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GuyB 1/31/2011 12:01am
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This just arrived in my in box...a portion of the Troy Lee Designs / Lucas Oil / Honda weekly PR...


In the main event, Travis started mid-pack and began working his way forward. Meanwhile, Cole suffered another bad start and was caught in a group of riders. While doubling one of the triples in traffic, Cole landed on a Tuff Block and damaged his rear brake system. Unfortunately, it would mean the end of Cole's night and he retired to the pits early.

"I felt confident going in after a win," said Cole. "Practice went well I felt strong and knew just like every weekend if I get a good start I could get on the podium. I have a lot of fire going into A2 and I can't wait to race!"
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Ddavis 1/31/2011 12:20am
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I think Cole Seely can do a "Jlaw" like comeback in the points and win A2 and San Diego, get good points before the break, and finish off the season with a Championship!
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mx918 1/31/2011 12:26am
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mx918 wrote:
Everyone here would be surprised at how people can adapt to having no brakes. When we go and do laps we will sometimes not use any...
Everyone here would be surprised at how people can adapt to having no brakes.

When we go and do laps we will sometimes not use any brakes at all and still come within a second of our fastest time. No joke. I didn't think it was possible until Bryan Mcdonald had us do it. Some people were even able to match there fastest time.

It involves adapting to the situation and using the bike and gearing to slow you down.
In my opinion, Seely should have finished the race.
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Thank you for coming on here and giving us your insight (a person that actually competed in the Oakland Supercross, and a person that has actually...
Thank you for coming on here and giving us your insight (a person that actually competed in the Oakland Supercross, and a person that has actually tried to ride a real Supercross at race speed using no brakes) on the situation. I thought Bryan was a little off his rocker when I heard about all the stuff he was having you guys practice. But when I saw the reults you guys got I was amazed. If any of Bryan's guys had that problem they would have been able to continue and not pose a safety threat to themselves or other riders. In some ways you privateers that Bryan trains are more prepared than the guys on the satellite teams.

In Cole's case he did what he thought was right. He probably had never even considered riding without brakes in practice and probably would not have adapted well under the circumstances.


I see a lot of people posting that it would be nice to have the pros get on here and give us some behind the scenes stuff. And then when they do some dumbass keyboard SX star can't wait to tell them that they don't know what they are talking about. That is why the pros do not want to get involved with this crap.
Thanks for the back-up Ron.
I don't like arguing unless I know I'm right.
If it was a simple malfunction of one brake, he should have salvaged the night and earned points. "Playing it safe" doesn't earn championships in this situation.
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4 pages over a brake lever.

Wow... You guys are intense.

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Didn't Justin brayton qualify out of Phoenix with a back break malfunction?

I had this same discussion with four or five people during the race who agreed he couldv'e salvaged points. I'm not saying he should be scrubbing or tripling anything, that's what the doubles are for! I'm sure Cole has the riding ability to do the doubles with out using his back brake?

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chillrich 1/31/2011 6:09am
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His mechanic didn't look too worried about trying to repair this, does that mean the lever was snapped off?I think he made a reasonable choice. Somehow he ended up with 1 point.
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BikeGraphixKC wrote:
DNF because of it? I understand how HARD it is to ride without brakes, but you have 2 brakes and engine braking. Why not salvage some...
DNF because of it? I understand how HARD it is to ride without brakes, but you have 2 brakes and engine braking. Why not salvage some points and race? Championships are won on bad days....

I'm not hating at all honestly, but it seriously seems like when these guys are making money, getting rides and all this and that they act all pre-madonna (sp?)... I just think some riders don't appreciate it as much as they claim and should...

Thought's?
GuyB wrote:
How about I'll get the real story in the morning? Oh, wait...that didn't stop four pages of speculation already. Wink
so the real story is exactly the same thing as what we have been talking about. Cool.
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GrapeApe 1/31/2011 7:00am
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There has to be more to the story. It is not hard to ride supercross with no rear brake at a safe and reasonable pace. Regis, you really don't think you could ride SX with no rear brake at a safe pace? That surprises me.
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blair125 1/31/2011 7:52am
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Slippery track plus the fact that SX is pretty gnarly with no rear brakes = smart decision. If he would have stayed out there he might have gotten 2-3 points max which does not salvage a Championship. Bummer deal for him and for the Troy Lee Guys but he did the right thing.
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Regis 1/31/2011 7:56am
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GrapeApe wrote:
There has to be more to the story. It is not hard to ride supercross with no rear brake at a safe and reasonable pace. Regis...
There has to be more to the story. It is not hard to ride supercross with no rear brake at a safe and reasonable pace. Regis, you really don't think you could ride SX with no rear brake at a safe pace? That surprises me.
I think if I were on a track, by myself and in my own world I could have (not can, could of) ridden a decent pace. That would be relatively easy. Just like these other guys are stating. I could never had scored points in a main though, I was trying hard with brakes just to make the main. Cole is on another level than any of us here has ever been, (except maybe one or two that come here) but even at that level you still need brakes.

