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I have. I'm going to share some personal info that I normally wouldn't broadcast over the internet. I'm anonymous so what the hell(I've been around the boards for 10 years used to post under my real name), hopefully I can provide a cautionary tale as well as tell it like it is.
I'm in my mid 20's, have a bachelor's in political science from ASU and a terrible drug problem. I've raced moto my whole life until 3 years ago when a bad overdose(heroin and coke) left me in a wheelchair. After 6 months of physical therapy I could walk with the assistance of a walker and within a year i could walk on my own. I used moto as my motivation through all the PT, walking was secondary to riding! Although to this day I still can't run or jump. I have held good jobs as a travel agent making considerably more than my peers. I still had a good job until a year and a half ago I was laid off. I had relapsed by then and was worse off than I ever was, I made it to work on time and wore a shirt and tie to work everyday so appearances were good. I was a mess though. I used my fairly large severance check to "make some investments in the streets".
Those investments eventually paid off! In the form of 5 months at the world famous maricopa county jail! Honestly 5 months was not bad for what they could have gotten me for, but in the end they could only convict based on the evidence. So october 1st a joint Phoenix/ Gilbert PD team kicked my door in and booked me. They threatened me with years and years of prison time but i just exercised my fifth amendment rights.
Jail began with 72 hours at the 4th avenue booking facility. Which might have been the most miserable experience of my life. It would have been a lot more bearable if I wasn't in full blown opiate withdrawals from a daily dose that could kill 20 people of my same size. Picture the worst stomach flu ever, cold sweats, entire body aches and an overwhelming desire to sleep but being completely unable to do so. All while in freezing cold holding cells without enough space to even lay down. Oh and your 2 meals for the day consist of 2 stale loafs of bread, peanut butter that will have you licking your jowls like a dog for an hour and the most rotten citrus ever. I eventually was placed in the Durango jail where I would remain until sentenced.
Durango is a shithole. It is a condemned building due to asbestos in the ceiling. Which to be honest after all the shit I put in my body is not a big deal. They crammed 4 of us into a 2 man cell due to overcrowding, luckily I was not placed in one of the "warehouses" which were large dormitories with rows of bunks 3 high. They were originally constructed as gyms or other recreation areas, which were no longer needed because recreation must have been phased out years ago. I went months without being exposed to direct sunlight or fresh air. I've never seen so many people so excited to go to prison! After an inmate was sentenced they would be so happy you'd think they are being released, but it turns out they are going upstate for like ten years.
I believe that I deserved to be there I committed some serious felonies. But what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Granted most there were guilty like a mofo, but let's just say 1 out of 10 were innocent. Two meals a day, one morning meal consisting of the wonderful build your own sandwich kit described above. The other was simply known as slop. Slop is the mandatory hot meal served it is a 800 calorie, bare sustenance blend of some old meat and a few vegetables thrown in for color. Again I deserved the shitty treatment but what about the people that are just there because they can't afford to bond out to fight their case? Or the people who just owe traffic fines?
Maybe I didn't mind the terrible food so much because I always had money for commissary. I had some money put away when I went in so I was able to order the maximum amount of store($125 a week) every week. I actually only ate 2 bites of the slop the whole time I was there, one time to try it and once towards the end to see if it was still terrible. I would rather starve than eat that shit! And I starved on a couple of occasions, sometimes I would lose a lot on poker. Which was the best thing to do to pass the time, that and bet on sports seeing as espn2 is the only channel we got.
I ended up getting into a fight. I don't like to fight but I had to. You CANNOT let anyone call you a punk or bitch. If you let someone slide on that you will lose all respect and recognition of basic human dignity. If you let that slide people will walk all over you and in jail all you have is your respect and your word. So this juggalo(insane clown possey follower, don't even get me started on these losers, there seems to be a lot of these guys behind bars) called me out and we went to the bano(spanish for bathroom). I actually worked him over pretty good which surprised me, I hadn't been in a fight in like ten years. Well I worked him over too good because there was blood all over the bathroom and his clothes and my fists. The detention officer came in before we had a chance to clean up all the blood and after a little investigation I was thrown in the hole. I was remanded there for 15 days the first 7 of which I was alone in a cell for 23 hours a day. The only human being I had contact with was the med nurse, who was gorgeous btw. I eventually got a cell mate but that was after hours on end of singing at the top of my lungs. I was alone and there's only so much time you have light to read. I sang a lot of Ke$ha(wake up in the mornin feelin like p-diddy) I don't know if that kept me sane or it was a symptom of my insanity.
