Trump says "Iran agreed to everything"

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6/20/2026 10:18am Edited Date/Time 6/20/2026 10:18am
matt.3150 wrote:

You’re upset that I used what you said against you!  

MoogenKen wrote:
I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your...

I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. 

How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your point is moot. 
 

After these latest biolab disclosures, Putin’s reasoning for invading Ukraine is pretty solid. The tale you believe is a fallacy. 

You don’t think Hamas, or Hezbolla, would walk a suitcase bomb across our border? 
 

Russia is not a threat to us. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. A bunch of Ukrainian ragtag misfits are kicking the shit out of Russia with our equipment. What do you think that our professional trained force would do to Russia? Besides back them in to a corner, where nukes are all they’ve got left. 

My combat experience started 19Dec89. I’ve also worked for DOE and DOD. 
 

 

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that...

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that Russia was putting out disinformation about them. And that they were only studying the impacts of the flu on Ukrainian hogs . 

 

Of course I may have missed something in there so feel free to post some quotes with links to the page and document number.  

 

So are you in denial that the US funded the Wuhan virology lab and all this other shit and it killed 7 million people worldwide? 

Are you really defending that? 

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6/20/2026 10:41am Edited Date/Time 6/20/2026 10:43am
MoogenKen wrote:

What’s your branch and date of service, Temu Matt? 

matt.3150 wrote:

You’re upset that I used what you said against you!  

MoogenKen wrote:
I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your...

I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. 

How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your point is moot. 
 

After these latest biolab disclosures, Putin’s reasoning for invading Ukraine is pretty solid. The tale you believe is a fallacy. 

You don’t think Hamas, or Hezbolla, would walk a suitcase bomb across our border? 
 

Russia is not a threat to us. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. A bunch of Ukrainian ragtag misfits are kicking the shit out of Russia with our equipment. What do you think that our professional trained force would do to Russia? Besides back them in to a corner, where nukes are all they’ve got left. 

My combat experience started 19Dec89. I’ve also worked for DOE and DOD. 
 

 

Are you saying Hamas or Hezbollah would walk across our borders with a nuke in a suitcase?

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6/20/2026 11:42am
MoogenKen wrote:
I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your...

I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. 

How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your point is moot. 
 

After these latest biolab disclosures, Putin’s reasoning for invading Ukraine is pretty solid. The tale you believe is a fallacy. 

You don’t think Hamas, or Hezbolla, would walk a suitcase bomb across our border? 
 

Russia is not a threat to us. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. A bunch of Ukrainian ragtag misfits are kicking the shit out of Russia with our equipment. What do you think that our professional trained force would do to Russia? Besides back them in to a corner, where nukes are all they’ve got left. 

My combat experience started 19Dec89. I’ve also worked for DOE and DOD. 
 

 

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that...

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that Russia was putting out disinformation about them. And that they were only studying the impacts of the flu on Ukrainian hogs . 

 

Of course I may have missed something in there so feel free to post some quotes with links to the page and document number.  

 

MoogenKen wrote:
So are you in denial that the US funded the Wuhan virology lab and all this other shit and it killed 7 million people worldwide? Are you...

So are you in denial that the US funded the Wuhan virology lab and all this other shit and it killed 7 million people worldwide? 

Are you really defending that? 

The US  has dropped sanctions on Russian oil to help drop oil prices.  So is  the person who made that decision solely responsible for  funding of the attacks on the Ukraine  by allowing the oil to be sold? 

 

 It would be interesting if the documents had a breakdown of how much and when the funding was given. And what it was given for. When it may have been used, etc.

 For example the ones that show the funding for the Ukraine labs say that it was for building  and lab equipment for one and equipment for another.  But didn't have any dates that said when that was provided that I saw . It talked about one lab having held dangerous stuff back in 2010. And that one was a former Russian bioweapons lab when  it was under control of Russia.  But didn't say when the lab that was built, was built. 

  The funding that they  explained  was  only for building and equipment.  

 

In my very limited experience with applying for a grant. That info should be available and have a lot of details if it went through an official grant program. Or should be trackable to at least the year and amount if they can prove that there was any level of funding provided.   

