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He won t be a top 5 guy, if the guys are all healthy, he s about where i think he will finish! Nothing wrong with that!
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How come everyone's so concerned with KTM's marketing? Do they really think they can do a better job?

Getting one bike dialed and ready is enough of a chore. How would it work trying to dial in two bikes at the same time...or starting from scratch on a 450 now?
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Andrew has a job and does what his employer asks of him. If KTM is cool with the results then more power to Short. They did say it was a 3 year plan to be a factor at the top level before the season started. That said satelite teams have had better results so far.
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bigdan1967 2/4/2011 3:24pm
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I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen have a faster lap time with 100cc's less? Hmmmmmm.........

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new bike. new team. 350 or 450 i think the results will be about the same.
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JS
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You really think a 450 would make difference?!!!


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M-M wrote:
JS RV RD TC CR You really think a 450 would make difference?!!! [img]http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/15/128659648397439597.jpg[/img]
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You really think a 450 would make difference?!!!


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GuyB wrote:
How come everyone's so concerned with KTM's marketing? Do they really think they can do a better job?Getting one bike dialed and ready is enough of...
How come everyone's so concerned with KTM's marketing? Do they really think they can do a better job?

Getting one bike dialed and ready is enough of a chore. How would it work trying to dial in two bikes at the same time...or starting from scratch on a 450 now?
Guy,

The Chassis is Identical...the POWER is not...speaking to the "Set-Up" issue.

While I couldn't really care about KTM's marketing...I -WOULD- like to see Shorty on a bike with more "early" Torque.

I'm jus' knowin'...
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bigdan1967 wrote:
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen...
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen have a faster lap time with 100cc's less? Hmmmmmm.........
I agree 100% with you. Hansen would be top 5 in the supercross class. Short would not.
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All the people that listened in on the dmxs show and commented on Hannah''s comments didn't head his take on the 350? He seems to think it is just fine and perfectly competent .....why is everyone beating a dead horse
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bigdan1967 wrote:
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen...
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen have a faster lap time with 100cc's less? Hmmmmmm.........
IMHO, it's not just about lap times - it's about battling and starts. Even if you're a click faster than the guy in front of you, passing him with a 100cc displacement disadvantage is tough. If I remember right, when Windham raced a CRF250 @ Unadilla a couple of years ago, his practice times on an open track were pretty good but bad starts and his big size and weight on that 250 made it almost impossible to pass guys that he was faster than. Again, JMHO.
TripleFive 2/4/2011 4:28pm
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The only person faster than Andrew this season that wasn't in years past is Brayton. In my opinion he's finishing about where I expect him to with a full field.
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TripleFive wrote:
The only person faster than Andrew this season that wasn't in years past is Brayton. In my opinion he's finishing about where I expect him to...
The only person faster than Andrew this season that wasn't in years past is Brayton. In my opinion he's finishing about where I expect him to with a full field.
Brayton is fast as shit this year he has won 25% of the heats (2 of 8) and if he dosen't crash he right there or close by.
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A Honda CRF450 makes 52hp stone stock and weighs 226lbs.

The KTM350 makes about 48hp high in the rev range and weighs 237 lbs.

In what universe is this a better package for a top professional rider?
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Adam43 wrote:
A Honda CRF450 makes 52hp stone stock and weighs 226lbs. The KTM350 makes about 48hp high in the rev range and weighs 237 lbs. In what...
A Honda CRF450 makes 52hp stone stock and weighs 226lbs.

The KTM350 makes about 48hp high in the rev range and weighs 237 lbs.

In what universe is this a better package for a top professional rider?
oh ohhh... your bringing facts to the table.Whistling
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Adam43 wrote:
A Honda CRF450 makes 52hp stone stock and weighs 226lbs. The KTM350 makes about 48hp high in the rev range and weighs 237 lbs. In what...
A Honda CRF450 makes 52hp stone stock and weighs 226lbs.

The KTM350 makes about 48hp high in the rev range and weighs 237 lbs.