Throw in all the variables of a main event and race conditions and I think there is no way to be competitive and safe without rear brakes. Cole has a whole season ahead of him.

the race is less than 15 minutes long. So, he lands on a tuff block, spends a 1/2 lap or lap trying to figure out what happened, or if he can ride, whips into the mechanics area to see if they can help, they determine they can't. Was it really worth the risk of riding around at that point? Could he really have caught anyone and passed anyone?

Look, I think it is great that there is a group of guys that spent some training riding without brakes to adapt after time but the brutal honesty is this was a main event at a SX and not a training excersize at the compound. We can debate that all day long, You need to compare apples to apples. Comparing these two situations is completely different and not even comparable IMHO.

Do you guys understand that if he were coming to a face of a triple , the finish or a rythm and another rider crossed in front of him he couldn't stop? What ? Grab a hand full of front brake and downshift.... Is that what you're telling me he should have been willing to do?

it is a crappy thing, a shitty situation to be in. but to question his heart and desire or for another rider to say they wish they were in his position and they would have stayed out is just foolish. It's a cheap shot at him.


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Regis 1/31/2011 8:05am
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blair125 wrote:
Slippery track plus the fact that SX is pretty gnarly with no rear brakes = smart decision. If he would have stayed out there he might...
Slippery track plus the fact that SX is pretty gnarly with no rear brakes = smart decision. If he would have stayed out there he might have gotten 2-3 points max which does not salvage a Championship. Bummer deal for him and for the Troy Lee Guys but he did the right thing.
Carefull Daniel... smart decision = you have no heart around here.

what do you know anyways? Woohoo Tongue
aFACEdismembered 1/31/2011 8:10am
1/31/2011 8:10am Edited Date/Time 1/31/2011 8:21am
I crashed at Ponca one year and broke my clutch lever on the first lap. That didn't stop me from running with the pack once I got going again 1 lap down. SX is a tad different but every point counts. It's SX, you never know who's going to crash out or take someone out. There is always a possibility for a top 15 if you just finish out the main doing the less complex rhythms.
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Regis 1/31/2011 8:13am
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
I crashed at Ponca one year and broke my clutch lever on the first lap. That didn't stop me from running with the pack once I...
I crashed at Ponca one year and broke my clutch lever on the first lap. That didn't stop me from running with the pack once I got going again 1 lap down. SX is a tad different but every point counts. It's SX, you never know who's going to crash out or take someone out. There is always a possibility for a top 15 if you just finish out the main doing the less complex rhythms.
oh, this is a very close comparison here. Clutch lever, Ponca Vs. Brake, SX.



Cole, you're on your own man. I can't be a fan of yours anymore.
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GrapeApe 1/31/2011 8:32am
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GrapeApe wrote:
There has to be more to the story. It is not hard to ride supercross with no rear brake at a safe and reasonable pace. Regis...
There has to be more to the story. It is not hard to ride supercross with no rear brake at a safe and reasonable pace. Regis, you really don't think you could ride SX with no rear brake at a safe pace? That surprises me.
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I think if I were on a track, by myself and in my own world I could have (not can, could of) ridden a decent pace...
I think if I were on a track, by myself and in my own world I could have (not can, could of) ridden a decent pace. That would be relatively easy. Just like these other guys are stating. I could never had scored points in a main though, I was trying hard with brakes just to make the main. Cole is on another level than any of us here has ever been, (except maybe one or two that come here) but even at that level you still need brakes.

Throw in all the variables of a main event and race conditions and I think there is no way to be competitive and safe without rear brakes. Cole has a whole season ahead of him.

the race is less than 15 minutes long. So, he lands on a tuff block, spends a 1/2 lap or lap trying to figure out what happened, or if he can ride, whips into the mechanics area to see if they can help, they determine they can't. Was it really worth the risk of riding around at that point? Could he really have caught anyone and passed anyone?

Look, I think it is great that there is a group of guys that spent some training riding without brakes to adapt after time but the brutal honesty is this was a main event at a SX and not a training excersize at the compound. We can debate that all day long, You need to compare apples to apples. Comparing these two situations is completely different and not even comparable IMHO.

Do you guys understand that if he were coming to a face of a triple , the finish or a rythm and another rider crossed in front of him he couldn't stop? What ? Grab a hand full of front brake and downshift.... Is that what you're telling me he should have been willing to do?

it is a crappy thing, a shitty situation to be in. but to question his heart and desire or for another rider to say they wish they were in his position and they would have stayed out is just foolish. It's a cheap shot at him.


