MX/SX is really unique when it comes to disclosure

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Edited Date/Time 1/21/2012 12:15pm
I know this has been discussed before but why is it that salaries in our sport are not shared? I read this morning that Vlad rad signed with the O's for 8 million.
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People get all butthurt discussing income. Never understood why. It's not a measure of anything.
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If anybody found out how bad the pay for was for anything outside the top 5-7 guys, the amateur system would dry up.
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It's no one's business what the rider's make. People have the odd assumption that celebrities private should be shared withe the public. If they want to share it, fine. If not, that's their business.
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Rooster wrote:
If anybody found out how bad the pay for was for anything outside the top 5-7 guys, the amateur system would dry up.
Very true.

My son made more as an amateur.

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Vazscep wrote:
It's no one's business what the rider's make. People have the odd assumption that celebrities private should be shared withe the public. If they want to...
It's no one's business what the rider's make. People have the odd assumption that celebrities private should be shared withe the public. If they want to share it, fine. If not, that's their business.
Exactly.

I know that I don't want someone coming up to me and asking what I make a year.
2/5/2011 12:12pm
jmar wrote:
Very true.

My son made more as an amateur.
I don't want to be nosy or anything, But about how much do you think a top amatuer kid makes? Just out of curiosity because i always wonder this. I'm talking about kids like Justin Bogle, Adam Ciancurilo, or just a kid that's top 3 at Loretta's in the A class.(I know Ciancurilo is in Supermini's,just used him as an example.)
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Vazscep wrote:
It's no one's business what the rider's make. People have the odd assumption that celebrities private should be shared withe the public. If they want to...
It's no one's business what the rider's make. People have the odd assumption that celebrities private should be shared withe the public. If they want to share it, fine. If not, that's their business.
jmar wrote:
Exactly.

I know that I don't want someone coming up to me and asking what I make a year.
I don't want to know how much you make a year. Just curious on the reasoning behind WHY you are so protective of something that means nothing in the whole sceme of life?

For the record my 2010 W2 is $42,584. I don't care who makes more or who makes less. Means nothing. It's not a measure of a person.
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Mstock wrote:
I don't want to know how much you make a year. Just curious on the reasoning behind WHY you are so protective of something that means...
I don't want to know how much you make a year. Just curious on the reasoning behind WHY you are so protective of something that means nothing in the whole sceme of life?

For the record my 2010 W2 is $42,584. I don't care who makes more or who makes less. Means nothing. It's not a measure of a person.
$42.5 your a *baller* in WI.

42k doesn't even get you within a two hour commute of the real world of NYC / LA

It's all relative to overhead and happiness...........very few insiders in sx/mx make salary relative to the real world.

IRS anonymity is a huge factor to full disclosure.
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It really is unreal that salaries of industry jobs is not widely published. How is a kid supposed to decide on a career path in this industry? Seriously, would these kids chase the dream of MX stardom if it didn't pay well? Would their parents fund their amateur career? Doubt it.

And what about jobs such as a mechanic? Is that pay publicized?

When my professional athlete dream dried up I decided on a career that paid the most money for my education level. Surely don't regret my decision as it has given me the funds to buy all of the bikes in my garage and the expenses involved with owning them. Even after 23 years I still like my job too.

It's great to have a job that you love if it doesn't pay well but at some point the adult responsibility thing will kick in and bills will have to be paid.
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Mstock wrote:
I don't want to know how much you make a year. Just curious on the reasoning behind WHY you are so protective of something that means...
I don't want to know how much you make a year. Just curious on the reasoning behind WHY you are so protective of something that means nothing in the whole sceme of life?

For the record my 2010 W2 is $42,584. I don't care who makes more or who makes less. Means nothing. It's not a measure of a person.
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$42.5 your a *baller* in WI. 42k doesn't even get you within a two hour commute of the real world of NYC / LA It's all...
$42.5 your a *baller* in WI.