In what universe is this a better package for a top professional rider?
a bone stock honda weighs 244 pounds fueled up and ready to go.....honda was smoking crack when they listed the weight of their bikes........hondas 250f weighs 235 ready to go....that said on the pro level all these bikes are at the bare min weight which i believe is 226 ...with plenty of carbon and ti parts on them to get there
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bigdan1967 wrote:
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen...
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen have a faster lap time with 100cc's less? Hmmmmmm.........
how you ask? Because he is putting those laptimes down while racing other 250f's.... he can rail a 180 to clear a triple
without concern of being squared up or stuffed because a 250f wouldn't be able to triple out from the inside line. If a 450 was behind him, he's fucked. If he trys to protect his lead by taking the inside line, he can't do the triple, rythm section etc and if he goes outside, the 4 fiddy tractors around the inside line than goes BRUP...and seat bounce the whole track....

But of course this is all mute because the 250, or 350 would never be in front to begin with. HOLESHOTS are half the battle, especially in SX, not even Bubba can overcome a horrible start let alone a guy like Short who has to get the holeshot to win, nevermind a top 10 start.

450's have made the SX class, and the track, a pivot and shoot affair...so..................you need a 4-fiddy to win da 4 fiddy contest. imho
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jms217 2/4/2011 7:24pm
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Adam43 wrote:
A Honda CRF450 makes 52hp stone stock and weighs 226lbs. The KTM350 makes about 48hp high in the rev range and weighs 237 lbs. In what...
A Honda CRF450 makes 52hp stone stock and weighs 226lbs.

The KTM350 makes about 48hp high in the rev range and weighs 237 lbs.

In what universe is this a better package for a top professional rider?
onenastynotch wrote:
a bone stock honda weighs 244 pounds fueled up and ready to go.....honda was smoking crack when they listed the weight of their bikes........hondas 250f weighs...
a bone stock honda weighs 244 pounds fueled up and ready to go.....honda was smoking crack when they listed the weight of their bikes........hondas 250f weighs 235 ready to go....that said on the pro level all these bikes are at the bare min weight which i believe is 226 ...with plenty of carbon and ti parts on them to get there
well even if it true hondas weigh 244 i think all brands list dry weight. and it said on a racerx article that honda produces the lightest production bike.

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iudi2006 2/4/2011 7:27pm
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bigdan1967 wrote:
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen...
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen have a faster lap time with 100cc's less? Hmmmmmm.........
Karma wrote:
how you ask? Because he is putting those laptimes down while racing other 250f's.... he can rail a 180 to clear a triple without concern of...
how you ask? Because he is putting those laptimes down while racing other 250f's.... he can rail a 180 to clear a triple
without concern of being squared up or stuffed because a 250f wouldn't be able to triple out from the inside line. If a 450 was behind him, he's fucked. If he trys to protect his lead by taking the inside line, he can't do the triple, rythm section etc and if he goes outside, the 4 fiddy tractors around the inside line than goes BRUP...and seat bounce the whole track....

But of course this is all mute because the 250, or 350 would never be in front to begin with. HOLESHOTS are half the battle, especially in SX, not even Bubba can overcome a horrible start let alone a guy like Short who has to get the holeshot to win, nevermind a top 10 start.

450's have made the SX class, and the track, a pivot and shoot affair...so..................you need a 4-fiddy to win da 4 fiddy contest. imho
Couldn't have said it any better.
tiddlermx23 2/4/2011 7:35pm
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Like most responses, I feel it's not the bikes fault, all the fast guys are just healthy now.
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bigdan1967 wrote:
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen...
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen have a faster lap time with 100cc's less? Hmmmmmm.........
Karma wrote:
how you ask? Because he is putting those laptimes down while racing other 250f's.... he can rail a 180 to clear a triple without concern of...
how you ask? Because he is putting those laptimes down while racing other 250f's.... he can rail a 180 to clear a triple
without concern of being squared up or stuffed because a 250f wouldn't be able to triple out from the inside line. If a 450 was behind him, he's fucked. If he trys to protect his lead by taking the inside line, he can't do the triple, rythm section etc and if he goes outside, the 4 fiddy tractors around the inside line than goes BRUP...and seat bounce the whole track....

But of course this is all mute because the 250, or 350 would never be in front to begin with. HOLESHOTS are half the battle, especially in SX, not even Bubba can overcome a horrible start let alone a guy like Short who has to get the holeshot to win, nevermind a top 10 start.

