not from the southeast region, you dont get to race the southeast region, if your not from the north central region, you dont get to race the north central region. get more of a veriety of riders from all over the country at the nationals instead of 75% of the riders bieng from the southern states, EXAMPLE I have a friend that did not make it in the 250 b mod class a few years back at his regional, he got 8th, and they took 6 riders from the regional, 4 of the riders that finished ahead of him where from the southern states they where not from the same region. they sent in an allternet form and money and he got in, he went to LL's raced and finished top 20 all three motos, he was not a top runner, but did good for his first time going there.
I can somewhat understand having allternate forms, because your always going to have some kids get hurt before the nationals, and then some non qualifiers get in, but my friends finishes at LL's proves, that everyone that makes it there, arn't always the best or the fastest riders
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8/23/2011 10:16pm
While this is not a bad idea it will never happen because the more people that do this the more money the AMA makes if a kid goes to 7 different regions instead of just his then the AMA makes 7 more gate fee's 7 more entry fee's and if he rides the practice day then 7 more practice fees and you probably have 25-30 kids that do that a year if you take that away the AMA will make wayy less money and I don't see it happening.
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8/23/2011 10:23pm
kripple428 wrote:
While this is not a bad idea it will never happen because the more people that do this the more money the AMA makes if a...
While this is not a bad idea it will never happen because the more people that do this the more money the AMA makes if a kid goes to 7 different regions instead of just his then the AMA makes 7 more gate fee's 7 more entry fee's and if he rides the practice day then 7 more practice fees and you probably have 25-30 kids that do that a year if you take that away the AMA will make wayy less money and I don't see it happening.
yeah, but there are alot of talented kids that dont go try to qualify, because they know that is the way it is, and there will be a ton of kids from the southern states that ride can ride 3 or 4 more months a year. if it would change there will be other kids to take there place, knowing that they might actually have a chance
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8/23/2011 10:25pm
This one should be good........
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8/23/2011 10:36pm
Is LL's about the fastest kids in the country racing against each other?? or the 8 or so fastest kid living in each area racing against the 8 fastest kids from every other area??

Because based on the logic of some areas can only ride a few months of the year than you are going to get a slower group of residents from that area, and you will then have a whole heap of really fast kids from California and Florida who ride year round that are not able to go because they finished 9th in there area, even though they would lap the 5th placed kid from the north.

Am i getting this right??

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8/23/2011 10:47pm
haydos25 wrote:
Is LL's about the fastest kids in the country racing against each other?? or the 8 or so fastest kid living in each area racing against...
Is LL's about the fastest kids in the country racing against each other?? or the 8 or so fastest kid living in each area racing against the 8 fastest kids from every other area??

Because based on the logic of some areas can only ride a few months of the year than you are going to get a slower group of residents from that area, and you will then have a whole heap of really fast kids from California and Florida who ride year round that are not able to go because they finished 9th in there area, even though they would lap the 5th placed kid from the north.

Am i getting this right??
What's wrong with you man?

Racing isn't about putting the fastest riders out there to see who wins.......it's about everybody getting a chance.
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Need to order 40 trophies for each class next year too.....
8/23/2011 10:47pm
its all about money.
but just because someone goes to many different qualifiers or regionals doesnt mean all those spots are taken. what i mean is. say joey hotshoe races 2 regionals, and qualifies in both regionals for the same classes, that then opens up a slot for a 9th place guy to get in. i know of someone that qualified in 11th at a regional and still got in.
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8/23/2011 10:54pm
haydos25 wrote:
Is LL's about the fastest kids in the country racing against each other?? or the 8 or so fastest kid living in each area racing against...
Is LL's about the fastest kids in the country racing against each other?? or the 8 or so fastest kid living in each area racing against the 8 fastest kids from every other area??

Because based on the logic of some areas can only ride a few months of the year than you are going to get a slower group of residents from that area, and you will then have a whole heap of really fast kids from California and Florida who ride year round that are not able to go because they finished 9th in there area, even though they would lap the 5th placed kid from the north.

