This may sound like James bashing...

Grieby54 wrote:

The fastest rider is the one that put down the fastest lap time. There is no way you can logically dispute that. The rider who is...

The fastest rider is the one that put down the fastest lap time. There is no way you can logically dispute that. The rider who is the fastest is the one who put down the fastest lap time. That's how it works. He was the fastest rider that night. Did he win? Maybe, maybe not. But he was the fastest rider out there that night. Most consistent? Maybe, maybe not. But he was the fastest rider out there that night.

The fastest rider doesn't always win. Arguably, the best rider does win, but that doesn't make him the fastest.

Grieby54 wrote:

The fastest rider is the one that put down the fastest lap time. There is no way you can logically dispute that. The rider who is...

The fastest rider is the one that put down the fastest lap time. There is no way you can logically dispute that. The rider who is the fastest is the one who put down the fastest lap time. That's how it works. He was the fastest rider that night. Did he win? Maybe, maybe not. But he was the fastest rider out there that night. Most consistent? Maybe, maybe not. But he was the fastest rider out there that night.

The fastest rider doesn't always win. Arguably, the best rider does win, but that doesn't make him the fastest.

jmx281 wrote:

Im not a big fan of james never was never will be. We can do the What if and the but this or that game all...

Im not a big fan of james never was never will be. We can do the What if and the but this or that game all day. But, james was in total control and putting on a clinic at Daytona when he crashed. He came out of the corner strong the rear wheel hooked up (or front tire hit a bump) and he was on a wheelie entering the face of that triple he was doing. Thats not out of control or him pushing or talent is now deeper in the field, thats something that happens. In I believe it was LA or one of the first few rounds, he was leading Yes RV caught him and was putting a lot of pressure on him, but his front wheel washed out in a corner. Who says he wouldnt of won that race just because RV closed up on him. Jacksonville I believe it was where RV didnt make the main. James crashed in the first rhythm section with 3 or more riders. Again maybe he jumped over to far or whatever happened I dont really blame him for that crash.

In those 3 crashes show me where the whole " the talent is just way deeper now" thing comes into play. In my opinion he is still the fastest and most talented on a dirt bike. He might not be a lot more faster then the other riders like he use to but he's still the favorite anytime he's on the gate.

YetiMan wrote:

Understand what your saying, but he has been the fastest in the last few rounds. Won most of his heats, generally topped qualifying. Look at Daytona...

Understand what your saying, but he has been the fastest in the last few rounds. Won most of his heats, generally topped qualifying. Look at Daytona, he was crazy fast. He just had some shit luck and made some dumb moves. 'Im stoked for him to get a win

cason402 wrote:

"YetiMan wrote: Understand what your saying, but he has been the fastest in the last few rounds." This is the disconnect I see all the time...

"YetiMan wrote: Understand what your saying, but he has been the fastest in the last few rounds."

This is the disconnect I see all the time... fastest in a supercross race is the time laid down in the main between the gate dropping and the checkered flag. the last few rounds TC and RD were the fastest.

I will agree it's great to seem JS get a win, it keeps it that much more interesting!

Grieby54 wrote:

So you're telling me that if, hypothetically, someone crashes in the first turn, gets up dead last, spends 30 seconds kicking their bike over, and proceeds...

So you're telling me that if, hypothetically, someone crashes in the first turn, gets up dead last, spends 30 seconds kicking their bike over, and proceeds to be 5 seconds a lap faster than anyone else, he's not the fastest guy out there if he doesn't stand on the top step?

No, I'm not saying that's happened to James, I'm just saying that if there's a guy out on the track who's putting faster lap times down than the rest of the field (see Daytona), then in my opinion he's the fastest guy out there. That being said, the fastest guy doesn't always win.

tapkawiman wrote:

Oh Come On!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some of you need to take this whole fastest thing and stick it where the sun dont shine! You guys come on here...

Oh Come On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of you need to take this whole fastest thing and stick it where the sun dont shine!

