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Edited Date/Time 1/22/2012 7:56pm
Make the racers wear helmet cams?

Imagine if they could live feed from helmet cams during a battle for position. Not only that, replays like the JT$/Stewart wreck could be looked at in much more detail.

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dirt nap 2/15/2011 8:10pm
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Like, make ALL riders wear one???
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mcopsey 2/15/2011 8:14pm
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dirt nap wrote:
Like, make ALL riders wear one???
Yea, sorry for not specifying that...I meant to.
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They could, but won't
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gsxrcr28 2/15/2011 8:16pm
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I think its a great idea, GoPro probably would too. Wink

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mcopsey 2/15/2011 8:21pm
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flarider wrote:
They could, but won't
Makes no sense...but I can't argue the point.

I understand some riders have personal sponsorship with certain manufacturers but could they not integrate those into the show as well? Watching the GoPro videos posted here would lead one to believe the telecast could be much improved with this technology. Instead of showing an exact replay of the start that happened 6 minutes before they could show it from the point of view of someone in the middle of the action.
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flarider 2/15/2011 8:28pm
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Well, one day MX will figure it out.
NASCAR charges for on-board cameras, paid for by the sponsors, that's why you see the logo visible (via decal) in the frame.
If MX did that, and used the footage for broadcast, it would add a whole new dimension, and the kind of dimension that would put fans on the bikes, in the race.
That would bring more fans to watch it on TV
sbarrington314 2/15/2011 8:54pm
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like instead of showing a replay of the same start i just saw 30 seconds before, (not to mention i could rewind it, who doesnt have a dvr) show a replay but from a helmet cam. i know that would wow alot of people that dont ride but are interested enough to watch on tv.
wouldnt it be feld that made that decision?
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bvm111 2/15/2011 8:55pm
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I have watched the GoPro Kyle Chisolm video a few times today... That by far is the most intense representation of the sport I have ever seen in over 25 years that I have been a participant. They could easily incorperate this amazing footage some how in the shows that are broadcast the following day... it puts the casual viewer in the event as a participant instead of watching a bunch of guys just jumping all over the place and saying... ehh doesnt look that hard!!!

I dont know, GoPro could become a series sponsor of some sort and have the riders all wear them, and as they come off the track collect them anf download for editing. it couldnt be real time but 30 - 60min time delay seems reasonable and would push the covergae to a whole new level!

hell didnt they just do an entire featur length film shot with only an iphone.... the GoPro crushes that quality.... i dont know Just thinking/typing outloud
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Mod Killer 2/15/2011 9:20pm
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flarider wrote:
Well, one day MX will figure it out. NASCAR charges for on-board cameras, paid for by the sponsors, that's why you see the logo visible (via...
Well, one day MX will figure it out.
NASCAR charges for on-board cameras, paid for by the sponsors, that's why you see the logo visible (via decal) in the frame.
If MX did that, and used the footage for broadcast, it would add a whole new dimension, and the kind of dimension that would put fans on the bikes, in the race.
That would bring more fans to watch it on TV
or with streaming live online, fans could pick which riders feed they wanted to watch from.

this would greatly help the entire field garner more sponsorship.

great suggestion/thread.
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flarider wrote:
Well, one day MX will figure it out. NASCAR charges for on-board cameras, paid for by the sponsors, that's why you see the logo visible (via...
Well, one day MX will figure it out.
NASCAR charges for on-board cameras, paid for by the sponsors, that's why you see the logo visible (via decal) in the frame.
If MX did that, and used the footage for broadcast, it would add a whole new dimension, and the kind of dimension that would put fans on the bikes, in the race.
That would bring more fans to watch it on TV
Mod Killer wrote:
or with streaming live online, fans could pick which riders feed they wanted to watch from. this would greatly help the entire field garner more sponsorship...
or with streaming live online, fans could pick which riders feed they wanted to watch from.

this would greatly help the entire field garner more sponsorship.