Am i getting this right??
no, i dont think that just because you can run 9th down south that you can lap fast riders from the north, it has always amazed me at how some, not all, but some kids can really increase there speed in just a couple laps of racing with faster kids, they may not beat them, but alot of the time they can end up running with them, and in motocross you not only have to be good, you have to have good starts and just put in good smooth motos, anything can happen to anyone, and any machine at any time, so a little luck goes along ways. so no i dont think you would actually have a slower class of riders just a different class from the regions they actually live in. just cause your from the north does not mean your slow.
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8/23/2011 10:57pm
Each rider should have two chances for each class to qualify for Loretta's. To make sure they aren't going to every qualifier they can, have two designated days out of the year that are qualifiers for Loretta's. You get two chances per class, and if you can't do it then, you're out because now you reached your limit and also there are no more qualifiers. This would solve that problem immediately. However, most people want to see the best riders lining up at Loretta's, no matter where they're from. There will always be two sides to this coin. It's a tricky subject.
8/23/2011 10:59pm
wow. a 10-dnf score at washougal regional gets you a spot at the ranch. am i reading this correctly? only had 12 guys in 450A. wtf?
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its all about money. but just because someone goes to many different qualifiers or regionals doesnt mean all those spots are taken. what i mean is...
its all about money.
but just because someone goes to many different qualifiers or regionals doesnt mean all those spots are taken. what i mean is. say joey hotshoe races 2 regionals, and qualifies in both regionals for the same classes, that then opens up a slot for a 9th place guy to get in. i know of someone that qualified in 11th at a regional and still got in.
yeah , that is true, but on that same note. i have been at regionals where joey hotshoe has already qualified somwhere else. whent ahead and was qualifing again at another one in the same class, was running towards the front, swaped out whent down and took out a couple of kids that should have made it, but because of that crash there overall was not good enough, that is another reason why i wanted some input on this. i do not whant to get anyone worked up over it. because im sure it will never change. it is all about the money.
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8/23/2011 11:29pm
TDeath21 wrote:
Each rider should have two chances for each class to qualify for Loretta's. To make sure they aren't going to every qualifier they can, have two...
Each rider should have two chances for each class to qualify for Loretta's. To make sure they aren't going to every qualifier they can, have two designated days out of the year that are qualifiers for Loretta's. You get two chances per class, and if you can't do it then, you're out because now you reached your limit and also there are no more qualifiers. This would solve that problem immediately. However, most people want to see the best riders lining up at Loretta's, no matter where they're from. There will always be two sides to this coin. It's a tricky subject.
i agree it is a tricky subject, i have had so many people asking me what i think about it , i just thaught i would post it to see what other people i dont know and talk to think. i do like the idea of 2 chances to make it. if you dont then you dont. my son did not race for about a year and a half, started again this year, we where only going to try one area qualifier, he crashed and they thaught he broke his hip, think god that it was not that bad, he wanted to try one more. still in our area he qualified, whent to our regional, first moto he was running in a qualified spot, 3rd corner into the last lap he got it to someone else whent down and lost his chance. we did not worry about it. he was mad, but it was the whole thing of him thinking he let me down that upset me.
8/23/2011 11:42pm Edited Date/Time 8/23/2011 11:44pm
Damn, who's this Joey Hotshoe kid? Sounds fast. Is that a German surname?
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8/24/2011 12:42am
America is one country.
Loretta's is in America.
The championship decides the best riders in America.
That's why it's called a National championship.

If it was a regional championship, then having people from the south entering into the northern regional championship would be wrong..... but it isn't. All the qualifiers do is give people the chance to get to the main show and if you're good enough, you get in.
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8/24/2011 3:09am
Simple solution..Run the regionals, All on the same weekend. Been saying that for years,,I wonder what DC has to say about this..
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8/24/2011 4:08am
Fleece192 wrote:
Simple solution..Run the regionals, All on the same weekend. Been saying that for years,,I wonder what DC has to say about this..
While that would make perfect sense, it would also hit MXSports in their wallet, so that will NEVER happen.
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8/24/2011 4:12am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2011 5:42am
This thread is proof that in this sport, every time you think you have heard every possible petty complaint some people can still pull a rabbit out of a hat and completely amaze you.

The most surprising thing about this is that there are actually people out there that seem to think that if a rider disappears from a race (the one that had already qualified) that there will just be an empty physical spot where that rider would have been.

Maybe in an "allternate" universe, but in this one, there will be some crazy nut that fills the void and does a 4th gear block pass on your guy.
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8/24/2011 5:28am
I thought everything was about the birthday?
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8/24/2011 5:44am
ayearinmx wrote:
America is one country. Loretta's is in America. The championship decides the best riders in America. That's why it's called a National championship. If it was...
America is one country.
Loretta's is in America.
The championship decides the best riders in America.
That's why it's called a National championship.

