Ever been to jail?

Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 11:53am
I have. I'm going to share some personal info that I normally wouldn't broadcast over the internet. I'm anonymous so what the hell(I've been around the boards for 10 years used to post under my real name), hopefully I can provide a cautionary tale as well as tell it like it is.

I'm in my mid 20's, have a bachelor's in political science from ASU and a terrible drug problem. I've raced moto my whole life until 3 years ago when a bad overdose(heroin and coke) left me in a wheelchair. After 6 months of physical therapy I could walk with the assistance of a walker and within a year i could walk on my own. I used moto as my motivation through all the PT, walking was secondary to riding! Although to this day I still can't run or jump. I have held good jobs as a travel agent making considerably more than my peers. I still had a good job until a year and a half ago I was laid off. I had relapsed by then and was worse off than I ever was, I made it to work on time and wore a shirt and tie to work everyday so appearances were good. I was a mess though. I used my fairly large severance check to "make some investments in the streets".

Those investments eventually paid off! In the form of 5 months at the world famous maricopa county jail! Honestly 5 months was not bad for what they could have gotten me for, but in the end they could only convict based on the evidence. So october 1st a joint Phoenix/ Gilbert PD team kicked my door in and booked me. They threatened me with years and years of prison time but i just exercised my fifth amendment rights.

Jail began with 72 hours at the 4th avenue booking facility. Which might have been the most miserable experience of my life. It would have been a lot more bearable if I wasn't in full blown opiate withdrawals from a daily dose that could kill 20 people of my same size. Picture the worst stomach flu ever, cold sweats, entire body aches and an overwhelming desire to sleep but being completely unable to do so. All while in freezing cold holding cells without enough space to even lay down. Oh and your 2 meals for the day consist of 2 stale loafs of bread, peanut butter that will have you licking your jowls like a dog for an hour and the most rotten citrus ever. I eventually was placed in the Durango jail where I would remain until sentenced.

Durango is a shithole. It is a condemned building due to asbestos in the ceiling. Which to be honest after all the shit I put in my body is not a big deal. They crammed 4 of us into a 2 man cell due to overcrowding, luckily I was not placed in one of the "warehouses" which were large dormitories with rows of bunks 3 high. They were originally constructed as gyms or other recreation areas, which were no longer needed because recreation must have been phased out years ago. I went months without being exposed to direct sunlight or fresh air. I've never seen so many people so excited to go to prison! After an inmate was sentenced they would be so happy you'd think they are being released, but it turns out they are going upstate for like ten years.

I believe that I deserved to be there I committed some serious felonies. But what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Granted most there were guilty like a mofo, but let's just say 1 out of 10 were innocent. Two meals a day, one morning meal consisting of the wonderful build your own sandwich kit described above. The other was simply known as slop. Slop is the mandatory hot meal served it is a 800 calorie, bare sustenance blend of some old meat and a few vegetables thrown in for color. Again I deserved the shitty treatment but what about the people that are just there because they can't afford to bond out to fight their case? Or the people who just owe traffic fines?

Maybe I didn't mind the terrible food so much because I always had money for commissary. I had some money put away when I went in so I was able to order the maximum amount of store($125 a week) every week. I actually only ate 2 bites of the slop the whole time I was there, one time to try it and once towards the end to see if it was still terrible. I would rather starve than eat that shit! And I starved on a couple of occasions, sometimes I would lose a lot on poker. Which was the best thing to do to pass the time, that and bet on sports seeing as espn2 is the only channel we got.

I ended up getting into a fight. I don't like to fight but I had to. You CANNOT let anyone call you a punk or bitch. If you let someone slide on that you will lose all respect and recognition of basic human dignity. If you let that slide people will walk all over you and in jail all you have is your respect and your word. So this juggalo(insane clown possey follower, don't even get me started on these losers, there seems to be a lot of these guys behind bars) called me out and we went to the bano(spanish for bathroom). I actually worked him over pretty good which surprised me, I hadn't been in a fight in like ten years. Well I worked him over too good because there was blood all over the bathroom and his clothes and my fists. The detention officer came in before we had a chance to clean up all the blood and after a little investigation I was thrown in the hole. I was remanded there for 15 days the first 7 of which I was alone in a cell for 23 hours a day. The only human being I had contact with was the med nurse, who was gorgeous btw. I eventually got a cell mate but that was after hours on end of singing at the top of my lungs. I was alone and there's only so much time you have light to read. I sang a lot of Ke$ha(wake up in the mornin feelin like p-diddy) I don't know if that kept me sane or it was a symptom of my insanity.