 

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6/20/2026 11:46am

So Israel talked us into this mess and is the cause of it continuing ?    Side note, Hope everybody is watching Highpoint. Prado is gaining on Jett. Hunter has 15 seconds on Jett 

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6/20/2026 11:49am
MoogenKen wrote:

We need to continue bombing them back to the stone age. Shouldn’t take a long time. 

Sounds like some of you are closet Iranians. 

You are going to get wisked away to a familiar place. I'd be walking on egg shells.

TM

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6/20/2026 11:51am
MoogenKen wrote:

We need to continue bombing them back to the stone age. Shouldn’t take a long time. 

Sounds like some of you are closet Iranians. 

ToolMaker wrote:

You are going to get wisked away to a familiar place. I'd be walking on egg shells.

TM

I’ve already exited stage left. 

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6/20/2026 11:54am
matt.3150 wrote:

You’re upset that I used what you said against you!  

MoogenKen wrote:
I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your...

I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. 

How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your point is moot. 
 

After these latest biolab disclosures, Putin’s reasoning for invading Ukraine is pretty solid. The tale you believe is a fallacy. 

You don’t think Hamas, or Hezbolla, would walk a suitcase bomb across our border? 
 

Russia is not a threat to us. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. A bunch of Ukrainian ragtag misfits are kicking the shit out of Russia with our equipment. What do you think that our professional trained force would do to Russia? Besides back them in to a corner, where nukes are all they’ve got left. 

My combat experience started 19Dec89. I’ve also worked for DOE and DOD. 
 

 

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that...

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that Russia was putting out disinformation about them. And that they were only studying the impacts of the flu on Ukrainian hogs . 

 

Of course I may have missed something in there so feel free to post some quotes with links to the page and document number.  

 

Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now they just fill their days with "orange man bad", believing they never have to have any actual policy to promote. 🤔

TM

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matt.3150 wrote:
So let me get this right your opinion that fighting a military that has the largest and most advanced Thermo nuclear weapons stockpile and a much...

So let me get this right your opinion that fighting a military that has the largest and most advanced Thermo nuclear weapons stockpile and a much more modern military that poses a much greater risk to the USA and our European allies is soft and girly but attacking a country that doesn’t have any nuclear weapons and is only trying trying to produce the material that could be used in a nuclear weapons, has mostly old military weapons. Iran doesn’t even have the ability to attack the continental United States is tough and strong!   🤦

MoogenKen wrote:

What’s your branch and date of service, Temu Matt? 

matt.3150 wrote:

You’re upset that I used what you said against you!  

Iran does have the ability to attack outside of their country. 
Hamas/Lebanon ring a bell? 

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6/20/2026 12:45pm

Just amazing how many know it alls there is here. 
Gonna go play with some tits. Have fun circle jerking. 

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6/20/2026 1:04pm
Chance1216 wrote:

Just amazing how many know it alls there is here. 
Gonna go play with some tits. Have fun circle jerking. 

I don't think I've heard a better idea in ages!

TM

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matt.3150 wrote:
So let me get this right your opinion that fighting a military that has the largest and most advanced Thermo nuclear weapons stockpile and a much...

So let me get this right your opinion that fighting a military that has the largest and most advanced Thermo nuclear weapons stockpile and a much more modern military that poses a much greater risk to the USA and our European allies is soft and girly but attacking a country that doesn’t have any nuclear weapons and is only trying trying to produce the material that could be used in a nuclear weapons, has mostly old military weapons. Iran doesn’t even have the ability to attack the continental United States is tough and strong!   🤦

MoogenKen wrote:

What’s your branch and date of service, Temu Matt? 

What was yours?

6/20/2026 1:41pm
MoogenKen wrote:
I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your...

I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. 

How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your point is moot. 
 

After these latest biolab disclosures, Putin’s reasoning for invading Ukraine is pretty solid. The tale you believe is a fallacy. 

You don’t think Hamas, or Hezbolla, would walk a suitcase bomb across our border? 
 

