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With how many motos there is, maybe add 2-3 throw-away motos?
Field gets decimated quickly. Prado out of championship. Jcoop out. After 2 rounds.
Herlings out. Gajser out, febvre out. After 1/3 of the season.
Tomac seems like a longer rest needed so not really applicable.
Sure it means something to make it to and through all the rounds. But more than anything, we want as many as possible to be in it, as long as possible. Don't we?
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Thats not how it works.
Well, we literally do it for the biggest race in our sport already.
No mulligans in motocross
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I think each rider should be able to drop their lowest moto of the summer. This isn’t prado or herlings related I’ve always thought this.
For SX? We already have it for motocross in MXoN so its not something new.
MXGP series is over.
Outdoors are 22 motos. MXGP is 40, or 60 if you count all point paying races. So 1 for AMA, 2-3 Motos for MXGP. Or at least 1 race.
I guess having 4 riders in it when going into final 1/4 or 1/5 would be preferred. Maybe 3 is ok. Not sure what number would be needed to make that happen.
Sorry Prado's bike broke aees, I know that must have been very hard for you. Stay strong and this too shall pass.
One has to appreciate Deegan running the pace he has been and keeping the bike upright. He has learned that anything can happen and you have to be in it to win it.
Amazing those top runners can stay up.
Cripes, Ive heard of some riders having trouble staying on their bikes in the pits now.
It's Jetts to lose, even if Prado doesn't have a mechanical.
I'm more bummed about MXGP.
MX and SX shouldn't be about consistency. That's when it gets boring.
If Prado's bike didn't break you would not have started this thread
It shouldn't? Why? Its about being the total package of everything. Speed, starts, consistency, racecraft. The current system seems to have worked for the history of the sport
Herlings just had two DNF. Think you should widen your view. I already posted about this before yesterday.
Again, we already apply throw-away motos in MXoN. So the history of the sport isn't correct.
I'll take a longer season than one ending 1/3 of the races in. The only thing now that can alter the MXGP Championship, is an injury or bike failure. That's what we have the next months to look forward to. 36 motos left, doesn't matter who wins them week in and out as long as Coen doesn't have at least two DNF.
It will be as boring as when Gajser checked out after round 4 or 5 a few years ago.
Ain't anything good for the sport in that.
well hell, lets not score points until the last round that way EVERYONE is tied going into the last race.
Well they drop a moto in a one off team race I guess thats good enough for me.
Can you give examples of how the points would have worked for past series? LaRocco v Emig, Pourcel twice, etc. Calculating those points would help your argument. I do think that the points structure can punish the worst finishes more than it rewards the best finishes.
But more motos increases the odds that everyone gets adversity and chaos.
For the MXoN, you dont want a one day 3 race format decided in Moto1 by a single DNF. That is just dumb.
For a championship, the guys with the most points should win, anything else is just a gimmick to keep it interesting.
Anything with a 'Chase' or double points , reverse grids ,or whatever other half arsed idea they come up with, is just telling me i dont need to watch it.
Dont start me on '1st race DNF gives you last gate pick'.
Every race should ONLY be about that race. Every one should count equally and not influence any other gate drop.
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That's the issue right now. Every race is not about the just that race because of the impact it has. A failed early moto or race impacts the rest of the season.
Worst season sever was Gajser checking out after 4 or 5 races with like 50+ points lead. Didn't even try to win races, because he didn't have to to win the championship. Those early Motos decided the season impacting it all.
Agree, just don't have the time but should be fairly easy to dump it into Claude.
Can just see now how it affects Herlings, and of course Prado and possibly Jcoop.
Just makes the rest of the season completely boring. Basically need to hope for DNF from Coenen otherwise the rest of the 15 races plays no part with 60 point lead.
If Prado is out of the championship it's because the AMA rules are that your 2nd moto gate pick is down to your 1st moto finish and not like MXGP on where you qualified.
Absolutely not. You want to see a sport lose its core loyal fans? Start doing these gimmicks of drops, points resets, playoffs, etc. Yes I know we have playoffs now but that’s a whole separate sideshow with just $, a fake championship and a pretty blue number plate. Every real fan knows it doesn’t mean shit vs a real MX title or SX title. Every race counts, you DNF, sorry that sucks for you. You’re out or hope everyone else does too. See nascar for the end result of gimmicks.
That was my first thought when I saw this….
Indeed, you post this "idea" of yours almost every other day. Give it a rest. It won't happen and it's a stupid idea anyway. That's not how sports work.
"Gee, I fucked up and/or my bike broke on me. Luckily I can scrap that result as they've altered the championship specially for snowflakes like me in this ugly ugly world!"
Take it up the chin and go on, for fucks' sake.
A current event sparked a discussion?
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Can you please show where I have posted this every other day? From what I know, I have made one post about it in another thread and that was weeks ago, after Herlings and Coenen both DNF.
I don’t hate this idea. But I also think 40 wide gates into a first turn are inbred and ruin more races than anything else.
I don’t see how qualifying first should leave any chance of you getting destroyed by a lapper in turn 1.
The multiple pile ups on Saturday are so dumb, but “it’s what the people want”
So you rather have 4 months of dead series with pretty much predetermined outcome?
I'm pretty sure the viewer numbers fall of dramatically ones a series dies like MXGP is doing.
I agree the double and triple points are gimmick. But if you can drop a moto result out of 6 in MXON, in a series stretching over several months containing 20-40 of them should have some room.
What Gajser did a few years ago, was lucking into a place where he could ride around 90% for 80% of the series. No one is celebrating that as a show case for major victory and great for the sport because the more boring races you can't find. Slightest hint of pace being to high, he just mailed it in.
It's like third race in triple crowns. "I'll take a fourth", good enough for a win. Hardly what hard core fans are wanting to see.
It’s true. I’m already done watching mxgp. Once coenen holeshot and checked out, it’s eh.
It’s a fine line before you do some gimicky playoff bull shit but 1 or 2 drop motos seems reasonable.
Use Prado dnf as an example. He’s out for the title, he’ll never push the same rest of this season compared to if he was still in the fight.
At that level nobody cares if they end up 4th overall or 2nd for the year. It’s win or nothing.
If he’s not going to push for the rest of the season….that says a lot more about him than the rules of the sport….and that fact that you are done watching says a lot about what type of fan you are…
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