I was finally sentenced on december 15th. Total term was 5 months with credit for 2 1/2 months served. I was now headed to the tents. AKA the forced labor camps. The tents is where inmates that were found guilty are housed. With sentencing comes a little more freedom, the day room is open 24 hours a day, lockdown only for headcount, and you are outside, which no matter how cold it got is better than the stale Durango air. There was a vast range in the severity of the crimes of inmates. Ranging from armed robbery to unpaid traffic fines and child support.

Throughout my stay in jail there was a wide range of basic human rights being withheld and even abuse by the guards. But I won't dwell on it because that kind of thing is to be expected in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's jails. My main problem was the treatment of those who were potentially innocent and the harsh conditions those who committed the most minor infractions were subjected to. Conditions like forced labor, seven days a week, 10 hours a day, no holidays off. If you refused to work you were sent to the hole. I had pneumonia and it took 10 days just to see a nurse! Even after seeing the medical staff and getting a note to excuse me from work the guard still tried to force me to go to work. When I got out I went to the ER because I still had trouble breathing and they kept me for 4 days for observation! The hospital staff were amazed that the jail didn't get me proper treatment.

They say they make jail tough to persuade inmates into not coming back. To be honest it did not have that effect on me. If anything I've come out more hardened, now I know I can do the hardest time. Anything else has to be better. Fear of going back has nothing to do with why I am changing my life.

I was released march 2nd . I had to stay at a sober living house for the last couple weeks. I finally have my own place. I hate to say it but being incarcerated was the best thing to happen to me in a long time. I had tried rehab a couple of times but the key to a successful recovery from drugs is an extended time away from them. 28 days just isn't enough time. The amount of time away from drugs exponentially increases your odds of success. I didn't learn a lesson in jail, I already knew what I was doing was wrong, I didn't need the state of Arizona to shove that down my throat. I had a lot of time for deep introspection. I reevaluated where I was going with my life, identified what had to change and developed a plan to change. There's too much I want out of life to just piss away my short time here looking for the next cheap thrill. I am hungry for life now...
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4/22/2011 5:50am
Wow dude thats an incredible story,
Good luck staying off the dope,and with your life.

I personally have never been to jail,never been arrestted,i did do things as a kid that im not proud of now.

As a reward for never being arrestted, i get to every 3-4 yrs sit on a Jury doing Jury duty for 2 weeks,now even though i dont like Jury Duty and did 4 yrs in the US Navy, i still feel like its my civic duty to do it, and i take it seriously,because it could be me sitting on the other side if you will, i would want a jurer to take it as seriously as i do, and make a fair and balenced decision, based on the evidence provided and nothing more.
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4/22/2011 7:00am
So should all those scumbag illegals... Or shot...either way, makes no difference to me! Animals I tell you...
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4/22/2011 7:35am
If the story is true, it sounds like Sheriff Joe gave you what you needed.

Unless even after writing all that you intend to go right back to drugs and crime.
4/22/2011 7:58am
SteveS wrote:
If the story is true, it sounds like Sheriff Joe gave you what you needed. Unless even after writing all that you intend to go right...
If the story is true, it sounds like Sheriff Joe gave you what you needed.

Unless even after writing all that you intend to go right back to drugs and crime.
Sheriff Joe didn't help for shit. I could have been in any institution in the country and came to the same realization. The straightforward crime and punishment view you are taking way over simplifies things. Do you see Joe as some parental figure and criminals as insolent children? Which unfortunately for most of the criminal population and fortunately for the rest of us, most felons are just big children.

"They say they make jail tough to persuade inmates into not coming back. To be honest it did not have that effect on me. If anything I've come out more hardened, now I know I can do the hardest time. Anything else has to be better. Fear of going back has nothing to do with why I am changing my life."

As I pointed out in this paragraph the awful surroundings lead me to believe if I can take Maricopa County jail I can take anything. So in fact if I learned anything from Sheriff Joe is I can do any time they throw at me.

Honestly the change in my heart has nothing to do with the constraints of worldly law. What I want to do, what is most wholesome for myself and my future happens to be the path of the upstanding citizen. I'm not afraid of going back to jail or any sanctions the law may bring down on me. What I don't want to go back to is the empty, soulless, instant gratification life I lead before jail. I actually found a lot of inner peace in jail and I will take that contentment of the soul over all of the money, cars and women I had before I was locked up.