great suggestion/thread.
Not only that but you could sell the "select a rider" feed for an additional cost. I think that people would happily pay for something like that. You could go back and watch the entire race from 1,2,7,22,41's etc, perspective.
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GuppyGahoo 2/16/2011 4:52am
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The problem is the television programming is recorded live so they can only use canned GoPro footage for the time being. As of right now is there anything comparable in size to a GoPro/Contour that can also stream live?
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flarider 2/16/2011 5:33am
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Guys, hate to burst your bubble, but they can't get live wire to work for a full race without hiccuping or crashing, you think live onboard video feeds will work?
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motogrady 2/16/2011 6:03am
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I remember awhile back they said to go live you need one person for each camera on the sidelines recieving signal.
Which is lost when they are out of sight.


Agreeded, if anyone can't see what the gopro brings to a show, well, they're just stupid imo.
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newmann 2/16/2011 6:04am
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12 minute mains don't allow much time to show multiple views of the race. There is so much potential, but this sport is ass backwards from so many angles it's not even funny.
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GuppyGahoo wrote:
The problem is the television programming is recorded live so they can only use canned GoPro footage for the time being. As of right now is...
The problem is the television programming is recorded live so they can only use canned GoPro footage for the time being. As of right now is there anything comparable in size to a GoPro/Contour that can also stream live?
Live remote cameras the size of a woman's lipstick are readily available, and they can transmit the video to a receiver. At auto races they have sometimes used helicopters or blimps to carry the receiver, but in a stadium you can maintain line of sight from the press box or in a roofed stadium from the catwalks over the track. It just comes down to a decision whether the broadcast company wants to spend the money to do it.
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SteveS wrote:
Live remote cameras the size of a woman's lipstick are readily available, and they can transmit the video to a receiver. At auto races they have...
Live remote cameras the size of a woman's lipstick are readily available, and they can transmit the video to a receiver. At auto races they have sometimes used helicopters or blimps to carry the receiver, but in a stadium you can maintain line of sight from the press box or in a roofed stadium from the catwalks over the track. It just comes down to a decision whether the broadcast company wants to spend the money to do it.
Bingo. They already have onboard cams in the GP's. Granted they are not HD but they are live non the less. Tear off system and all.

Wasn't it a few years ago MX Sports debated having the top 5 or 10 wear them outdoors?
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JustMX 2/16/2011 8:33am
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We have talked about this in the past.

It would be awesome for the next day shows and season highlight DVDs.

Can imagine the view from Stewart's if he had on last race?

How about WIndham's view when things started to go wrong?

How about Canard's view going into the first turn (I am surprised nobody has discussed how close he came to going down when he got squeezed agains the tough blocks)

That is the kind of stuff viewers need to see.
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sbarrington314 wrote:
like instead of showing a replay of the same start i just saw 30 seconds before, (not to mention i could rewind it, who doesnt have...
like instead of showing a replay of the same start i just saw 30 seconds before, (not to mention i could rewind it, who doesnt have a dvr) show a replay but from a helmet cam. i know that would wow alot of people that dont ride but are interested enough to watch on tv.
wouldnt it be feld that made that decision?
I don't. :-D

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RandoShadow 2/16/2011 12:37pm
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
Bingo. They already have onboard cams in the GP's. Granted they are not HD but they are live non the less. Tear off system and all...
Bingo. They already have onboard cams in the GP's. Granted they are not HD but they are live non the less. Tear off system and all.