450's have made the SX class, and the track, a pivot and shoot affair...so..................you need a 4-fiddy to win da 4 fiddy contest. imho
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Couldn't have said it any better.
holy mother of flipperjacks...someone gets it, thanks man.
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mxb2 wrote:
He won t be a top 5 guy, if the guys are all healthy, he s about where i think he will finish! Nothing wrong with...
He won t be a top 5 guy, if the guys are all healthy, he s about where i think he will finish! Nothing wrong with that!
x2.........metcalf has always beaten short and the field is deep..........how are you gonna develop and improve a bike if you dont race it week in and week out?........and btw short picked the 350 to race not the other way around
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bigdan1967 wrote:
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen...
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen have a faster lap time with 100cc's less? Hmmmmmm.........
Each and every week, the top 250 guys are gong to have faster lap times than some of the large bore guys.

Nothing new here.
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All the people that listened in on the dmxs show and commented on Hannah''s comments didn't head his take on the 350? He seems to think...
All the people that listened in on the dmxs show and commented on Hannah''s comments didn't head his take on the 350? He seems to think it is just fine and perfectly competent .....why is everyone beating a dead horse
[i]He seems to think it is just fine and perfectly competent .....why is everyone beating a dead horse[/i

Indoors, I agree, outdoors is a total different story.
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Adam43 wrote:
A Honda CRF450 makes 52hp stone stock and weighs 226lbs. The KTM350 makes about 48hp high in the rev range and weighs 237 lbs. In what...
A Honda CRF450 makes 52hp stone stock and weighs 226lbs.

The KTM350 makes about 48hp high in the rev range and weighs 237 lbs.

In what universe is this a better package for a top professional rider?
If they were racing stock bikes I might agree with your argument.
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IceMan446 2/4/2011 9:23pm
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So does any one think JS or RV would have an issue riding the 350 to a podium spot?
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Karma wrote:
how you ask? Because he is putting those laptimes down while racing other 250f's.... he can rail a 180 to clear a triple without concern of...
how you ask? Because he is putting those laptimes down while racing other 250f's.... he can rail a 180 to clear a triple
without concern of being squared up or stuffed because a 250f wouldn't be able to triple out from the inside line. If a 450 was behind him, he's fucked. If he trys to protect his lead by taking the inside line, he can't do the triple, rythm section etc and if he goes outside, the 4 fiddy tractors around the inside line than goes BRUP...and seat bounce the whole track....

But of course this is all mute because the 250, or 350 would never be in front to begin with. HOLESHOTS are half the battle, especially in SX, not even Bubba can overcome a horrible start let alone a guy like Short who has to get the holeshot to win, nevermind a top 10 start.

450's have made the SX class, and the track, a pivot and shoot affair...so..................you need a 4-fiddy to win da 4 fiddy contest. imho
Have to agree with you Karma, I can't see Hanny squeezing his 250 through this melee


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So does any one think JS or RV would have an issue riding the 350 to a podium spot?
yes
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Short is not a top 5 guy. He is finishing where he is suppose to. The bike is not holding Short back. The top guys not getting hurt are. Same goes for guys like Kdub,Milsaps and IT
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bigdan1967 wrote:
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen...
I used to agree with you but after looking at the lap times over the last few races, I changed my mind. How could Josh Hansen have a faster lap time with 100cc's less? Hmmmmmm.........
Karma wrote:
how you ask? Because he is putting those laptimes down while racing other 250f's.... he can rail a 180 to clear a triple without concern of...
how you ask? Because he is putting those laptimes down while racing other 250f's.... he can rail a 180 to clear a triple
without concern of being squared up or stuffed because a 250f wouldn't be able to triple out from the inside line. If a 450 was behind him, he's fucked. If he trys to protect his lead by taking the inside line, he can't do the triple, rythm section etc and if he goes outside, the 4 fiddy tractors around the inside line than goes BRUP...and seat bounce the whole track....

But of course this is all mute because the 250, or 350 would never be in front to begin with. HOLESHOTS are half the battle, especially in SX, not even Bubba can overcome a horrible start let alone a guy like Short who has to get the holeshot to win, nevermind a top 10 start.

450's have made the SX class, and the track, a pivot and shoot affair...so..................you need a 4-fiddy to win da 4 fiddy contest. imho
yup ^^^^^^

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