***Disclaimer*** I should have said money, car(no S) and women. Cause I don't even have my license now.

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4/22/2011 8:16am
So lets sort this out

You are mid 20's been posting since you were 15, got a degree at ASU had and lost good jobs and been in a wheel chair then to Jail too and raced Moto in the between times ?

This story is either total bullshit lies or part of it is, Anonymous is how you should stay , if this story by chance is 50% true go tell it at an AA or NA meeting and have some credibility because on the web anonymously it's just bullshit.
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4/22/2011 8:20am
500guy wrote:
So lets sort this out You are mid 20's been posting since you were 15, got a degree at ASU had and lost good jobs and...
So lets sort this out

You are mid 20's been posting since you were 15, got a degree at ASU had and lost good jobs and been in a wheel chair then to Jail too and raced Moto in the between times ?

This story is either total bullshit lies or part of it is, Anonymous is how you should stay , if this story by chance is 50% true go tell it at an AA or NA meeting and have some credibility because on the web anonymously it's just bullshit.
And this was his first post on Vital.... LOL
4/22/2011 9:08am
500guy wrote:
So lets sort this out You are mid 20's been posting since you were 15, got a degree at ASU had and lost good jobs and...
So lets sort this out

You are mid 20's been posting since you were 15, got a degree at ASU had and lost good jobs and been in a wheel chair then to Jail too and raced Moto in the between times ?

This story is either total bullshit lies or part of it is, Anonymous is how you should stay , if this story by chance is 50% true go tell it at an AA or NA meeting and have some credibility because on the web anonymously it's just bullshit.
I just spent the last couple of minutes typing a timeline of everything I did over the past 6 years or so but I don't have to prove anything. I just thought I'd tell you guys some of the stuff I been through for two reasons,

1; a little bit of a cautionary tale, hopefully a little inspirational(we'll see if this one has a good ending though, I'm pretty sure it will) and

2; I was hoping to expose the depth of human beings a bit, I started this post as a rant against Arpaio but I reconsidered using such a harsh tone in hopes of getting some of the more straight laced among us to be able to see where I was coming from. So I began contemplating what angle to take on this point I was trying to make when I started typing the craziest shit I've ever written, a brief synopsis of the last few years of my life. I'm pretty adept at seeing both sides of the argument in most cases and maybe I've learned to see both sides of the crime and punishment debate especially clearly because I have straddled the line of scumbag and raw potential for good so well.

What I'm saying is, I can't make this shit up!!! I have told my story in a few AA meetings and among those people my life really isn't that extraordinary. I have no reason to lie, I just wanted to bring up some decent context for a debate on the MCSO and their jail conditions.
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4/22/2011 9:12am
By your own admission the requirement for kicking drugs was an extended time forced to be away from the drugs; 28 days isn't long enough. The Sheriff kept you away from drugs for what you are claiming is a long enough time. And apparently he kept drugs out of the jail so you couldn't get them there like so many other inmates do in other jails. So if you really were locked away for long enough to kick drugs, and you really did, then you got exactly what you needed to live a better life in the future.
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4/22/2011 9:26am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2011 9:56am
"Sheriff Joe is a criminal that should be locked up in the same shit holes he's so proud of"

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4/22/2011 9:30am
Sounds like sheriff joe is doing a fine job. I can tell from your story that I would do whatever it takes to stay out of one of his prisons. They sound like very bad places, just as they should be. Good luck on staying clean. And stay outta the clink for crying out loud.
4/22/2011 9:33am
You are half right. He kept the kind of drugs I would have wanted at the time out. But that was less a result of a proactive approach on his behalf and more of a lack of willing suppliers. There was plenty of meth in there, which is disgusting to me, why anyone would want to not eat or sleep for days is beyond me. Of course there was also weed in there but that is a completely different argument for another time, whether or not pot is even a 'drug' anywhere in the company of meth, heroin, coke or even alcohol.

Sheriff Joe's jails serve no rehabilitative purpose. All of his policies are mean-spirited and almost spiteful. He seems to be a very hateful man and by extension his constituents must be filled with hate too. And they are the far right wing fringe of our society. Allegedly religious people, if these people were truly of the christian faith they would focus more on rehabilitation and less on retribution.
4/22/2011 9:45am
SteveS wrote:
If the story is true, it sounds like Sheriff Joe gave you what you needed. Unless even after writing all that you intend to go right...
If the story is true, it sounds like Sheriff Joe gave you what you needed.