Russia is not a threat to us. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. A bunch of Ukrainian ragtag misfits are kicking the shit out of Russia with our equipment. What do you think that our professional trained force would do to Russia? Besides back them in to a corner, where nukes are all they’ve got left. 

My combat experience started 19Dec89. I’ve also worked for DOE and DOD. 
 

 

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that...

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that Russia was putting out disinformation about them. And that they were only studying the impacts of the flu on Ukrainian hogs . 

 

Of course I may have missed something in there so feel free to post some quotes with links to the page and document number.  

 

ToolMaker wrote:
Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now...

Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now they just fill their days with "orange man bad", believing they never have to have any actual policy to promote. 🤔

TM

Trump owns the headlines and Democrats feed into it by allowing themselves to be distracted by his actions instead of focusing on promoting police's .   Polices You or I  may not agree with but that may be more popular as a whole,  or  maybe not. But they are sucking on getting their message out for sure .   

 

It's a mutually beneficial relationship.  They both have their boogie men.   And these days fear of something being taken away seems to be a bigger motivator to vote than any real policy. 

 Trump gained many supporters by Owning the Libs.  And giving people somebody to blame for everything and be mad at. 

The Democrats are playing the same game with Trump being the target of blame and many democrats being happy to see him held accountable for things they feel he should face a consequence for.

 

 Trump is a master marketer and a medicor businessman.  And he's smoked the democrats at  controlling the headlines. But both are guilty of increasing the division of the country. And unfortunately that seems to be what most people want these days. Somebody else to blame for their problems.  I own all the problems I have in my life. Some may have had outside influence, but ultimately I'm responsible for being in the position I am to have the specific problem. ANd I played a part, big or small everybody is playing a part in the problems they have in their lives. The little choices they make that lead them to being in that situation.  And it seems less and less people are willing to own the issues that impact their day to day lives.   

 I do really miss the days when I could turn on the news and NOT have it full of people either blowing The president or talking shit on him.  

Wasn't that nice back when You could watch the news and not have it be a bunch of bias confirmation and rage bait?  And ratings didn't dictate how reporting was done to the crazy levels they do now.   The news was the news, it didn't try and make You feel a certain way about it. It was just information relayed to You and You decided how to take it. Good and bad. 

   

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Chance1216 wrote:

Just amazing how many know it alls there is here. 
Gonna go play with some tits. Have fun circle jerking. 

ToolMaker wrote:

I don't think I've heard a better idea in ages!

TM

That’s never a bad idea!

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6/20/2026 1:43pm Edited Date/Time 6/20/2026 1:52pm
matt.3150 wrote:
So let me get this right your opinion that fighting a military that has the largest and most advanced Thermo nuclear weapons stockpile and a much...

So let me get this right your opinion that fighting a military that has the largest and most advanced Thermo nuclear weapons stockpile and a much more modern military that poses a much greater risk to the USA and our European allies is soft and girly but attacking a country that doesn’t have any nuclear weapons and is only trying trying to produce the material that could be used in a nuclear weapons, has mostly old military weapons. Iran doesn’t even have the ability to attack the continental United States is tough and strong!   🤦

MoogenKen wrote:

What’s your branch and date of service, Temu Matt? 

LoudLove wrote:

What was yours?

US ARMY 16MAY86-02AUG06 11B/X 

You can call me, “Top”.

 

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MoogenKen wrote:

What’s your branch and date of service, Temu Matt? 

LoudLove wrote:

What was yours?

MoogenKen wrote:

US ARMY 16MAY86-02AUG06 11B/X 

You can call me, “Top”.

 

That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses the Pentagon secretly knew existed. Plus as an infantryman you well know ain’t no campaign gonna work without boots on the ground. You can’t bomb a country in the Stone Age back to the Stone Age. 

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LoudLove wrote:
That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses...

That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses the Pentagon secretly knew existed. Plus as an infantryman you well know ain’t no campaign gonna work without boots on the ground. You can’t bomb a country in the Stone Age back to the Stone Age. 