42k doesn't even get you within a two hour commute of the real world of NYC / LA

It's all relative to overhead and happiness...........very few insiders in sx/mx make salary relative to the real world.

IRS anonymity is a huge factor to full disclosure.
42k is near poverty anywhere in the USA but that does not make me a worse or better person than anyone else. So your point is the reason people don't want others to know what they make is because of IRS implications? So as a whole the mx/sx industry are criminals?
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Team sports have salary caps, revenue sharing, and unions. Since the teams have to stay within salary cap limits (or pay luxury taxes depending on the sport) it makes each persons "deal" relevant to the others which in turn becomes public.

And I agree 100% with those above who stated that if it was public what most riders made we would all be embarrassed for the sport.

The reason you hear about it so commonly in mainstream sports is that they are bragging because they just signed a 10-20 million deal (or whatever the amount was). You don't really read about the 3rd string undrafted bench warmer because he is making good money relative to the rest of the world but it is nothing to brag about to the media.

Would a professional SX racer who qualifies for main events really want the rest of the world to know he is lucky to clear $30k a year (or less in some cases)? Other than the top tier riders, there is nothing to brag about. We have all read estimates for Stewart and Aussie reports about Reed. I am sure RV and a few others are doing very well and will be set for life. As for the rest, good luck when your career is over because you will be finding a regular job. Sad but true.
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2/5/2011 3:03pm Edited Date/Time 2/5/2011 3:07pm
braaap wrote:
It really is unreal that salaries of industry jobs is not widely published. How is a kid supposed to decide on a career path in this...
It really is unreal that salaries of industry jobs is not widely published. How is a kid supposed to decide on a career path in this industry? Seriously, would these kids chase the dream of MX stardom if it didn't pay well? Would their parents fund their amateur career? Doubt it.

And what about jobs such as a mechanic? Is that pay publicized?

When my professional athlete dream dried up I decided on a career that paid the most money for my education level. Surely don't regret my decision as it has given me the funds to buy all of the bikes in my garage and the expenses involved with owning them. Even after 23 years I still like my job too.

It's great to have a job that you love if it doesn't pay well but at some point the adult responsibility thing will kick in and bills will have to be paid.
I made $30k as Racer X's Online Editor.
I made $24k as a New Media Assistant for Fuel TV.

Like Mstock I don't care who knows that. I made less money in 2010 but had the time of my life.

*I also feel the need to note that 2010 was the first year in a decade that I didn't ride a dirt bike or go to a single race. I'm still a fan of pro racing but have decided the "industry" is not for me.
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Barry Carsten would make more racing 4 classes at E-town on a nothing weekend than racing a National. Just sayin
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the knuckleheads that do not want to express their earnings to the fans are a bit twisted.we like to know because it gives us a gauge in the real world earnings.fans want to know all about the person or people they look up to or admire or idolize.
instead, they open up all the reported earnings to a thing called the i r s.twisted world we live in,aint it?
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Supercross seems like a microcosm of the US. Not a lot of income equality.
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Mstock wrote:
42k is near poverty anywhere in the USA but that does not make me a worse or better person than anyone else. So your point is...
42k is near poverty anywhere in the USA but that does not make me a worse or better person than anyone else. So your point is the reason people don't want others to know what they make is because of IRS implications? So as a whole the mx/sx industry are criminals?
Your salary or net worth does not define you, I'm sure your a good guy, I meant no disrespect.

The point being in a post Regan world, ( Dem.) you most likely pay more to your government ( real use and income taxes ) than say an earner of means that uses professional services ( Attorneys and Accountants ), so are the top earning corporations and individuals criminals?

No, just using the convoluted laws to keep a maximum percentage of what is earned. Money on services well spent. Like I said, overhead and expenses, IRS anonymity is a survival strategy.
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Mstock wrote:
42k is near poverty anywhere in the USA but that does not make me a worse or better person than anyone else. So your point is...
42k is near poverty anywhere in the USA but that does not make me a worse or better person than anyone else. So your point is the reason people don't want others to know what they make is because of IRS implications? So as a whole the mx/sx industry are criminals?
Has~Been wrote:
Your salary or net worth does not define you, I'm sure your a good guy, I meant no disrespect. The point being in a post Regan...
Your salary or net worth does not define you, I'm sure your a good guy, I meant no disrespect.