I was finally sentenced on december 15th. Total term was 5 months with credit for 2 1/2 months served. I was now headed to the tents. AKA the forced labor camps. The tents is where inmates that were found guilty are housed. With sentencing comes a little more freedom, the day room is open 24 hours a day, lockdown only for headcount, and you are outside, which no matter how cold it got is better than the stale Durango air. There was a vast range in the severity of the crimes of inmates. Ranging from armed robbery to unpaid traffic fines and child support.
Throughout my stay in jail there was a wide range of basic human rights being withheld and even abuse by the guards. But I won't dwell on it because that kind of thing is to be expected in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's jails. My main problem was the treatment of those who were potentially innocent and the harsh conditions those who committed the most minor infractions were subjected to. Conditions like forced labor, seven days a week, 10 hours a day, no holidays off. If you refused to work you were sent to the hole. I had pneumonia and it took 10 days just to see a nurse! Even after seeing the medical staff and getting a note to excuse me from work the guard still tried to force me to go to work. When I got out I went to the ER because I still had trouble breathing and they kept me for 4 days for observation! The hospital staff were amazed that the jail didn't get me proper treatment.
They say they make jail tough to persuade inmates into not coming back. To be honest it did not have that effect on me. If anything I've come out more hardened, now I know I can do the hardest time. Anything else has to be better. Fear of going back has nothing to do with why I am changing my life.
I was released march 2nd . I had to stay at a sober living house for the last couple weeks. I finally have my own place. I hate to say it but being incarcerated was the best thing to happen to me in a long time. I had tried rehab a couple of times but the key to a successful recovery from drugs is an extended time away from them. 28 days just isn't enough time. The amount of time away from drugs exponentially increases your odds of success. I didn't learn a lesson in jail, I already knew what I was doing was wrong, I didn't need the state of Arizona to shove that down my throat. I had a lot of time for deep introspection. I reevaluated where I was going with my life, identified what had to change and developed a plan to change. There's too much I want out of life to just piss away my short time here looking for the next cheap thrill. I am hungry for life now...
I'm in my mid 20's, have a bachelor's in political science from ASU and a terrible drug problem. I've raced moto my whole life until 3 years ago when a bad overdose(heroin and coke) left me in a wheelchair. After 6 months of physical therapy I could walk with the assistance of a walker and within a year i could walk on my own. I used moto as my motivation through all the PT, walking was secondary to riding! Although to this day I still can't run or jump. I have held good jobs as a travel agent making considerably more than my peers. I still had a good job until a year and a half ago I was laid off. I had relapsed by then and was worse off than I ever was, I made it to work on time and wore a shirt and tie to work everyday so appearances were good. I was a mess though. I used my fairly large severance check to "make some investments in the streets".
Those investments eventually paid off! In the form of 5 months at the world famous maricopa county jail! Honestly 5 months was not bad for what they could have gotten me for, but in the end they could only convict based on the evidence. So october 1st a joint Phoenix/ Gilbert PD team kicked my door in and booked me. They threatened me with years and years of prison time but i just exercised my fifth amendment rights.
Jail began with 72 hours at the 4th avenue booking facility. Which might have been the most miserable experience of my life. It would have been a lot more bearable if I wasn't in full blown opiate withdrawals from a daily dose that could kill 20 people of my same size. Picture the worst stomach flu ever, cold sweats, entire body aches and an overwhelming desire to sleep but being completely unable to do so. All while in freezing cold holding cells without enough space to even lay down. Oh and your 2 meals for the day consist of 2 stale loafs of bread, peanut butter that will have you licking your jowls like a dog for an hour and the most rotten citrus ever. I eventually was placed in the Durango jail where I would remain until sentenced.
Durango is a shithole. It is a condemned building due to asbestos in the ceiling. Which to be honest after all the shit I put in my body is not a big deal. They crammed 4 of us into a 2 man cell due to overcrowding, luckily I was not placed in one of the "warehouses" which were large dormitories with rows of bunks 3 high. They were originally constructed as gyms or other recreation areas, which were no longer needed because recreation must have been phased out years ago. I went months without being exposed to direct sunlight or fresh air. I've never seen so many people so excited to go to prison! After an inmate was sentenced they would be so happy you'd think they are being released, but it turns out they are going upstate for like ten years.