You guys come on here and say this or that guy was the fastest who gives a F***.

10 Years from know are you still going to be debating this same damn topic.

I would bet money that you get the top guys in this sport and ask them if they could do the stuff that JS7 does and they will tell you hell yes.

Then follow it up with is it worth the risk and they will tell you hell no.

What is it that JS7 does that makes him SO much more talented that RV, RD, CR, KW, TC ???
I was there last weekend and I didnt see any superhuman things that he did or anyone else for that matter.
Hell just last week there was a thread on here about TC being the king of the Bubba Scrub.

And this whole logic BS about lap times just to justify your love for a racer saying he was the fastest? WTF Your gonna sit there and tell me that if we called up RC and asked him with no holding back could he of matched JS7 lap times (although he is to humble to ever come out and say it) he would say yes but he would be in the dirt alot more just like JS7.

I would bet money that if JS7 rode the 16 round series and averaged the same amount of crashes as his competitors his lap times would be slower. But he doesnt he rides balls to the walls and it bites him. But hey according to James he is going to go out and give it a 100% but you would think that at some point using his head would factor into that equation.

tapkawiman wrote:

Oh Come On!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some of you need to take this whole fastest thing and stick it where the sun dont shine! You guys come on here...

Oh Come On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of you need to take this whole fastest thing and stick it where the sun dont shine!

You guys come on here and say this or that guy was the fastest who gives a F***.

10 Years from know are you still going to be debating this same damn topic.

I would bet money that you get the top guys in this sport and ask them if they could do the stuff that JS7 does and they will tell you hell yes.

Then follow it up with is it worth the risk and they will tell you hell no.

What is it that JS7 does that makes him SO much more talented that RV, RD, CR, KW, TC ???
I was there last weekend and I didnt see any superhuman things that he did or anyone else for that matter.
Hell just last week there was a thread on here about TC being the king of the Bubba Scrub.

And this whole logic BS about lap times just to justify your love for a racer saying he was the fastest? WTF Your gonna sit there and tell me that if we called up RC and asked him with no holding back could he of matched JS7 lap times (although he is to humble to ever come out and say it) he would say yes but he would be in the dirt alot more just like JS7.

I would bet money that if JS7 rode the 16 round series and averaged the same amount of crashes as his competitors his lap times would be slower. But he doesnt he rides balls to the walls and it bites him. But hey according to James he is going to go out and give it a 100% but you would think that at some point using his head would factor into that equation.

ecoulter wrote:

Well, actually James does do some things that seem superhuman. The controversial jump that was taken out in between timed practice in St. Louis was a...

Well, actually James does do some things that seem superhuman. The controversial jump that was taken out in between timed practice in St. Louis was a great illustration of James doing things on a bike nobody else will do.

For those who hadn't heard, the first double jump out of that corner had a small lip before the larger jump face that gave most riders the jump to clear the double. In the first 250 timed practice sections a lot of lites riders were struggling to clear this double. Most riders would come out of the corner and wheely over the first lip, and drive off the second, larger jump to clear the double.

When the 450s came out in practice riders were using the same strategy of getting the front wheel over the first lip. All of the sudden James Stewart comes hauling out of that turn during the first times session and basically launches as hard as he can off the FIRST lip, wheel taps the big second lip and clears the double in literally half the time. It was amazing! He did the obstacle like that 3 times during the practice, with ease every time. If you had taken a closer look at that jump you would have seen how freakin crazy it was.

That same obstacle ended up causing Malcom Stewart to go down really hard. From the looks of the endo, he was attempting a similar strategy that Bubba was using, but it went terribly wrong. Kind of interesting that the Stewart brothers showed us how fast it is possible to clear the jump, and also how big the consequences of messing it up are.

Stewart commented that he was bummed they changed the track to take out that first lip probably partially because his bro crashed on it!