Unless even after writing all that you intend to go right back to drugs and crime.
Sheriff Joe didn't help for shit. I could have been in any institution in the country and came to the same realization. The straightforward crime and...
Sheriff Joe didn't help for shit. I could have been in any institution in the country and came to the same realization. The straightforward crime and punishment view you are taking way over simplifies things. Do you see Joe as some parental figure and criminals as insolent children? Which unfortunately for most of the criminal population and fortunately for the rest of us, most felons are just big children.

"They say they make jail tough to persuade inmates into not coming back. To be honest it did not have that effect on me. If anything I've come out more hardened, now I know I can do the hardest time. Anything else has to be better. Fear of going back has nothing to do with why I am changing my life."

As I pointed out in this paragraph the awful surroundings lead me to believe if I can take Maricopa County jail I can take anything. So in fact if I learned anything from Sheriff Joe is I can do any time they throw at me.

Honestly the change in my heart has nothing to do with the constraints of worldly law. What I want to do, what is most wholesome for myself and my future happens to be the path of the upstanding citizen. I'm not afraid of going back to jail or any sanctions the law may bring down on me. What I don't want to go back to is the empty, soulless, instant gratification life I lead before jail. I actually found a lot of inner peace in jail and I will take that contentment of the soul over all of the money, cars and women I had before I was locked up.

***Disclaimer*** I should have said money, car(no S) and women. Cause I don't even have my license now.
I am happy that you hve turned your life around and hope you continue to do so, but I think you are seriouslly misguided. Are you really going to say that 2 1/2 months in a typical county jail and another 21/2 months in uncle Joe's hell hole has you ready to do hard time elsewhere? I'm sorry that you were to arrogent to learn anything there accept that you think you're ready for hard time elsewhere. With that attitude you might truely find out if you can. Prison truely is a horrible place to be and you just got a slight glimps of it. Do yourself a favor and truely learn from this experience because one person calling you a bitch in your 5 months isn't anything to talk about.
4/22/2011 9:57am
You are half right. He kept the kind of drugs I would have wanted at the time out. But that was less a result of a...
You are half right. He kept the kind of drugs I would have wanted at the time out. But that was less a result of a proactive approach on his behalf and more of a lack of willing suppliers. There was plenty of meth in there, which is disgusting to me, why anyone would want to not eat or sleep for days is beyond me. Of course there was also weed in there but that is a completely different argument for another time, whether or not pot is even a 'drug' anywhere in the company of meth, heroin, coke or even alcohol.

Sheriff Joe's jails serve no rehabilitative purpose. All of his policies are mean-spirited and almost spiteful. He seems to be a very hateful man and by extension his constituents must be filled with hate too. And they are the far right wing fringe of our society. Allegedly religious people, if these people were truly of the christian faith they would focus more on rehabilitation and less on retribution.
You guys have to realize and respect C-ILL's decision to change whether he needed jail or not. Being in jail can serve two things, and being awyay from drugs/crime had a big effect on his thinking clearly or it could have served as a "Crime school" to hone his craft as a career criminal.
4/22/2011 10:03am
SteveS wrote:
If the story is true, it sounds like Sheriff Joe gave you what you needed. Unless even after writing all that you intend to go right...
If the story is true, it sounds like Sheriff Joe gave you what you needed.

Unless even after writing all that you intend to go right back to drugs and crime.
Sheriff Joe didn't help for shit. I could have been in any institution in the country and came to the same realization. The straightforward crime and...
Sheriff Joe didn't help for shit. I could have been in any institution in the country and came to the same realization. The straightforward crime and punishment view you are taking way over simplifies things. Do you see Joe as some parental figure and criminals as insolent children? Which unfortunately for most of the criminal population and fortunately for the rest of us, most felons are just big children.

"They say they make jail tough to persuade inmates into not coming back. To be honest it did not have that effect on me. If anything I've come out more hardened, now I know I can do the hardest time. Anything else has to be better. Fear of going back has nothing to do with why I am changing my life."

As I pointed out in this paragraph the awful surroundings lead me to believe if I can take Maricopa County jail I can take anything. So in fact if I learned anything from Sheriff Joe is I can do any time they throw at me.

Honestly the change in my heart has nothing to do with the constraints of worldly law. What I want to do, what is most wholesome for myself and my future happens to be the path of the upstanding citizen. I'm not afraid of going back to jail or any sanctions the law may bring down on me. What I don't want to go back to is the empty, soulless, instant gratification life I lead before jail. I actually found a lot of inner peace in jail and I will take that contentment of the soul over all of the money, cars and women I had before I was locked up.