I believe that I deserved to be there I committed some serious felonies. But what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Granted most there were guilty like a mofo, but let's just say 1 out of 10 were innocent. Two meals a day, one morning meal consisting of the wonderful build your own sandwich kit described above. The other was simply known as slop. Slop is the mandatory hot meal served it is a 800 calorie, bare sustenance blend of some old meat and a few vegetables thrown in for color. Again I deserved the shitty treatment but what about the people that are just there because they can't afford to bond out to fight their case? Or the people who just owe traffic fines?
Maybe I didn't mind the terrible food so much because I always had money for commissary. I had some money put away when I went in so I was able to order the maximum amount of store($125 a week) every week. I actually only ate 2 bites of the slop the whole time I was there, one time to try it and once towards the end to see if it was still terrible. I would rather starve than eat that shit! And I starved on a couple of occasions, sometimes I would lose a lot on poker. Which was the best thing to do to pass the time, that and bet on sports seeing as espn2 is the only channel we got.
I ended up getting into a fight. I don't like to fight but I had to. You CANNOT let anyone call you a punk or bitch. If you let someone slide on that you will lose all respect and recognition of basic human dignity. If you let that slide people will walk all over you and in jail all you have is your respect and your word. So this juggalo(insane clown possey follower, don't even get me started on these losers, there seems to be a lot of these guys behind bars) called me out and we went to the bano(spanish for bathroom). I actually worked him over pretty good which surprised me, I hadn't been in a fight in like ten years. Well I worked him over too good because there was blood all over the bathroom and his clothes and my fists. The detention officer came in before we had a chance to clean up all the blood and after a little investigation I was thrown in the hole. I was remanded there for 15 days the first 7 of which I was alone in a cell for 23 hours a day. The only human being I had contact with was the med nurse, who was gorgeous btw. I eventually got a cell mate but that was after hours on end of singing at the top of my lungs. I was alone and there's only so much time you have light to read. I sang a lot of Ke$ha(wake up in the mornin feelin like p-diddy) I don't know if that kept me sane or it was a symptom of my insanity.
I was finally sentenced on december 15th. Total term was 5 months with credit for 2 1/2 months served. I was now headed to the tents. AKA the forced labor camps. The tents is where inmates that were found guilty are housed. With sentencing comes a little more freedom, the day room is open 24 hours a day, lockdown only for headcount, and you are outside, which no matter how cold it got is better than the stale Durango air. There was a vast range in the severity of the crimes of inmates. Ranging from armed robbery to unpaid traffic fines and child support.
Throughout my stay in jail there was a wide range of basic human rights being withheld and even abuse by the guards. But I won't dwell on it because that kind of thing is to be expected in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's jails. My main problem was the treatment of those who were potentially innocent and the harsh conditions those who committed the most minor infractions were subjected to. Conditions like forced labor, seven days a week, 10 hours a day, no holidays off. If you refused to work you were sent to the hole. I had pneumonia and it took 10 days just to see a nurse! Even after seeing the medical staff and getting a note to excuse me from work the guard still tried to force me to go to work. When I got out I went to the ER because I still had trouble breathing and they kept me for 4 days for observation! The hospital staff were amazed that the jail didn't get me proper treatment.
They say they make jail tough to persuade inmates into not coming back. To be honest it did not have that effect on me. If anything I've come out more hardened, now I know I can do the hardest time. Anything else has to be better. Fear of going back has nothing to do with why I am changing my life.
I was released march 2nd . I had to stay at a sober living house for the last couple weeks. I finally have my own place. I hate to say it but being incarcerated was the best thing to happen to me in a long time. I had tried rehab a couple of times but the key to a successful recovery from drugs is an extended time away from them. 28 days just isn't enough time. The amount of time away from drugs exponentially increases your odds of success. I didn't learn a lesson in jail, I already knew what I was doing was wrong, I didn't need the state of Arizona to shove that down my throat. I had a lot of time for deep introspection. I reevaluated where I was going with my life, identified what had to change and developed a plan to change. There's too much I want out of life to just piss away my short time here looking for the next cheap thrill. I am hungry for life now...
Good luck staying off the dope,and with your life.
I personally have never been to jail,never been arrestted,i did do things as a kid that im not proud of now.
As a reward for never being arrestted, i get to every 3-4 yrs sit on a Jury doing Jury duty for 2 weeks,now even though i dont like Jury Duty and did 4 yrs in the US Navy, i still feel like its my civic duty to do it, and i take it seriously,because it could be me sitting on the other side if you will, i would want a jurer to take it as seriously as i do, and make a fair and balenced decision, based on the evidence provided and nothing more.
Unless even after writing all that you intend to go right back to drugs and crime.