Wasn't it a few years ago MX Sports debated having the top 5 or 10 wear them outdoors?
MotoGP now has on board HD cams, they also have those gyroscopic ones that are cool. There are actually like 3+ cameras on every bike
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MBBadgers 2/16/2011 12:42pm
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flarider wrote:
Well, one day MX will figure it out. NASCAR charges for on-board cameras, paid for by the sponsors, that's why you see the logo visible (via...
Well, one day MX will figure it out.
NASCAR charges for on-board cameras, paid for by the sponsors, that's why you see the logo visible (via decal) in the frame.
If MX did that, and used the footage for broadcast, it would add a whole new dimension, and the kind of dimension that would put fans on the bikes, in the race.
That would bring more fans to watch it on TV
Mod Killer wrote:
or with streaming live online, fans could pick which riders feed they wanted to watch from. this would greatly help the entire field garner more sponsorship...
or with streaming live online, fans could pick which riders feed they wanted to watch from.

this would greatly help the entire field garner more sponsorship.

great suggestion/thread.
And who get's the sponsorship money? Go-Pro was Josh Hills sponsor, then the promoters said no, then GoPro became the promoters sponsor and not Hills, so who would get this sponsorship money?
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motogrady 2/16/2011 12:46pm
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MBBadgers wrote:
And who get's the sponsorship money? Go-Pro was Josh Hills sponsor, then the promoters said no, then GoPro became the promoters sponsor and not Hills, so...
And who get's the sponsorship money? Go-Pro was Josh Hills sponsor, then the promoters said no, then GoPro became the promoters sponsor and not Hills, so who would get this sponsorship money?
probally a lawyer.
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Mod Killer 2/17/2011 5:01pm
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flarider wrote:
Well, one day MX will figure it out. NASCAR charges for on-board cameras, paid for by the sponsors, that's why you see the logo visible (via...
Well, one day MX will figure it out.
NASCAR charges for on-board cameras, paid for by the sponsors, that's why you see the logo visible (via decal) in the frame.
If MX did that, and used the footage for broadcast, it would add a whole new dimension, and the kind of dimension that would put fans on the bikes, in the race.
That would bring more fans to watch it on TV
Mod Killer wrote:
or with streaming live online, fans could pick which riders feed they wanted to watch from. this would greatly help the entire field garner more sponsorship...
or with streaming live online, fans could pick which riders feed they wanted to watch from.

this would greatly help the entire field garner more sponsorship.

great suggestion/thread.
MBBadgers wrote:
And who get's the sponsorship money? Go-Pro was Josh Hills sponsor, then the promoters said no, then GoPro became the promoters sponsor and not Hills, so...
And who get's the sponsorship money? Go-Pro was Josh Hills sponsor, then the promoters said no, then GoPro became the promoters sponsor and not Hills, so who would get this sponsorship money?
any increased exposure for a rider, if marketed properly to a potential sponsor, is valuable. if each of the 20 riders on the grid has there own feed, that fans can tap into from a live online feed, and each one of those online feeds has the riders title sponsor plastered in a small corner of the screen, then it is a really good way for every rider/team to sell themselves to a sponsor.

even riders in the back, as they will have the best view of the action.



im just thinking out loud.
Underground 2/17/2011 5:24pm
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A fish eye lens or similar to periphial vision would be good too so you can actually see when someone is stuffing a front wheel in or running alongside instead of just the vision as they're blowing past. Rearview would be awsome too. Imagine being able to switch between different cameras on a rider to get the vision YOU want.
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Matt Wozney 2/17/2011 6:43pm
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GoPro cameras can't do a live feed on the spot (unless they have some weightless doohickey that can beam out the signal to the TV truck but you are talking about more weight on top of the helmet). For example, I got GoPro's new LCDBacPac which is a LCD screen that attaches to the back of the device. The part weights around 4-5 ounces and I attached to my GoPro and then, put on my brother's helmet for a lap around our local track. He could tell it was heavier than normal when I just had the camera itself and no LCD.

What happened to those other on-board cams the networks used? Example:






Not GoPro....but I tell ya that camera setup wasn't cheap. Maybe GoPro was the cheap (or in this case profitable thru sponsorship) way out for on-board cameras at SX? I know of some top level on-board cams go into the thousands of dollars. Anyone got the budget to get 40 (20 for Lites/20 for SX) but first, will the riders choose to run it? I don't see it happening for awhile....if ever.

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