The point being in a post Regan world, ( Dem.) you most likely pay more to your government ( real use and income taxes ) than say an earner of means that uses professional services ( Attorneys and Accountants ), so are the top earning corporations and individuals criminals?

No, just using the convoluted laws to keep a maximum percentage of what is earned. Money on services well spent. Like I said, overhead and expenses, IRS anonymity is a survival strategy.
The QE is a bigger threat to your income than taxes. Inflation is the enemy.
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reason no one hears or talks about earnings.

it's nothing to brag about. or we would hear about it.
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Vazscep wrote:
It's no one's business what the rider's make. People have the odd assumption that celebrities private should be shared withe the public. If they want to...
It's no one's business what the rider's make. People have the odd assumption that celebrities private should be shared withe the public. If they want to share it, fine. If not, that's their business.
jmar wrote:
Exactly.

I know that I don't want someone coming up to me and asking what I make a year.
Mstock wrote:
I don't want to know how much you make a year. Just curious on the reasoning behind WHY you are so protective of something that means...
I don't want to know how much you make a year. Just curious on the reasoning behind WHY you are so protective of something that means nothing in the whole sceme of life?

For the record my 2010 W2 is $42,584. I don't care who makes more or who makes less. Means nothing. It's not a measure of a person.
you are able to post your income because you dont run the risk of anyone being jealous of you. not bashing, just truth.

i would have no problem posting what i earn, but i know that it would greatly affect how people here treated me or saw my views. not insecurity, again, just the truth.

when i raced professionally, i drove a beat up 2wd toyota to practice and to local races. even tho i had a nice lexus in storage, i hated the way people treated me in the transition from amateur nobody...to amateur next great racer.....to young pro. that was hard enough to deal with.

so i kept my nice car a secret from all my peers and friends within the sport. it wasnt honest, and maybe if people look at you different becuase of what you own or earn, you dont want to be there friend anyway....but life is alienating as it is as a racer. throw in the unjustified jealousy of fans or peers or internet forum superstars and its just too much to take.

like i said, i have no problem with what i make. its everyone else that has the issue. and i think others in my shoes can agree.
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jmar wrote:
Exactly.

I know that I don't want someone coming up to me and asking what I make a year.
Mstock wrote:
I don't want to know how much you make a year. Just curious on the reasoning behind WHY you are so protective of something that means...
I don't want to know how much you make a year. Just curious on the reasoning behind WHY you are so protective of something that means nothing in the whole sceme of life?

For the record my 2010 W2 is $42,584. I don't care who makes more or who makes less. Means nothing. It's not a measure of a person.
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you are able to post your income because you dont run the risk of anyone being jealous of you. not bashing, just truth. i would have...
you are able to post your income because you dont run the risk of anyone being jealous of you. not bashing, just truth.

i would have no problem posting what i earn, but i know that it would greatly affect how people here treated me or saw my views. not insecurity, again, just the truth.

when i raced professionally, i drove a beat up 2wd toyota to practice and to local races. even tho i had a nice lexus in storage, i hated the way people treated me in the transition from amateur nobody...to amateur next great racer.....to young pro. that was hard enough to deal with.

so i kept my nice car a secret from all my peers and friends within the sport. it wasnt honest, and maybe if people look at you different becuase of what you own or earn, you dont want to be there friend anyway....but life is alienating as it is as a racer. throw in the unjustified jealousy of fans or peers or internet forum superstars and its just too much to take.

like i said, i have no problem with what i make. its everyone else that has the issue. and i think others in my shoes can agree.
Sad to hear you were treated badly by people because of your income and that it continues to effect your beliefs. I have no clue who you are but it's cool that a pro/ex pro can shed some light on these subjects. Thanks.

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