Anyway, James was amazing to watch the whole night in St. Louis, when he uncorked the triple triple on the second lap of the main my jaw literally dropped. I really wish they would have shown it better on TV. The next couple laps before Dungey went for the 3/3 Stewart was absolutely yarding him. I give huge props to Dungey for stepping up, it is crazy when those guys bust out a jump they haven't done all day during the main event.

panic revver wrote:

Well Tap that just shot your theory all to hell. Don't you hate it when facts get in the way of a good argument?

Grieby54 wrote:

The fastest rider is the one that put down the fastest lap time. There is no way you can logically dispute that. The rider who is...

The fastest rider is the one that put down the fastest lap time. There is no way you can logically dispute that. The rider who is the fastest is the one who put down the fastest lap time. That's how it works. He was the fastest rider that night. Did he win? Maybe, maybe not. But he was the fastest rider out there that night. Most consistent? Maybe, maybe not. But he was the fastest rider out there that night.

The fastest rider doesn't always win. Arguably, the best rider does win, but that doesn't make him the fastest.

carlosmacho wrote:

Logic does not work on the weak minded. Only Jedi mind tricks.

tapkawiman wrote:

Oh Come On!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some of you need to take this whole fastest thing and stick it where the sun dont shine! You guys come on here...

Oh Come On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of you need to take this whole fastest thing and stick it where the sun dont shine!

You guys come on here and say this or that guy was the fastest who gives a F***.

10 Years from know are you still going to be debating this same damn topic.

I would bet money that you get the top guys in this sport and ask them if they could do the stuff that JS7 does and they will tell you hell yes.

Then follow it up with is it worth the risk and they will tell you hell no.

What is it that JS7 does that makes him SO much more talented that RV, RD, CR, KW, TC ???
I was there last weekend and I didnt see any superhuman things that he did or anyone else for that matter.
Hell just last week there was a thread on here about TC being the king of the Bubba Scrub.

And this whole logic BS about lap times just to justify your love for a racer saying he was the fastest? WTF Your gonna sit there and tell me that if we called up RC and asked him with no holding back could he of matched JS7 lap times (although he is to humble to ever come out and say it) he would say yes but he would be in the dirt alot more just like JS7.

I would bet money that if JS7 rode the 16 round series and averaged the same amount of crashes as his competitors his lap times would be slower. But he doesnt he rides balls to the walls and it bites him. But hey according to James he is going to go out and give it a 100% but you would think that at some point using his head would factor into that equation.

ecoulter wrote:

Well, actually James does do some things that seem superhuman. The controversial jump that was taken out in between timed practice in St. Louis was a...

Well, actually James does do some things that seem superhuman. The controversial jump that was taken out in between timed practice in St. Louis was a great illustration of James doing things on a bike nobody else will do.

For those who hadn't heard, the first double jump out of that corner had a small lip before the larger jump face that gave most riders the jump to clear the double. In the first 250 timed practice sections a lot of lites riders were struggling to clear this double. Most riders would come out of the corner and wheely over the first lip, and drive off the second, larger jump to clear the double.

When the 450s came out in practice riders were using the same strategy of getting the front wheel over the first lip. All of the sudden James Stewart comes hauling out of that turn during the first times session and basically launches as hard as he can off the FIRST lip, wheel taps the big second lip and clears the double in literally half the time. It was amazing! He did the obstacle like that 3 times during the practice, with ease every time. If you had taken a closer look at that jump you would have seen how freakin crazy it was.

That same obstacle ended up causing Malcom Stewart to go down really hard. From the looks of the endo, he was attempting a similar strategy that Bubba was using, but it went terribly wrong. Kind of interesting that the Stewart brothers showed us how fast it is possible to clear the jump, and also how big the consequences of messing it up are.

Stewart commented that he was bummed they changed the track to take out that first lip probably partially because his bro crashed on it!