I never questioned his heart or desire, just the assertion that he would not be able to hold a safe pace out there with no rear brakes. He wouldn't need to catch and pass anyone, just circulate at a safe pace, stay out of the way, and beat the DNF's. In this race it probably would have only netted him 2 additional points, but who knows there could have been 5 DNF's. He made the decision he made, and I'm not questioning it or challenging his manhood. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if there is more to the story other than his brakes didn't work.
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blair125 1/31/2011 9:23am
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blair125 wrote:
Slippery track plus the fact that SX is pretty gnarly with no rear brakes = smart decision. If he would have stayed out there he might...
Slippery track plus the fact that SX is pretty gnarly with no rear brakes = smart decision. If he would have stayed out there he might have gotten 2-3 points max which does not salvage a Championship. Bummer deal for him and for the Troy Lee Guys but he did the right thing.
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Carefull Daniel... smart decision = you have no heart around here.

what do you know anyways? Woohoo Tongue
haha no heart for sure. cause Cole of all people has no heart. funny huh?
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GuyB 1/31/2011 9:27am
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zookrider62! wrote:
so the real story is exactly the same thing as what we have been talking about. Cool.
Sorry, while I'm sure it's a fascinating topic, I didn't read the whole four pages on here. Wink

But I will note that there's a rather large difference between a brake lever (as in the topic title here) and a brake pedal.
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Chris_ONeal 1/31/2011 9:50am
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Did Travis Baker and Casey Hinson finish the race or DNF? If Baker and Hinson DNF'd, Cole could have putted around and gained some more points.
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BobbyM 1/31/2011 10:03am
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BikeGraphixKC wrote:
DNF because of it? I understand how HARD it is to ride without brakes, but you have 2 brakes and engine braking. Why not salvage some...
DNF because of it? I understand how HARD it is to ride without brakes, but you have 2 brakes and engine braking. Why not salvage some points and race? Championships are won on bad days....

I'm not hating at all honestly, but it seriously seems like when these guys are making money, getting rides and all this and that they act all pre-madonna (sp?)... I just think some riders don't appreciate it as much as they claim and should...

Thought's?
magoo woulda quit too....lol







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knowitalloveragainnovice 1/31/2011 10:04am
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Coles getting more press for his DNF than Roczen is getting after leading his first ever laps and scoring his best ever finish.

Afuhggenamaizing!
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BobbyM 1/31/2011 10:04am
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zookrider62! wrote:
so the real story is exactly the same thing as what we have been talking about. Cool.
GuyB wrote:
Sorry, while I'm sure it's a fascinating topic, I didn't read the whole four pages on here. ;) But I will note that there's a rather...
Sorry, while I'm sure it's a fascinating topic, I didn't read the whole four pages on here. Wink

But I will note that there's a rather large difference between a brake lever (as in the topic title here) and a brake pedal.
it wouldn't kill ya to side with a poster for once...Wink
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Weeks381fan 1/31/2011 10:09am
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captmoto wrote:
70% of braking is with the front brake. I think it would be tough to triple into some of those corners and live to tell about...
70% of braking is with the front brake. I think it would be tough to triple into some of those corners and live to tell about it. Should he just ride round out there as a lapper?
I think, and have always been taught, even braking makes for smooth riding. I do my braking before the corner, get seated correctly and start looking forward. I know lots of people teach you to drag the front brake in corners too though. Regardless I see no reason why he couldn't have picked up some points.
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karnivool 1/31/2011 10:10am
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TerryK wrote:
You guys obviously don't understand how important the rear brake is in SX.
disagree...he could have ridden around and stayed in the top 10...a brakeless Seely is better than half the field...

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Ddavis 1/31/2011 10:15am
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I think it was a smart decision on his part, yes he could have managed some points. BUT, it just wasn't meant to be. Everything happpens for a reason. Saturday night just wasn't his night.
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BobbyM 1/31/2011 10:16am
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they say it's all perception...and coles decision proves that.

reminds me of the cutler decision....kinda
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indy_maico 1/31/2011 11:49am
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I was wondering when someone would post that!

There is also a pic somewhere of Marty Tripes finishing a National after snapping his left hand footpeg off by simply standing on the engine cases.

Old school, baby.

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mxb2 1/31/2011 11:54am
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Show Seely the picture!
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riders of today are just to tender and spoiled . Laughing
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gotwings 1/31/2011 1:55pm
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TerryK wrote:
You guys obviously don't understand how important the rear brake is in SX.
You can't ride a Supercross track without a back brake. No if's, and's, or but's.Period. You won't make the corner that's 15 feet away from a third-gear triple landing.

Outdoors, maybe you could still go at it about 75-90% speed. So, I think he made the right choice. It would have been too dangerous for himself and others to continue.
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mx918 1/31/2011 8:13pm
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TerryK wrote:
You guys obviously don't understand how important the rear brake is in SX.
gotwings wrote:
You can't ride a Supercross track without a back brake. No if's, and's, or but's.Period. You won't make the corner that's 15 feet away from a...
You can't ride a Supercross track without a back brake. No if's, and's, or but's.Period. You won't make the corner that's 15 feet away from a third-gear triple landing.

Outdoors, maybe you could still go at it about 75-90% speed. So, I think he made the right choice. It would have been too dangerous for himself and others to continue.
You are sitting there lieing to yourself. I hate to bring this up from page three but I can't stand it. There's a group of 8 privateers or so that sometimes train by doing laps and sections without both brakes and clutch. Think that's impossible? ...if so you haven't challenged yourself lately. Challenges move people forward.

One reason we do this is so that we become comfortable with something that shouldn't feel comfortable. Then when we go back to normal laps, riding becomes 'easy'.

Don't tell yourself you can't do something until you try it first. I don't mean to come on here to be an argumenative prick, just trying to reason things with y'all.

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