Deegan's rise is over

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It is interesting to compare Haiden's debut in 450 outdoors and Kay's debut in MXGP. Deegan has quite the speed but lacks finesse, while Kay misses...

It is interesting to compare Haiden's debut in 450 outdoors and Kay's debut in MXGP. Deegan has quite the speed but lacks finesse, while Kay misses a touch of speed but his technique is so much on point.

Kay also had thumb surgery right before the season started, right? So he's probably just getting back to 100% still, I expect him to win a couple overalls during the second half of the season. Ironically style wise they are both probably my favorites right now, it's a shame we likely only see one of them at the MXON. Would be sick to finally see them against each other.

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I am talking about bravery as it relates and only as it relates to sports and competition. In the face of greater competition, bravery is immensely...

I am talking about bravery as it relates and only as it relates to sports and competition. In the face of greater competition, bravery is immensely praiseworthy. In your example of drunkenness, bravery is a commonly misused term there, when people refer to drunken bravery what they actually mean is recklessness or carelessness, neither of which are bravery in the true sense. 
We can measure acts of bravery and courage side by side, and Haiden attempting to take on and defeat the Lawrences is the clear cut winner of bravery and courage over Jett’s management of his injury. What Haiden is attempting to do is seen as the undoable.

CASH476 wrote:
Mate, you're full of shit. There's nothing brave about a kid who's raced dirt bikes his whole life turning up to race dirt bikes. He's completely...

Mate, you're full of shit. There's nothing brave about a kid who's raced dirt bikes his whole life turning up to race dirt bikes. He's completely prepared, fit, healthy, supremely confident (or was) and on a good team. These guys are not firefighters running into a burning building. And we don't need an essay about the differences between bravery and courage. 

MPJC wrote:
I’m indulging my own interests in my essays. I apologize if I’m overdoing it, which I tend towards. What you said is excellent and more to...

I’m indulging my own interests in my essays. I apologize if I’m overdoing it, which I tend towards. What you said is excellent and more to the point. 

Ironic, given that you know that washingtonstate80-125cc is speaking, as you would say, colloquially.  You are simply entertaining yourself by unpacking terms here to get lost in the muck. It’s easy to stir a puddle to make the waters appear deep. 

Break it down for us common folk a bit. When you ask what Deegan is doing exactly that exceeds the level of bravery displayed by Jett, why is it that you suddenly leave the common speak for definitions of bravery when you know full well that washingtonstat80-125cc is comparing and contrasting Jett, the smooth, calculated rider in control, with the more, wfo style of Deegan, hammering corners and getting a bit loose on the track?  

 

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Mxracer06y wrote:

What an unbelievably ridiculously stupid comment. 

His bike blew up on the last 2 laps of moto 1 and DNF'd 🤦🏼 

Ohh, your right, so he came back in moto two and spanked Deegs right......oh....

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RangerLee wrote:
What are their points at? Ohh thats right one is 3rd in points and the other is 7th. Hang in there Prado, you may catch up...

What are their points at? Ohh thats right one is 3rd in points and the other is 7th. Hang in there Prado, you may catch up to RJ Hampshire eventually.

Mxracer06y wrote:

What an unbelievably ridiculously stupid comment. 

His bike blew up on the last 2 laps of moto 1 and DNF'd 🤦🏼 

I thought that was strange. I’m wondering if he missed a shift and over revved the bike…….

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Deegan's whole career is over now that he's raced two events and placed quite well in them. Hmmmm. 

I don't like the kid at all, but that hot take is absolutely unfounded. 

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Falcon wrote:
Deegan's whole career is over now that he's raced two events and placed quite well in them. Hmmmm. I don't like the kid at all, but that...

Deegan's whole career is over now that he's raced two events and placed quite well in them. Hmmmm. 

I don't like the kid at all, but that hot take is absolutely unfounded. 