If it was a regional championship, then having people from the south entering into the northern regional championship would be wrong..... but it isn't. All the qualifiers do is give people the chance to get to the main show and if you're good enough, you get in.
i agree it is 0ne country. but then why even seperate it into different regions, they even say they have the fastest riders from how many different regions
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8/24/2011 5:53am
No one has mentioned the track owners that put on the quailifiers. I am sure they enjoy the extra revenue.
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JustMX wrote:
This thread is proof that in this sport, every time you think you have heard every possible petty complaint some people can still pull a rabbit...
This thread is proof that in this sport, every time you think you have heard every possible petty complaint some people can still pull a rabbit out of a hat and completely amaze you.

The most surprising thing about this is that there are actually people out there that seem to think that if a rider disappears from a race (the one that had already qualified) that there will just be an empty physical spot where that rider would have been.

Maybe in an "allternate" universe, but in this one, there will be some crazy nut that fills the void and does a 4th gear block pass on your guy.
if this was such a petty complaint. then why is there so many people that agree. and so many people that get all bent out of shampe about it. bet you can figure out, that the people that can afford to go to every region are usually the ones that get bent out of shape. when someone brings it up. LL's was not started about making money, it was started ,to find out who the fast kids in the country where, and that is why they seperated the regions, the money is however the reason why the regions are not really seperated, eventhough they say they are
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8/24/2011 5:59am
markmon88 wrote:
No one has mentioned the track owners that put on the quailifiers. I am sure they enjoy the extra revenue.
OH for sure.
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8/24/2011 6:06am
I think some people ought to worry more about making it to English class than Loretta's...
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8/24/2011 6:09am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2011 6:10am
Your argument isn't about finding the fastest kid in the country though.... you don't want that. You want to find the fastest kids in your region, and then hope that they are good enough when they reach Loretta's.

The way they run it now finds the fastest kids in the country because it gives multiple opportunities for those fast kids to qualify. The more qualifying you have, the more chance you have of weeding out the fluke results or engine malfunctions, or injuries... by limiting qualification (your suggestion) you allow those flukes to appear

i have no dog in this fight, but your argument is flawed if you truly do want to see the fastest kids from the whole country race each other
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8/24/2011 6:24am
bt260 wrote:
I think some people ought to worry more about making it to English class than Loretta's...
This isn't Motodrive, grammer and spelling don't count anymore. Get with the program.
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8/24/2011 6:27am
If your intent is making to the ranch you better be prepared to have a back up region in the event of mechanical failure, crash or some other bad luck. LL is the the largest amateur race in the world not everyone can afford it or not everyone is fast enough to make and that is what makes it special. If you think your rider deserves to be there than you better prepare to spend some money to get there.
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I went 1-DNF and made it in
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rocrac wrote:
If your intent is making to the ranch you better be prepared to have a back up region in the event of mechanical failure, crash or...
If your intent is making to the ranch you better be prepared to have a back up region in the event of mechanical failure, crash or some other bad luck. LL is the the largest amateur race in the world not everyone can afford it or not everyone is fast enough to make and that is what makes it special. If you think your rider deserves to be there than you better prepare to spend some money to get there.
Well said, and pretty good grammar and spelling, too!Laughing
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8/24/2011 6:45am
No matter how many area or regionals a rider rides, they only get 2 class spots at LL's.

If you ride an area, and a regional, while finishing relatively close to a qualifying spot, it's very likely you are going to qulaify and attend the finals.

As mentioned in the initial post, that friend of the poster finished 8th, they took 6, and he made it in as an alternate.

If you've been through the process, and raced at LL's you'll most likely see the process works. If you have questions, MX Sports is very available to answer them if asked in a reasonable manner. If you have the money, and want to travel around to multiple area and regional events, more power to you. It's been going on as long as the race has been in existance.

There are about .05% of the riders in America that can make something happen at Loretta's to positively impact their racing career. For the rest of us it's a great moto vacation. Take some time and enjoy it along the way.
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8/24/2011 6:50am
What do a foreign rider have to do to go to LL? Let`s say it`s a 14 years old kid, riding 85cc. What are the chances for that kid to rent a decent ktm bike in USA, and how much that would cost?
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8/24/2011 6:50am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2011 6:52am
What do I think about it? I think the program works pretty good as it is right now -- the same way it's worked for 30 years. And having all of the regionals on the same day would be tough on people like Team Green who sponsor riders all over the country. The object is to get the 42 fastest riders per class in the finals, and it seems to be working well in that regard. Sometimes there are hiccups and snafus, but I think that's the case with every big event program.

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