"They say they make jail tough to persuade inmates into not coming back. To be honest it did not have that effect on me. If anything I've come out more hardened, now I know I can do the hardest time. Anything else has to be better. Fear of going back has nothing to do with why I am changing my life."
As I pointed out in this paragraph the awful surroundings lead me to believe if I can take Maricopa County jail I can take anything. So in fact if I learned anything from Sheriff Joe is I can do any time they throw at me.
Honestly the change in my heart has nothing to do with the constraints of worldly law. What I want to do, what is most wholesome for myself and my future happens to be the path of the upstanding citizen. I'm not afraid of going back to jail or any sanctions the law may bring down on me. What I don't want to go back to is the empty, soulless, instant gratification life I lead before jail. I actually found a lot of inner peace in jail and I will take that contentment of the soul over all of the money, cars and women I had before I was locked up.
***Disclaimer*** I should have said money, car(no S) and women. Cause I don't even have my license now.
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You are mid 20's been posting since you were 15, got a degree at ASU had and lost good jobs and been in a wheel chair then to Jail too and raced Moto in the between times ?
This story is either total bullshit lies or part of it is, Anonymous is how you should stay , if this story by chance is 50% true go tell it at an AA or NA meeting and have some credibility because on the web anonymously it's just bullshit.
1; a little bit of a cautionary tale, hopefully a little inspirational(we'll see if this one has a good ending though, I'm pretty sure it will) and
2; I was hoping to expose the depth of human beings a bit, I started this post as a rant against Arpaio but I reconsidered using such a harsh tone in hopes of getting some of the more straight laced among us to be able to see where I was coming from. So I began contemplating what angle to take on this point I was trying to make when I started typing the craziest shit I've ever written, a brief synopsis of the last few years of my life. I'm pretty adept at seeing both sides of the argument in most cases and maybe I've learned to see both sides of the crime and punishment debate especially clearly because I have straddled the line of scumbag and raw potential for good so well.
What I'm saying is, I can't make this shit up!!! I have told my story in a few AA meetings and among those people my life really isn't that extraordinary. I have no reason to lie, I just wanted to bring up some decent context for a debate on the MCSO and their jail conditions.
+1
Sheriff Joe's jails serve no rehabilitative purpose. All of his policies are mean-spirited and almost spiteful. He seems to be a very hateful man and by extension his constituents must be filled with hate too. And they are the far right wing fringe of our society. Allegedly religious people, if these people were truly of the christian faith they would focus more on rehabilitation and less on retribution.
I've said it before I didn't learn a lesson in jail. I am not a dog to be trained or a child to be punished. I did reevaluate my whole life and decided I will do what it takes to change things. But I will not change out of fear. It is misguided to act out of fear for any reason, even for as good a reason as not going back to jail. And that's a damn good reason! I have aligned what I truly want out of life with HOW to get it. Not having to worry about getting my next fix makes this a hell of a lot easier. What I have found out is what I truly want falls perfectly within the law. I'm on probation now and I barely notice it, as long as I am doing the right thing I have nothing to worry about. And the right thing and what I want line up perfectly.
I wish sheriff joe's jail was tougher....
Pit Row
The general intelligence level of the average inmate is crazy low. I'm talking IQs that barely crack the 3 digits in a large proportion of inmates. Which brings me to my theory of the base motive of a lot of crimes. The reason there has to be a direct cause and effect, crime and punishment correlation in the treatment of a lot of offenders is the same reason they committed their crimes to begin with.
When I first got to jail I was astonished to meet guys who robbed people at gun point, and they weren't even hooked on drugs! I couldn't believe that a man would just break into another person's house even if they weren't desperate to avoid withdrawals. The only time my friends or I ever exhibited such a blatant disregard for our fellow man and even the consequences of our actions was when hooked on drugs. I can see now that the drug abuse made us bow to almost prehistoric base instinct for immediate gratification, I could only identify with a lot of these guys when I related their behavior to my addict mindset ie; I had to take my stupid pills to be on the same level as them,
This is an argument for another time but intelligence was directly related to education level and education level was almost always associated with socio-economic class.
So my problem with being too punitive is it really gets to be mean spirited. Some of these poor, dumb bastards never had a chance. Do we really need to beat them down more?
The second is how tough it really was. I'm sure it was hell. But, it's only the first level of hell. To compare it to a concentration camp is comparing a bee sting to get hitting in the head with a baseball bat (repeatedly). It's insulting to those that lived and/or died in those hell holes.
I am with 500 guy on this one, I think the guy is full of shit.
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