You said Man!👍🏻

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CASH476 wrote:
Mate, you're full of shit. There's nothing brave about a kid who's raced dirt bikes his whole life turning up to race dirt bikes. He's completely...

Mate, you're full of shit. There's nothing brave about a kid who's raced dirt bikes his whole life turning up to race dirt bikes. He's completely prepared, fit, healthy, supremely confident (or was) and on a good team. These guys are not firefighters running into a burning building. And we don't need an essay about the differences between bravery and courage. 

MPJC wrote:
I’m indulging my own interests in my essays. I apologize if I’m overdoing it, which I tend towards. What you said is excellent and more to...

I’m indulging my own interests in my essays. I apologize if I’m overdoing it, which I tend towards. What you said is excellent and more to the point. 

The Moth wrote:
Ironic, given that you know that washingtonstate80-125cc is speaking, as you would say, colloquially.  You are simply entertaining yourself by unpacking terms here to get lost...

Ironic, given that you know that washingtonstate80-125cc is speaking, as you would say, colloquially.  You are simply entertaining yourself by unpacking terms here to get lost in the muck. It’s easy to stir a puddle to make the waters appear deep. 

Break it down for us common folk a bit. When you ask what Deegan is doing exactly that exceeds the level of bravery displayed by Jett, why is it that you suddenly leave the common speak for definitions of bravery when you know full well that washingtonstat80-125cc is comparing and contrasting Jett, the smooth, calculated rider in control, with the more, wfo style of Deegan, hammering corners and getting a bit loose on the track?  

 

You say: "you know full well that washingtonstat80-125cc is comparing and contrasting Jett, the smooth, calculated rider in control, with the more, wfo style of Deegan, hammering corners and getting a bit loose on the track?" I may be a bit thick, but I didn't know that. That's why I asked. If that's the point - that it takes more bravery to ride like Deegan than to ride like Jett - that doesn't seem plausible either. Is it because it's more dangerous? That doesn't seem right. Jett is, after all, the one currently  injured. And he's missed large chunks of time injured previously. Apparently, it's dangerous for him too. It's a dangerous sport for all of them. David Bailey was one of smoothest ever and he's paralyzed. Any argument that Deegan is brave due to the dangers of his profession applies to the rest of them too. 

But the above seems not to be the point. The point seemed to be that Deegan's underdog status is what makes him heroically brave. This is just silly. A rich, successful, 20 year old dominant champion on one of the most successful teams in the sport who just podiumed his second 450 race is the lowly underdog with no chance, bravely soldiering on in the face of overwhelming odds? This doesn't strike you as absurd? He's a kid having fun on a dirt bike and making a fine living at it. I and most others fully expect him to win - and probably fairly soon. Wouldn't the guy who qualifies 40th who can barely afford to get to the race, with his bike in an old worn out van be the bravest guy on the track if it's underdog status that makes someone brave?. That guy is certainly more of an underdog than Deegan. 

In any event, I don't want to start this up again. I take it that what you're really objecting to is what comes across as pretentiousness. That's probably a fair complaint and you're not the first one to make it. I've posted far less in the last few months not because of complaints, but because I'm trying to pick my spots and not make a nuisance of myself - and I'm not a very good judge of when I've become one. I didn't see myself as having deviated from 'normal speak' at all. That is normal for me. I'm probably not normal, and I'm happy with that, but I recognize that not everyone is. 

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Falcon wrote:
Deegan's whole career is over now that he's raced two events and placed quite well in them. Hmmmm. I don't like the kid at all, but that...

Deegan's whole career is over now that he's raced two events and placed quite well in them. Hmmmm. 

I don't like the kid at all, but that hot take is absolutely unfounded. 

No said his career is over, they said his rise is over, meaning they think he won’t get any further than he is now.

Everyone rises to their own level of incompetence - we just don’t know yet if that’s where Deegan is at.  He might improve himself i.e. get a little faster or fitter, but will it be enough to bridge the gap to Hunter and then to Jett?

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