I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not the problem of boots on the ground, it’s the problem of political leader ship that doesn’t understand the mission. RLTMFWTBTHV

GHW Bush and General Schwarzkopf, stopped us from entering Baghdad in ‘91. Because there was no clear exit strategy. Then his dip shot son, got us back in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

25 years, for Biden to throw it all away in a day. 

I’ll be the first one to call Trump, Lt. Bonespurs. Don’t get me wrong. I have no respect for his four draft deferment's. I can’t stand the way he treats great men, like General Jim Mattis. 
 

But if you think I’m going to sit here and listen to the uninformed, that have probably never been out of the country, run down the American Fighting man; talking about Iran is kicking their ass, well that ain’t gonna happen. 

AND IM OUT! /end
 

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LoudLove wrote:
That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses...

That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses the Pentagon secretly knew existed. Plus as an infantryman you well know ain’t no campaign gonna work without boots on the ground. You can’t bomb a country in the Stone Age back to the Stone Age. 

MoogenKen wrote:
I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not...

I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not the problem of boots on the ground, it’s the problem of political leader ship that doesn’t understand the mission. RLTMFWTBTHV

GHW Bush and General Schwarzkopf, stopped us from entering Baghdad in ‘91. Because there was no clear exit strategy. Then his dip shot son, got us back in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

25 years, for Biden to throw it all away in a day. 

I’ll be the first one to call Trump, Lt. Bonespurs. Don’t get me wrong. I have no respect for his four draft deferment's. I can’t stand the way he treats great men, like General Jim Mattis. 
 

But if you think I’m going to sit here and listen to the uninformed, that have probably never been out of the country, run down the American Fighting man; talking about Iran is kicking their ass, well that ain’t gonna happen. 

AND IM OUT! /end
 

Nobody’s discrediting service members. We’re question leadership. Small Iranian victories play huge on the world stage.  The Pentagon knew it, the DoD knew it, and both warned of Iran’s potential.  Those warnings were ignored and followed by a strategy based solely on savage bombing campaigns. Where we are today has nothing to do with field personnel and everything to do with not understanding an opponent’s capabilities or ever defining what success looks like. 

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JerryVan wrote:

If there was ever an argument for renewable energy, it’s the fact that we won’t have to pay attention to the sandbox anymore. 

MoogenKen wrote:

Psst……..20% of the Worlds Oil Supply is in the Permian Basin. We don’t need them, or their oil. 

Why did the price of gas go up?

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LoudLove wrote:
That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses...

That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses the Pentagon secretly knew existed. Plus as an infantryman you well know ain’t no campaign gonna work without boots on the ground. You can’t bomb a country in the Stone Age back to the Stone Age. 

MoogenKen wrote:
I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not...

I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not the problem of boots on the ground, it’s the problem of political leader ship that doesn’t understand the mission. RLTMFWTBTHV

GHW Bush and General Schwarzkopf, stopped us from entering Baghdad in ‘91. Because there was no clear exit strategy. Then his dip shot son, got us back in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

25 years, for Biden to throw it all away in a day. 

I’ll be the first one to call Trump, Lt. Bonespurs. Don’t get me wrong. I have no respect for his four draft deferment's. I can’t stand the way he treats great men, like General Jim Mattis. 
 

But if you think I’m going to sit here and listen to the uninformed, that have probably never been out of the country, run down the American Fighting man; talking about Iran is kicking their ass, well that ain’t gonna happen. 

AND IM OUT! /end
 

"I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq"

Iran doesn't pull shit around the world, only in their neighborhood...

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6/20/2026 6:36pm Edited Date/Time 6/20/2026 6:37pm
JerryVan wrote:

If there was ever an argument for renewable energy, it’s the fact that we won’t have to pay attention to the sandbox anymore. 

MoogenKen wrote:

Psst……..20% of the Worlds Oil Supply is in the Permian Basin. We don’t need them, or their oil. 

Because this whole disaster has shown that -regardless of that number is true or not - it has NOT A SINGLE effect on oil markets…

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LoudLove wrote:
That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses...

That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses the Pentagon secretly knew existed. Plus as an infantryman you well know ain’t no campaign gonna work without boots on the ground. You can’t bomb a country in the Stone Age back to the Stone Age. 