***Disclaimer*** I should have said money, car(no S) and women. Cause I don't even have my license now.
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I am happy that you hve turned your life around and hope you continue to do so, but I think you are seriouslly misguided. Are you...
I am happy that you hve turned your life around and hope you continue to do so, but I think you are seriouslly misguided. Are you really going to say that 2 1/2 months in a typical county jail and another 21/2 months in uncle Joe's hell hole has you ready to do hard time elsewhere? I'm sorry that you were to arrogent to learn anything there accept that you think you're ready for hard time elsewhere. With that attitude you might truely find out if you can. Prison truely is a horrible place to be and you just got a slight glimps of it. Do yourself a favor and truely learn from this experience because one person calling you a bitch in your 5 months isn't anything to talk about.
Oh I feel you 5 months in county is nothing compared with years in prison. I couldn't imagine knowing there's no release for 5, 10, 20 years. But as far as quality of life goes, my best friend did a 1 1/2 in prison and his brother did 1 year in county. I've talked to them about this in depth and they both agree that the one who did 1 1/2 in prison got the better deal. Granted it was a minimum security yard but that's pretty telling.

I've said it before I didn't learn a lesson in jail. I am not a dog to be trained or a child to be punished. I did reevaluate my whole life and decided I will do what it takes to change things. But I will not change out of fear. It is misguided to act out of fear for any reason, even for as good a reason as not going back to jail. And that's a damn good reason! I have aligned what I truly want out of life with HOW to get it. Not having to worry about getting my next fix makes this a hell of a lot easier. What I have found out is what I truly want falls perfectly within the law. I'm on probation now and I barely notice it, as long as I am doing the right thing I have nothing to worry about. And the right thing and what I want line up perfectly.
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4/22/2011 10:09am
I don't know what it's like being in jail, but I do know what it's like to to go through some horrible opiate withdrawals and I cant imagine going through them in jail........that would really suck.
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4/22/2011 10:16am
Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time....

I wish sheriff joe's jail was tougher....
4/22/2011 10:24am
Any tougher and tent city would be looking like Auschwitz. They are already forced to work 10 hours a day of real labor on less than 1500 calories. I got an idea how about a concentration camp for all those pieces of shit that can't pay their traffic fines. The final solution to our problem with "those" people.
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4/22/2011 10:38am
I don't have a problem with prisons being way more punitive than the are rehabilitative. The more unpleasant the experience the better.
4/22/2011 10:54am
Any tougher and tent city would be looking like Auschwitz. They are already forced to work 10 hours a day of real labor on less than...
Any tougher and tent city would be looking like Auschwitz. They are already forced to work 10 hours a day of real labor on less than 1500 calories. I got an idea how about a concentration camp for all those pieces of shit that can't pay their traffic fines. The final solution to our problem with "those" people.
Auschwitz.?? Not to minimize what you put yourself through but that is piece of hell that you did not even catch a glimpse of.
4/22/2011 11:08am
I do agree that prisons should not be pleasant. Not by a long shot There are a lot of dumb people behind bars. I mean really dumb people. They are barely a step above animals in their thinking and they need to have their noses shoved in their shit. Thats the only way dumb people learn in my experience is through the whip and not the carrot.

The general intelligence level of the average inmate is crazy low. I'm talking IQs that barely crack the 3 digits in a large proportion of inmates. Which brings me to my theory of the base motive of a lot of crimes. The reason there has to be a direct cause and effect, crime and punishment correlation in the treatment of a lot of offenders is the same reason they committed their crimes to begin with.

When I first got to jail I was astonished to meet guys who robbed people at gun point, and they weren't even hooked on drugs! I couldn't believe that a man would just break into another person's house even if they weren't desperate to avoid withdrawals. The only time my friends or I ever exhibited such a blatant disregard for our fellow man and even the consequences of our actions was when hooked on drugs. I can see now that the drug abuse made us bow to almost prehistoric base instinct for immediate gratification, I could only identify with a lot of these guys when I related their behavior to my addict mindset ie; I had to take my stupid pills to be on the same level as them,

This is an argument for another time but intelligence was directly related to education level and education level was almost always associated with socio-economic class.