Anyway, James was amazing to watch the whole night in St. Louis, when he uncorked the triple triple on the second lap of the main my jaw literally dropped. I really wish they would have shown it better on TV. The next couple laps before Dungey went for the 3/3 Stewart was absolutely yarding him. I give huge props to Dungey for stepping up, it is crazy when those guys bust out a jump they haven't done all day during the main event.

panic revver wrote:

Well Tap that just shot your theory all to hell. Don't you hate it when facts get in the way of a good argument?

tapkawiman wrote:

So panic revver your gonna tell me that none of those other guys could do a wheel tap over that obsticle? Im pretty sure they are...

So panic revver your gonna tell me that none of those other guys could do a wheel tap over that obsticle? Im pretty sure they are capable of doing that. What would of been more interesting was if it was left in a James was bummed they took it out was if he could of done it consistantly in the main with out hitting the dirt.

Im pretty sure that none of the following statements after my post did nothing to ruin my theory. If anything they backed it up!!!

tapkawiman wrote:

So panic revver your gonna tell me that none of those other guys could do a wheel tap over that obsticle? Im pretty sure they are...

So panic revver your gonna tell me that none of those other guys could do a wheel tap over that obsticle? Im pretty sure they are capable of doing that. What would of been more interesting was if it was left in a James was bummed they took it out was if he could of done it consistantly in the main with out hitting the dirt.

Im pretty sure that none of the following statements after my post did nothing to ruin my theory. If anything they backed it up!!!

tapkawiman wrote:

So panic revver your gonna tell me that none of those other guys could do a wheel tap over that obsticle? Im pretty sure they are...

So panic revver your gonna tell me that none of those other guys could do a wheel tap over that obsticle? Im pretty sure they are capable of doing that. What would of been more interesting was if it was left in a James was bummed they took it out was if he could of done it consistantly in the main with out hitting the dirt.

Im pretty sure that none of the following statements after my post did nothing to ruin my theory. If anything they backed it up!!!

kongols wrote:

Stewart doesn`t have problem with extra hard obstacles, all his crashes this season are in a simple sections.

lopez130 wrote:

Really and all this time everyone was saying the whoops were treacherous in Dallas?? If Ur James they're simple??

tapkawiman wrote:

Oh i forgot the when your superhuman its the little stuff that is difficult???

tapkawiman wrote:

Oh i forgot the when your superhuman its the little stuff that is difficult???

tapkawiman wrote:

Well damn I dont have nothing against James but jeeze his nuts got to be dragging on the ground from all the ones sucking on them.

tapkawiman wrote:

Well damn I dont have nothing against James but jeeze his nuts got to be dragging on the ground from all the ones sucking on them.

tapkawiman wrote:

Well damn I dont have nothing against James but jeeze his nuts got to be dragging on the ground from all the ones sucking on them.

kongols wrote:

Wait, you saying that he can`t do one difficult section multiple times is just fine, but when I say that he can and I can back...

Wait, you saying that he can`t do one difficult section multiple times is just fine, but when I say that he can and I can back it up with facts that means me suckling his balls?

tapkawiman wrote:

Um im pretty sure that I never said he couldnt do difficult obsticles multiple times most of the time he can. (Until it bites him) And...

Um im pretty sure that I never said he couldnt do difficult obsticles multiple times most of the time he can. (Until it bites him) And I dont recal you argueing the point that he could do them multiple times.

And if you want to take it as a personal attack on ya go ahead wasnt meant to be.

But I will say that there are plenty of them that put him on a pedistal and try to justify that he is the only one capable of doing the things he does.

tapkawiman wrote:

Um im pretty sure that I never said he couldnt do difficult obsticles multiple times most of the time he can. (Until it bites him) And...

Um im pretty sure that I never said he couldnt do difficult obsticles multiple times most of the time he can. (Until it bites him) And I dont recal you argueing the point that he could do them multiple times.

And if you want to take it as a personal attack on ya go ahead wasnt meant to be.

But I will say that there are plenty of them that put him on a pedistal and try to justify that he is the only one capable of doing the things he does.