MoogenKen wrote:
I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not...

I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not the problem of boots on the ground, it’s the problem of political leader ship that doesn’t understand the mission. RLTMFWTBTHV

GHW Bush and General Schwarzkopf, stopped us from entering Baghdad in ‘91. Because there was no clear exit strategy. Then his dip shot son, got us back in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

25 years, for Biden to throw it all away in a day. 

I’ll be the first one to call Trump, Lt. Bonespurs. Don’t get me wrong. I have no respect for his four draft deferment's. I can’t stand the way he treats great men, like General Jim Mattis. 
 

But if you think I’m going to sit here and listen to the uninformed, that have probably never been out of the country, run down the American Fighting man; talking about Iran is kicking their ass, well that ain’t gonna happen. 

AND IM OUT! /end
 

That withdrawal plan was made under the Trump admin and Biden extended the deadline.  There used to be this custom of US presidents not going back on the word of their predecessor and Biden should have followed Trumps example of pulling out of agreements made by past presidents  and not his plan to pull out of Afghanistan. 

 They both share the blame for how badly it went.

 Trump's lack of respect for service members and his divisive way he chooses to lead were the early on things I disliked about Trump. Attacking John McCain for being a POW. 

 

 By the way My Mother's parents were both in the Air Force , my grandfather got cancer from his service. My Dad was in the army during Vietnam, my stepsister the Air Force and my Brother the Air Force for 20 years. Retired and went to work for a defense contractor continuing what he learned in the Air force. I destroyed my foot when I was younger and never really had the chance to serve.  

 

 And when I think of the threats made by Trump and the casual nature he threw out " ending a civilization ", that people like all of my family and You , had to go and back up and risk their lives doing. And then for him to agree to that BS agreement  that has now blown up with Iran. He was told that just about everything Iran did would happen. By his military advisors but he didn't listen to them He listened to Netanyahu and now is stuck . He thought he knew better than all the military people whose job it is to plan out every possible scenario.  And lost the lives of 13 service members as a result. 

 

 I don't want Iran to win, when I'm saying they didn't lose I'm not happy about it. But at the sametime I  don't see what that agreement was as a win when Iran could have continued to fund Terra groups and would have had 100's of Billions of Dollars to do it with.  In a way, its good that agreement fell apart.  It was never going to hold as long as Israel was not willing to stop. 

 

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LoudLove wrote:
That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses...

That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses the Pentagon secretly knew existed. Plus as an infantryman you well know ain’t no campaign gonna work without boots on the ground. You can’t bomb a country in the Stone Age back to the Stone Age. 

MoogenKen wrote:
I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not...

I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not the problem of boots on the ground, it’s the problem of political leader ship that doesn’t understand the mission. RLTMFWTBTHV

GHW Bush and General Schwarzkopf, stopped us from entering Baghdad in ‘91. Because there was no clear exit strategy. Then his dip shot son, got us back in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

25 years, for Biden to throw it all away in a day. 

I’ll be the first one to call Trump, Lt. Bonespurs. Don’t get me wrong. I have no respect for his four draft deferment's. I can’t stand the way he treats great men, like General Jim Mattis. 
 

But if you think I’m going to sit here and listen to the uninformed, that have probably never been out of the country, run down the American Fighting man; talking about Iran is kicking their ass, well that ain’t gonna happen. 

AND IM OUT! /end
 

That withdrawal plan was made under the Trump admin and Biden extended the deadline.  There used to be this custom of US presidents not going back...

That withdrawal plan was made under the Trump admin and Biden extended the deadline.  There used to be this custom of US presidents not going back on the word of their predecessor and Biden should have followed Trumps example of pulling out of agreements made by past presidents  and not his plan to pull out of Afghanistan. 

 They both share the blame for how badly it went.

 Trump's lack of respect for service members and his divisive way he chooses to lead were the early on things I disliked about Trump. Attacking John McCain for being a POW. 