So my problem with being too punitive is it really gets to be mean spirited. Some of these poor, dumb bastards never had a chance. Do we really need to beat them down more?
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4/22/2011 11:09am
Any tougher and tent city would be looking like Auschwitz. They are already forced to work 10 hours a day of real labor on less than...
Any tougher and tent city would be looking like Auschwitz. They are already forced to work 10 hours a day of real labor on less than 1500 calories. I got an idea how about a concentration camp for all those pieces of shit that can't pay their traffic fines. The final solution to our problem with "those" people.
Auschwitz.?? Not to minimize what you put yourself through but that is piece of hell that you did not even catch a glimpse of.
No shit...
4/22/2011 11:12am
Any tougher and tent city would be looking like Auschwitz. They are already forced to work 10 hours a day of real labor on less than...
Any tougher and tent city would be looking like Auschwitz. They are already forced to work 10 hours a day of real labor on less than 1500 calories. I got an idea how about a concentration camp for all those pieces of shit that can't pay their traffic fines. The final solution to our problem with "those" people.
Auschwitz.?? Not to minimize what you put yourself through but that is piece of hell that you did not even catch a glimpse of.
No where I was was no where near a concentration camp. I was just responding to Huck's statement that tent city needs to be tougher. If it got much shittier they would continue the forced labor on even less food with even less hygiene and then you would start to see some pretty scruffy emaciated inmates.
4/22/2011 1:21pm
sheriff joe is the man!!!! He treats you like animals because that is what you deserve. if the guards started to give regular beat downs it would be even better,Let us know how your next stretch goes as I am sure you will go back, most convicts do.
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4/22/2011 1:32pm
Not sure why everyone is hating on C-Ill. Real or not, don't know, but, I think your thinking is flawed. Looking at it from inside out, you have evaluated all that's happened and come to various conclusions. The tough conditions weren't the cause of your choice to go straight? I'd say they had a significant impact on your decision. Had you been in a soft facility, you may not have had those thoughts revealed to you. You certainly wouldn't be thinking, "that sucked, I don't want to go back there." You don't have to be afraid of something to not want to go back to it.

The second is how tough it really was. I'm sure it was hell. But, it's only the first level of hell. To compare it to a concentration camp is comparing a bee sting to get hitting in the head with a baseball bat (repeatedly). It's insulting to those that lived and/or died in those hell holes.
4/22/2011 2:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2011 2:27pm
Your time in jail was only a speed bump. Many times drug users are thankful that prison actually saved their lives as they watched or heard of their "friends" dying of drup overdoses. Not too sure what you were looking for in County Jail as far as rehabilitation goes. There are no programs that change a person's behavior unless the person wants to change. The jail did control your behavior. It told you when to wake up and get dressed. Told you what items you could buy in commissary. I doubt it you were cook'n up steaks in the jail yard. Although you could have stuck some dope up your ass on a visit it appears that jail also controlled your urge or made it extremely hard for you to get a fix. You were controlled the whole time. It's not the job of Prisons or Jails to change you. That's your job. If you can't man up to your responsibilities, then there's always another jail sentence to CONTROL you. Personally, I only care about victims of crime.
4/22/2011 3:11pm
Thats right and what do we do with animals ? we lock them in cages where they belong. It is their animal like behavior that gets them locked up in the first place, its not about rehabilitation its punishment plain and simple
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4/22/2011 3:19pm
huck wrote:
Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time....

I wish sheriff joe's jail was tougher....
Bingo, its not an amusement park! stay out of trouble and you will not be treated like a criminal!
4/22/2011 3:40pm
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Thats right and what do we do with animals ? we lock them in cages where they belong. It is their animal like behavior that gets...
Thats right and what do we do with animals ? we lock them in cages where they belong. It is their animal like behavior that gets them locked up in the first place, its not about rehabilitation its punishment plain and simple
There are plenty of programs in prison that a guy can join to better himself, the problem is none of them don't.
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Bowie, MD, USA
4/22/2011 3:49pm
What a shame the prison system is, a criminal can not get rehab or education top notch free, give me a break! I have an idea , get a job and buy shit not steal it.
4/22/2011 4:46pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2011 11:20am
The sad part is that chronically ILL still hasen't taken full responsibility for his actions. Look at his screen name:CHRONICALLY ILL his name says it all he thinks drug abuse is a illiness and not a personal choice or action the only thing missing is him finding Jesus in jail, thats where they find Jesus and that is where they leave Jesus when they get out. Go sell your sad story someplace else "yardbitch"

I am with 500 guy on this one, I think the guy is full of shit.

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