 

 By the way My Mother's parents were both in the Air Force , my grandfather got cancer from his service. My Dad was in the army during Vietnam, my stepsister the Air Force and my Brother the Air Force for 20 years. Retired and went to work for a defense contractor continuing what he learned in the Air force. I destroyed my foot when I was younger and never really had the chance to serve.  

 

 And when I think of the threats made by Trump and the casual nature he threw out " ending a civilization ", that people like all of my family and You , had to go and back up and risk their lives doing. And then for him to agree to that BS agreement  that has now blown up with Iran. He was told that just about everything Iran did would happen. By his military advisors but he didn't listen to them He listened to Netanyahu and now is stuck . He thought he knew better than all the military people whose job it is to plan out every possible scenario.  And lost the lives of 13 service members as a result. 

 

 I don't want Iran to win, when I'm saying they didn't lose I'm not happy about it. But at the sametime I  don't see what that agreement was as a win when Iran could have continued to fund Terra groups and would have had 100's of Billions of Dollars to do it with.  In a way, its good that agreement fell apart.  It was never going to hold as long as Israel was not willing to stop. 

 

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Long story short:  there was no “clean” exit from Afghanistan. US departure created an uncontrollably chaotic environment. We’re somewhat fortunate more lives were not lost or that an overzealous Taliban didn’t down a departing aircraft. 

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LoudLove wrote:
That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses...

That’s a lot of time served. Surprised you’re supporting this Iranian strategy. I agree on reeling in their nuclear development, but this campaign has exposed weaknesses the Pentagon secretly knew existed. Plus as an infantryman you well know ain’t no campaign gonna work without boots on the ground. You can’t bomb a country in the Stone Age back to the Stone Age. 

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I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not...

I’ll be quite honest, I questioned all this shit, from day one. I’ve personally seen the shit Iran pulls around the World, ie Iraq. It’s not the problem of boots on the ground, it’s the problem of political leader ship that doesn’t understand the mission. RLTMFWTBTHV

GHW Bush and General Schwarzkopf, stopped us from entering Baghdad in ‘91. Because there was no clear exit strategy. Then his dip shot son, got us back in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

25 years, for Biden to throw it all away in a day. 

I’ll be the first one to call Trump, Lt. Bonespurs. Don’t get me wrong. I have no respect for his four draft deferment's. I can’t stand the way he treats great men, like General Jim Mattis. 
 

But if you think I’m going to sit here and listen to the uninformed, that have probably never been out of the country, run down the American Fighting man; talking about Iran is kicking their ass, well that ain’t gonna happen. 

AND IM OUT! /end
 

That withdrawal plan was made under the Trump admin and Biden extended the deadline.  There used to be this custom of US presidents not going back...

That withdrawal plan was made under the Trump admin and Biden extended the deadline.  There used to be this custom of US presidents not going back on the word of their predecessor and Biden should have followed Trumps example of pulling out of agreements made by past presidents  and not his plan to pull out of Afghanistan. 

 They both share the blame for how badly it went.

 Trump's lack of respect for service members and his divisive way he chooses to lead were the early on things I disliked about Trump. Attacking John McCain for being a POW. 

 

 By the way My Mother's parents were both in the Air Force , my grandfather got cancer from his service. My Dad was in the army during Vietnam, my stepsister the Air Force and my Brother the Air Force for 20 years. Retired and went to work for a defense contractor continuing what he learned in the Air force. I destroyed my foot when I was younger and never really had the chance to serve.  

 

 And when I think of the threats made by Trump and the casual nature he threw out " ending a civilization ", that people like all of my family and You , had to go and back up and risk their lives doing. And then for him to agree to that BS agreement  that has now blown up with Iran. He was told that just about everything Iran did would happen. By his military advisors but he didn't listen to them He listened to Netanyahu and now is stuck . He thought he knew better than all the military people whose job it is to plan out every possible scenario.  And lost the lives of 13 service members as a result. 

 

 I don't want Iran to win, when I'm saying they didn't lose I'm not happy about it. But at the sametime I  don't see what that agreement was as a win when Iran could have continued to fund Terra groups and would have had 100's of Billions of Dollars to do it with.  In a way, its good that agreement fell apart.  It was never going to hold as long as Israel was not willing to stop. 

 

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Just to add that the Taliban took back control of Afghanistan, Trump let the Taliban leader that was in a Pakistani prison out. Also Trump had them at Camp David to negotiate.  

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MoogenKen wrote:
I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your...

I’m not upset at all. But you proved my point. 

How about that missle at Diego Garcia? Shows Iran could reach our European non allies. So, your point is moot. 
 

After these latest biolab disclosures, Putin’s reasoning for invading Ukraine is pretty solid. The tale you believe is a fallacy. 

You don’t think Hamas, or Hezbolla, would walk a suitcase bomb across our border? 
 

Russia is not a threat to us. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. A bunch of Ukrainian ragtag misfits are kicking the shit out of Russia with our equipment. What do you think that our professional trained force would do to Russia? Besides back them in to a corner, where nukes are all they’ve got left. 

My combat experience started 19Dec89. I’ve also worked for DOE and DOD. 
 

 

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that...

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that Russia was putting out disinformation about them. And that they were only studying the impacts of the flu on Ukrainian hogs . 

 

Of course I may have missed something in there so feel free to post some quotes with links to the page and document number.  

 

ToolMaker wrote:
Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now...

Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now they just fill their days with "orange man bad", believing they never have to have any actual policy to promote. 🤔

TM

Yeah, it’s wild how Democrats never talk about healthcare, taxes, wages, infrastructure, prescription drug costs, climate policy, voting rights, education, labor unions, or immigration. 


 


 

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You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that...

You still didn't read the documents about the labs in the Ukraine I see.   While there was worry about the labs, the worry was that Russia was putting out disinformation about them. And that they were only studying the impacts of the flu on Ukrainian hogs . 

 

Of course I may have missed something in there so feel free to post some quotes with links to the page and document number.  

 

ToolMaker wrote:
Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now...

Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now they just fill their days with "orange man bad", believing they never have to have any actual policy to promote. 🤔

TM

matt.3150 wrote:

Yeah, it’s wild how Democrats never talk about healthcare, taxes, wages, infrastructure, prescription drug costs, climate policy, voting rights, education, labor unions, or immigration. 


 


 

If only complaining about stuff was equivalent to a comprehensive policy they have a lock!

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ToolMaker wrote:
Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now...

Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now they just fill their days with "orange man bad", believing they never have to have any actual policy to promote. 🤔

TM

matt.3150 wrote:

Yeah, it’s wild how Democrats never talk about healthcare, taxes, wages, infrastructure, prescription drug costs, climate policy, voting rights, education, labor unions, or immigration. 


 


 

ToolMaker wrote:

If only complaining about stuff was equivalent to a comprehensive policy they have a lock!

Funny framing, because ‘complaining about stuff’ is literally what you just did about Democrats. By that logic, you’re also not talking about policy — you’re just complaining about Democrats


 

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ToolMaker wrote:
Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now...

Don't you just wish the liberal Democrats had some actual policy they could talk about? Trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. Now they just fill their days with "orange man bad", believing they never have to have any actual policy to promote. 🤔

TM

matt.3150 wrote:

Yeah, it’s wild how Democrats never talk about healthcare, taxes, wages, infrastructure, prescription drug costs, climate policy, voting rights, education, labor unions, or immigration. 


 


 

ToolMaker wrote:

If only complaining about stuff was equivalent to a comprehensive policy they have a lock!

Complaining is hardly a democrat monopoly.   

 If only he spent more time on working on a deal with Iran than he has on renovation and decoration projects.  Sometimes I feel like I'm watching a show on HG Tv when I see his press events. Talking about pool renovations,bathrooms and ballrooms, hanging picture's and gold swirly things on the walls, new curtains , etc.  

 

    For a minute think about the meltdowns' Fox News  and Republicans would be having if a Democrat was the President and things were exactly how they are right now. With the President throwing a birthday party for himself, and decorating Washington DC .While putting that shit agreement together with Iran. That's already falling apart  because of the interference of the same person who BSed Trump into the war. 

 And yet many Trump supporters cheer him on.  

 

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